| sandsmark | how do I register? | 00:00 |
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| phaeron | ldap account same as bz I think | 00:00 |
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| M4rtinK | phaeron: yep, bz credentials work | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | phaeron: but is there anything ? | 00:03 |
| phaeron | https://git.merproject.org/explore/projects | 00:03 |
| sandsmark | https://git.merproject.org/groups/mer-core | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | oh, now I see a bunch | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | interesting :) | 00:04 |
| sandsmark | it's one project per package, or something? | 00:05 |
| phaeron | project == git repo | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | I used to check "whats new" in the old Gerrit instance | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK | so it is good to have a working replacement :) | 00:06 |
| sandsmark | ah, plfiorini has already created a merge request for cmake | 00:08 |
| * sandsmark strikes off list | 00:08 | |
| * plfiorini was summoned | 00:29 | |
| plfiorini | sandsmark, cmake 3.0 if i recall | 00:30 |
| sandsmark | yeah, the one in there already was a bit outdated :) | 00:31 |
| sandsmark | I'm learning OBS now to try to get karchive up | 00:31 |
| plfiorini | are you up to something cool? | 00:32 |
| sandsmark | I'm making a snapchat client for sailfish, and bundling my own AES implementation is ugly :p | 00:32 |
| sandsmark | and they also use zip files | 00:33 |
| plfiorini | cool | 00:33 |
| sandsmark | so it would be neat to get qca (to drop the aes implementation I have), and karchive to get the zipfiles working | 00:33 |
| plfiorini | ah it's the sexting application :) | 00:35 |
| sandsmark | haha, yes | 00:36 |
| sandsmark | people mostly use it as cheap throw-away MMSes here, though, not much sexting :/ | 00:36 |
| * plfiorini uses his jolla as plain old phone mostly | 00:37 | |
| w00t | sandsmark: oh, didn't know you had a jolla :) | 00:38 |
| sandsmark | I bought one a couple of months ago :D | 00:39 |
| w00t | cool | 00:39 |
| sandsmark | very happy with it so far | 00:39 |
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| sandsmark | now I just need to finish this client, so I can help beidl_ with the owncloud client :p | 00:45 |
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| sandsmark | [ 49s] CMake 2.8.12 or higher is required. You are running version 2.8.11.2 | 01:06 |
| sandsmark | nngh | 01:06 |
| sandsmark | (on api.merproject.org) | 01:10 |
| sandsmark | seems like 2.8.12.1 is the one in git.merproject.org? | 01:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: ping | 09:56 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: pong | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: did you ever build your stack with 4.9 yet? | 13:58 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: no | 13:58 |
| Uninstall | and we'll not switch to it | 13:58 |
| Uninstall | we are happy with linaro 2014.08 | 13:59 |
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| Uninstall | at the time of the last linaro release for gcc 4.9 it was quite buggy and it was breaking linux on amd64 | 13:59 |
| Uninstall | probably they have fixed all the issues, but it's not worth to spend any time on it | 14:00 |
| Uninstall | I would stick to a LTS approach with it, and I think that next time I will upgrade gcc will be for gcc 5.x when it will be available next year | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | okies | 14:01 |
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| Uninstall | gcc 4.8 with glibc 2.19 is a rather tested combination, and they are both part of Ubuntu 14.04 | 14:02 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: do you plan to upgrade it anyway? | 14:02 |
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| Stskeeps | well, port of reasons is that we're looking at a silvermont chipset, so | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | and a good time to look at toolchain upgrade now anyway, plus asan | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | but nothing decided yet | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | 4.8 might be good enough | 14:04 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: isn't the Nemo + Mer devel repo using 4.9 ? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | 4.8 | 14:04 |
| SK_work | ok | 14:04 |
| Uninstall | GCC now supports the new Intel microarchitecture named Silvermont through -march=silvermont | 14:06 |
| Uninstall | Intel AVX-512 support was added to GCC. That includes inline assembly support, new registers and extending existing ones, new intrinsics (covered by corresponding testsuite), and basic autovectorization. AVX-512 instructions are available via the following GCC switches: AVX-512 foundation instructions: -mavx512f, AVX-512 prefetch instructions: -mavx512pf, AVX-512 exponential and reciprocal instructions: -mavx512er, AVX-512 conflict detection | 14:06 |
| Uninstall | instructions: -mavx512cd. | 14:06 |
| Uninstall | I don't see any further new Intel instruction | 14:07 |
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| Stskeeps | it's out of order compared to in-order , so | 14:10 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: what you mean? | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | the cpu way of doing things so tunings change | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-order_execution | 14:11 |
| Uninstall | oh, I see what you mean | 14:13 |
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| Uninstall | in few points: | 14:15 |
| Uninstall | * no big changes for developers (C++11 has been introduced with gcc 4.8) | 14:15 |
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| Uninstall | * improved performances with silvermont (instruction reordering) | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, it doesn't hurt to test things against newer gcc's anyhow | 14:16 |
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| Stskeeps | nobody really uses binary deliveries, we all build ourselves | 14:16 |
| Uninstall | sure, it has been a bad idea to keep using 4.6 for so long at the time | 14:17 |
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| Uninstall | on the other had this means that you are not going to use something well tested as gcc 4.8 | 14:19 |
| sandsmark | gcc 4.6 is horrible... | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | let's see.. right now i'm finally stabilizing 4.8 | 14:20 |
| Uninstall | and honestly that's the thing that worries me mure more than any other thing | 14:20 |
| Uninstall | *much more | 14:21 |
| Uninstall | gcc 4.8 is also what is going to be used around in the embedded world | 14:22 |
| Uninstall | gcc 4.9 is still too young | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 14:23 |
| Uninstall | is this for sailfish 2? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, sailfish in general | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | we have one codeline | 14:24 |
| sandsmark | how in sync is sailfish kept with mer? if I read the git right, mer has cmake 2.8.12, but the sailfish obs couldn't find anything over 2.8.11 | 14:25 |
| sandsmark | (2.8.12 is required by all the new fancy kde libraries) | 14:25 |
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| Stskeeps | sandsmark: sometimes good sometimes bad | 14:26 |
| sandsmark | heh, ok | 14:26 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: by the way I would spend some more time into stabilizing the rpm update I was working on | 14:27 |
| Uninstall | and libzypper/zypper update too | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 14:29 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: we have an already good quality rpm4.10.2 and libzypp 12.16.3 | 14:29 |
| Uninstall | main issue with newer libzypp is mic | 14:30 |
| Uninstall | while rpm 4.10.2 is ok, it has to be tested | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok, but libzypp doesn't strictly speaking need newer rpM? | 14:30 |
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| Stskeeps | or reverse | 14:31 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: my update is meant to take the whole package stack from openSUSE 12.3 | 14:32 |
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| Uninstall | so rpm, libzypp and zypper versions match | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:34 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: can you see my old MR for them on gitlab? | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | bit of network issue here atm | 14:35 |
| Uninstall | if you don't I can commit them again | 14:35 |
| Uninstall | ok, zypper and libzypp is not there | 14:36 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/libzypp/merge_requests/1 | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and this one breaks mic? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, it says.. | 14:56 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: yes, or mic is old so some changes have to be backported from tizen one | 14:57 |
| Uninstall | or it has to be manually patched... | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: phaeron: do we want to look into getting a more modern libzypp + updates for mic ? | 14:58 |
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| phaeron | yay more work :D | 14:58 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: yes, but needs some investigation as it has the potential to horribly break our updates | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 14:59 |
| phaeron | new bindings too | 14:59 |
| phaeron | would be needed | 14:59 |
| Aard | basically, the latest version of zypper does patterns the right way, how we thought 2 years ago patterns should be done, and tried to emulate it in packagekit :) | 14:59 |
| phaeron | ah but also observes file conflicts | 15:00 |
| Uninstall | Aard: this one is not the latest version | 15:02 |
| Uninstall | it's just newer than the one we have | 15:02 |
| Uninstall | if you ask me why that version the reason it's quite simple: really stable (it has been out for a while) and it should require the minimum ammount of changes to keep everything working | 15:08 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/zypper/merge_requests/1 | 15:25 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/rpm/merge_requests/1 | 15:25 |
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