Thursday, 2014-12-11

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DocScrutinizer05nobvody thought a cert could expire at 5:13:0706:55
DocScrutinizer05I just wonder why wait for revoc servers until using new cert? Would the new be invalid when old is not revoked yet?06:57
DocScrutinizer05((<lbt> grumble - they could make it midnight!)) when it's a unix timestamp, simply adding 365*24*60*60*$units_per_second constant is simpler ;-)06:59
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Sailor10686hello world!07:52
tbrmoo™07:57
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lbtDocScrutinizer05: https://forum.startcom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=265408:10
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DocScrutinizer05aaah >>One of the drawbacks is that newly generated certificates are not yet known to the responder and if the site is accessed before that a cached response about an unknown certificate remains<< so it's not about old cert expiring but about new cert propagating to OCSP server09:00
DocScrutinizer05lbt: TA09:01
lbtyep - time out was wrong - refresh would have been better09:02
DocScrutinizer05actually the term "revocation server" led me to think it's only holding a list of revoked certs. Seems it's also holding a list of valid certs, and a cert not listed is considered invalid09:05
lbt*nod* I'm not too familiar with them09:05
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DocScrutinizer05after two years maemo admin i'm done with this stuff ;-D My new box for neo900 business gets admin'ed by somebody else :-)09:08
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xavinuxhi people, how are you10:32
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IldarHello! Mer is alive?12:31
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tbryes, alive and kicking12:33
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IldarOk! Simpy I want to try it in qemu (https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out) but links is wrong (http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-nemo-handset-i586-testing-0.20111128.3.CE.2011-12-01.2-1.2.90.20111212.1054.iso) and last release is outdated (http://releases.merproject.org/releases/)12:37
tbrMer by itself is not a complete OS12:38
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tbryou are pointing to Nemo, which is a layer on top of Mer12:38
tbrthere are many such "layers": Nemo, SailfishOS, PlasmaActive, ...12:39
IldarThanks. I get it. I have one question more: Mer have GUI layer, or only linux kernel and utils?12:41
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tbrMer is a "core", it has mostly libraries12:41
tbrit doesn't even have a kernel, as that is something that a specific "Hardware Adaptation" needs to provide12:42
tbrMer itself will run on ARMv7, x86, AMD64 and maybe MIPS (not sure if the latter is maintained)12:43
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IldarOk, where I get source codes? Link http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb is bad12:45
tbrlbt, Stskeeps or sledges should be able to point you to the proper thing12:47
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tbrI guess it's a mix of mer gitlab and github12:49
tbrIldar: what are you trying to do, if I may ask?12:50
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IldarI want to create distro to my custom board and I need some desktop environment for sensor panel. At the moment I look narrowly to Plasma Active, Sailfish and Tizen.12:55
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IldarAnd I research other variants)12:56
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IldarMaybe you prompt me a good system?12:58
Ildar... and stable12:58
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tbrhard to say, qt/qml sure should be nice to make a sensor UI12:59
sledgessailfish ui is closed source..13:00
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tbrprobably could run just nemo and it's compositor and the sensor UI as the homescreen13:00
sledgesbut nemo doesn't have an up-to-date VM image to try out, though you could check its videos13:02
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tbrsomeone™ should make one :)13:02
sledgesalternatively. try out mauiOS (it has VM target), but plfiorini should enlighten more on its state and how to build a UI layer13:02
sledgesinstructions to generate an image of choosing: https://github.com/mauios/maui-kickstarter-configs/blob/master/README.md13:03
sledges(he's offline atm)13:03
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sledgesthey are all based on mer13:03
* tbr ponders, nemo x86 vm image or push service work13:03
sledgestbr: push (sic) DiosDelRayo ;)13:03
tbrhehe13:04
locusfits a not very dire need but it would be great if someone did upgrade the nemo vm image :)13:04
tbrshouldn't that be just a spin on IMG?13:04
DiosDelRayomoin13:04
tbrmoo13:04
sledgeslocusf: well it is a dire need in the sense of let others try before they buy ;)13:04
locusfsledges: true :)13:05
sledgestbr: i tried that, packages havoc13:05
locusftbr: the old images .ks files are a mess13:05
tbrah, ok, won't even try then13:05
sledgestbr: i got a half-way-baked .ks for it13:05
sledgeswell, only couple of packages , a man's hour or twp already in so;)13:05
locusfcan you share? please :) ?13:05
* tbr heads over to #sailfishos-push to ponder the push service then ;)13:05
sledgesgiving up so soon;)13:06
sledgeslocusf: yes sure13:06
sledgesprobably it's very close to working state13:06
locusfI've been so focused on the hadk nemo that I have completely forgotten about the x86 image :p13:07
sledgesi took faenil's n950 exploded .ks and adapted it to VM13:08
sledges(most recent .ks i could find grepping for pastebins in nemo channel:)13:08
locusfah13:08
locusfI gotta go, but I'll see your ping and try it out myself when I get back13:10
sledgesi'll paste it in #nemomobile13:10
sledgesdone13:11
IldarThank you for mauiOS link, but it is more suitable for Deskops, not for touch panels13:12
sledgesIldar: what made you think so? (i haven't looked into its makeup yet)13:12
Ildarand yes, Qt and QML is great for touch pads)13:13
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Ildarsledges: I see to screenshots (http://www.maui-project.org/screenshots/): it has large scroolbars, and small buttons. May be I was wrong13:17
sledgesbut probably you could have a minimal flavour of it and build your own single app13:17
sledgesusing bare Qt controls13:17
sledgeswhich brings me to:13:17
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sledgeshow about you use buildroot or Yocto and bake an image with minimal/available support for your hw13:18
sledgesstick Qt in there13:18
sledgesand you're done, if all you need is reading sensors13:18
sledgesand not worrying about making phonecalls etc:)13:19
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sledgesalso it will be the most compact solution13:19
sledgesi'd always go with buildroot for minimal embedded systems13:19
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IldarI am using Yocto and my main application was written on Qt and QML, but I don't want reinvent the wheel and write code for manipulation with system-wide functions (change date time, using calendar, file browser and so on)13:22
sledgesok, understand where you're coming from13:22
sledgesyou want an interactive device rather than an embedded board;)13:23
IldarPrecisely!)))13:25
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sledgesis your board running wayland (given yocto provides the glue)?13:25
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IldarYocto provides X11, wayland, fb, direct fb13:29
sledgesis there an android bsp for your board?13:31
StskeepsUninstall: ping13:33
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IldarYes, and I run my application (partially) on Android, but deploying app too long13:36
IldarSo, I want to try other variants13:38
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sledgesIldar: you need to provide your board's hardware adaptation for mer-based distros13:44
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IldarI think, is no problem, If documentation exists13:46
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sledgesIldar: documentation exists to adopt existing android adaptation and put sailfish or nemomobile on top, but it's promarily for existing cyanogenmod 10.1 ports13:54
sledgesyour android bsp is probably [stemmed] from aosp, so more work there, and also android version itself is important13:54
sledges(minimum jellybean iirc)13:54
Ildaroops)13:54
sledgesanother way is to have linuxy wayland up and running, but then it's more work to glue things up13:55
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IldarThank you all for your advices!14:08
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UninstallStskeeps: pong22:39
UninstallStskeeps: sorry, I was away all the day today22:40
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