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| DocScrutinizer05 | nobvody thought a cert could expire at 5:13:07 | 06:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I just wonder why wait for revoc servers until using new cert? Would the new be invalid when old is not revoked yet? | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<lbt> grumble - they could make it midnight!)) when it's a unix timestamp, simply adding 365*24*60*60*$units_per_second constant is simpler ;-) | 06:59 |
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| Sailor10686 | hello world! | 07:52 |
| tbr | moo™ | 07:57 |
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| lbt | DocScrutinizer05: https://forum.startcom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2654 | 08:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah >>One of the drawbacks is that newly generated certificates are not yet known to the responder and if the site is accessed before that a cached response about an unknown certificate remains<< so it's not about old cert expiring but about new cert propagating to OCSP server | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lbt: TA | 09:01 |
| lbt | yep - time out was wrong - refresh would have been better | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the term "revocation server" led me to think it's only holding a list of revoked certs. Seems it's also holding a list of valid certs, and a cert not listed is considered invalid | 09:05 |
| lbt | *nod* I'm not too familiar with them | 09:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | after two years maemo admin i'm done with this stuff ;-D My new box for neo900 business gets admin'ed by somebody else :-) | 09:08 |
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| xavinux | hi people, how are you | 10:32 |
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| Ildar | Hello! Mer is alive? | 12:31 |
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| tbr | yes, alive and kicking | 12:33 |
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| Ildar | Ok! Simpy I want to try it in qemu (https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out) but links is wrong (http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-nemo-handset-i586-testing-0.20111128.3.CE.2011-12-01.2-1.2.90.20111212.1054.iso) and last release is outdated (http://releases.merproject.org/releases/) | 12:37 |
| tbr | Mer by itself is not a complete OS | 12:38 |
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| tbr | you are pointing to Nemo, which is a layer on top of Mer | 12:38 |
| tbr | there are many such "layers": Nemo, SailfishOS, PlasmaActive, ... | 12:39 |
| Ildar | Thanks. I get it. I have one question more: Mer have GUI layer, or only linux kernel and utils? | 12:41 |
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| tbr | Mer is a "core", it has mostly libraries | 12:41 |
| tbr | it doesn't even have a kernel, as that is something that a specific "Hardware Adaptation" needs to provide | 12:42 |
| tbr | Mer itself will run on ARMv7, x86, AMD64 and maybe MIPS (not sure if the latter is maintained) | 12:43 |
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| Ildar | Ok, where I get source codes? Link http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb is bad | 12:45 |
| tbr | lbt, Stskeeps or sledges should be able to point you to the proper thing | 12:47 |
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| tbr | I guess it's a mix of mer gitlab and github | 12:49 |
| tbr | Ildar: what are you trying to do, if I may ask? | 12:50 |
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| Ildar | I want to create distro to my custom board and I need some desktop environment for sensor panel. At the moment I look narrowly to Plasma Active, Sailfish and Tizen. | 12:55 |
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| Ildar | And I research other variants) | 12:56 |
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| Ildar | Maybe you prompt me a good system? | 12:58 |
| Ildar | ... and stable | 12:58 |
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| tbr | hard to say, qt/qml sure should be nice to make a sensor UI | 12:59 |
| sledges | sailfish ui is closed source.. | 13:00 |
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| tbr | probably could run just nemo and it's compositor and the sensor UI as the homescreen | 13:00 |
| sledges | but nemo doesn't have an up-to-date VM image to try out, though you could check its videos | 13:02 |
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| tbr | someone™ should make one :) | 13:02 |
| sledges | alternatively. try out mauiOS (it has VM target), but plfiorini should enlighten more on its state and how to build a UI layer | 13:02 |
| sledges | instructions to generate an image of choosing: https://github.com/mauios/maui-kickstarter-configs/blob/master/README.md | 13:03 |
| sledges | (he's offline atm) | 13:03 |
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| sledges | they are all based on mer | 13:03 |
| * tbr ponders, nemo x86 vm image or push service work | 13:03 | |
| sledges | tbr: push (sic) DiosDelRayo ;) | 13:03 |
| tbr | hehe | 13:04 |
| locusf | its a not very dire need but it would be great if someone did upgrade the nemo vm image :) | 13:04 |
| tbr | shouldn't that be just a spin on IMG? | 13:04 |
| DiosDelRayo | moin | 13:04 |
| tbr | moo | 13:04 |
| sledges | locusf: well it is a dire need in the sense of let others try before they buy ;) | 13:04 |
| locusf | sledges: true :) | 13:05 |
| sledges | tbr: i tried that, packages havoc | 13:05 |
| locusf | tbr: the old images .ks files are a mess | 13:05 |
| tbr | ah, ok, won't even try then | 13:05 |
| sledges | tbr: i got a half-way-baked .ks for it | 13:05 |
| sledges | well, only couple of packages , a man's hour or twp already in so;) | 13:05 |
| locusf | can you share? please :) ? | 13:05 |
| * tbr heads over to #sailfishos-push to ponder the push service then ;) | 13:05 | |
| sledges | giving up so soon;) | 13:06 |
| sledges | locusf: yes sure | 13:06 |
| sledges | probably it's very close to working state | 13:06 |
| locusf | I've been so focused on the hadk nemo that I have completely forgotten about the x86 image :p | 13:07 |
| sledges | i took faenil's n950 exploded .ks and adapted it to VM | 13:08 |
| sledges | (most recent .ks i could find grepping for pastebins in nemo channel:) | 13:08 |
| locusf | ah | 13:08 |
| locusf | I gotta go, but I'll see your ping and try it out myself when I get back | 13:10 |
| sledges | i'll paste it in #nemomobile | 13:10 |
| sledges | done | 13:11 |
| Ildar | Thank you for mauiOS link, but it is more suitable for Deskops, not for touch panels | 13:12 |
| sledges | Ildar: what made you think so? (i haven't looked into its makeup yet) | 13:12 |
| Ildar | and yes, Qt and QML is great for touch pads) | 13:13 |
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| Ildar | sledges: I see to screenshots (http://www.maui-project.org/screenshots/): it has large scroolbars, and small buttons. May be I was wrong | 13:17 |
| sledges | but probably you could have a minimal flavour of it and build your own single app | 13:17 |
| sledges | using bare Qt controls | 13:17 |
| sledges | which brings me to: | 13:17 |
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| sledges | how about you use buildroot or Yocto and bake an image with minimal/available support for your hw | 13:18 |
| sledges | stick Qt in there | 13:18 |
| sledges | and you're done, if all you need is reading sensors | 13:18 |
| sledges | and not worrying about making phonecalls etc:) | 13:19 |
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| sledges | also it will be the most compact solution | 13:19 |
| sledges | i'd always go with buildroot for minimal embedded systems | 13:19 |
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| Ildar | I am using Yocto and my main application was written on Qt and QML, but I don't want reinvent the wheel and write code for manipulation with system-wide functions (change date time, using calendar, file browser and so on) | 13:22 |
| sledges | ok, understand where you're coming from | 13:22 |
| sledges | you want an interactive device rather than an embedded board;) | 13:23 |
| Ildar | Precisely!))) | 13:25 |
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| sledges | is your board running wayland (given yocto provides the glue)? | 13:25 |
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| Ildar | Yocto provides X11, wayland, fb, direct fb | 13:29 |
| sledges | is there an android bsp for your board? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: ping | 13:33 |
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| Ildar | Yes, and I run my application (partially) on Android, but deploying app too long | 13:36 |
| Ildar | So, I want to try other variants | 13:38 |
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| sledges | Ildar: you need to provide your board's hardware adaptation for mer-based distros | 13:44 |
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| Ildar | I think, is no problem, If documentation exists | 13:46 |
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| sledges | Ildar: documentation exists to adopt existing android adaptation and put sailfish or nemomobile on top, but it's promarily for existing cyanogenmod 10.1 ports | 13:54 |
| sledges | your android bsp is probably [stemmed] from aosp, so more work there, and also android version itself is important | 13:54 |
| sledges | (minimum jellybean iirc) | 13:54 |
| Ildar | oops) | 13:54 |
| sledges | another way is to have linuxy wayland up and running, but then it's more work to glue things up | 13:55 |
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| Ildar | Thank you all for your advices! | 14:08 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: sorry, I was away all the day today | 22:40 |
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