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| hooboomk | hi, I still have a N800 and wanted to do something useful with it, running mer is at the top of my wishlist, how crazy/impossible would that be? | 01:05 |
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| juliusaugustus_ | Hello | 08:01 |
| juliusaugustus_ | Is this the IRC for the MER project? | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | hello | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | it is for the mer core, yes | 08:02 |
| juliusaugustus_ | Fantastic! | 08:02 |
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| juliusaugustus_ | In my view it would be of benefit to both projects if Tizen and Mer were to be merged or shared more components with each other. | 08:05 |
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| Stskeeps | that may be so, but in practice when the chance was to do so, tizen closed down development totally, emerged with a debian base, and then re-emerged with a meego/rpm-ish base | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | it wasn't a practical direction in practice | 08:06 |
| juliusaugustus_ | There was a chance to do so? | 08:06 |
| tbr | yes | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | it was even part of our original goals | 08:07 |
| juliusaugustus_ | EFL could be incorporated into MER and QT incorporated into Tizen. | 08:07 |
| tbr | but big_corp train crash integration rarely goes well with community driven efforts | 08:07 |
| tbr | there is Qt-for-tizen | 08:08 |
| tbr | also it's part of their IVI AFAIU | 08:08 |
| tbr | and building EFL for Mer shouldn't be hard either | 08:08 |
| juliusaugustus_ | Then that would solve most of application incompatibility between the two. | 08:10 |
| tbr | I very much doubt that | 08:11 |
| juliusaugustus_ | With proper tools applications could be easily made to run on both platforms. | 08:12 |
| tbr | you'd need to achieve full compliance with their test suite for a reasonably good chance at not breaking things | 08:12 |
| tbr | that's more than EFL, much more | 08:13 |
| juliusaugustus_ | fair enough | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | in practice a merge isn't sane; and it took way too long for tizen to work in a open source manner | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | decent idea, but not practically sane | 08:15 |
| juliusaugustus_ | I guess the two projects serve different purposes. | 08:16 |
| tbr | one is driven by two megacorps with no interest in the details of open source community, the other is being driven by the open source community. polar opposites. | 08:16 |
| tbr | when during ELCE I brought up the topic of community hardware adaptations and trademark problems, the answer was essentially, that there is no community around tizen, so there is nothing to discuss. Frankly I have to agree with that. | 08:17 |
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| juliusaugustus_ | That is too bad, I guess I will just let evolution play itself out here. | 08:18 |
| alterego | There's always HTML5 :) | 08:18 |
| juliusaugustus_ | Pretty much every os has that to a certain degree. | 08:19 |
| tbr | on the other hand you have mer based mobile operating systems like sailfish. There is a strong community push for porting it to other hardware then the reference device. | 08:19 |
| juliusaugustus_ | I know Tizen has been ported to various devices. | 08:20 |
| alterego | I'd be interested to know how many and to what extent. :) | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, it'll all level out with stuff like crosswalk runtime, where it makes less difference where things run on.. | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | and if people work upstream, stufff like mer and tizen is integration and packaging | 08:22 |
| juliusaugustus_ | webapps/HTML5 and native apps serve different in purposes in my view, so I don't share the webapps/HTML5 will replace everything world view. | 08:23 |
| tbr | I've played with FirefoxOS and share that view | 08:23 |
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| juliusaugustus_ | Too many benefits to native apps to give them, so no. | 08:24 |
| tbr | juliusaugustus_: yes, but if you look closer you'll probably see that that's system integrators with a marketing agenda, or people trying to score a job with one of them. | 08:24 |
| tbr | or I remember someone who did it for a thesis | 08:25 |
| alterego | juliusaugustus_: I think those lines are getting smaller and more blurred, HTML5 makes it very possible to create very rich apps now-a-days. | 08:28 |
| alterego | Not that I think it's a great app development platform, I've never been massively into XML based app development languages ;) (XAML) | 08:28 |
| juliusaugustus_ | handling large amounts of data is a pain with cloud or HTML5 apps. | 08:29 |
| alterego | Who handles significant'y large datasets on mobile? :) | 08:29 |
| juliusaugustus_ | games do | 08:31 |
| alterego | Also, wouldn't it make more sense handling large datasets on the cloud ;) | 08:31 |
| alterego | More processing power, etc. | 08:31 |
| alterego | Well, this is where I think HTML5 is probably good, for games, with WebGL, etc, etc. | 08:31 |
| alterego | I've seen some really beautiful and amazing WebGL game demos. | 08:32 |
| juliusaugustus_ | there is also the issue of internet access, I like not having to constantly have internet connection. | 08:32 |
| alterego | That's why HTML5 apps have local storage and that app installation stuff for offline mode. ;) | 08:33 |
| alterego | Obviously doesn't work in all circumstances, but certainly for your basic to mid-range application complexity and certainly for games, unless they're multiplayer with WebSockets or something. | 08:34 |
| juliusaugustus_ | there are limitations there as well. | 08:34 |
| alterego | Hah, indeed. There are always limitations though, we're mobile! : | 08:34 |
| alterego | :P | 08:34 |
| juliusaugustus_ | that is why I like full GNU/Linux to get past those limitations. | 08:35 |
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| alterego | tbh, I'm just happy with Qt and the ability to build and package shared libs. Having a device with a full standard linux stack is only interesting to me from a hacker perspective. Being able to use proper SSH, poke around the rootfs in a very familiar way, etc, etc. :) | 08:38 |
| alterego | Oh, and being able to hack together startup scripts or whatever I want in a familiar way. | 08:38 |
| alterego | I'm sure all of this stuff is potentially plausible on other mobile OSes too, though I suspect much harder. | 08:38 |
| juliusaugustus_ | I shall be departing, see yall later! | 08:43 |
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| Stskeeps | wat | 16:32 |
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| tbr | campos: mind stopping that nick spam | 16:35 |
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| timoph | sigh | 16:42 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: mind doing the honours? | 16:43 |
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