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hooboomkhi, I still have a N800 and wanted to do something useful with it, running mer is at the top of my wishlist, how crazy/impossible would that be?01:05
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juliusaugustus_Hello08:01
juliusaugustus_Is this the IRC for the MER project?08:02
Stskeepshello08:02
Stskeepsit is for the mer core, yes08:02
juliusaugustus_Fantastic!08:02
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juliusaugustus_In my view it would be of benefit to both projects if Tizen and Mer were to be merged or shared more components with each other.08:05
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Stskeepsthat may be so, but in practice when the chance was to do so, tizen closed down development totally, emerged with a debian base, and then re-emerged with a meego/rpm-ish base08:05
Stskeepsit wasn't a practical direction in practice08:06
juliusaugustus_There was a chance to do so?08:06
tbryes08:07
Stskeepsit was even part of our original goals08:07
juliusaugustus_EFL could be incorporated into MER and QT incorporated into Tizen.08:07
tbrbut big_corp train crash integration rarely goes well with community driven efforts08:07
tbrthere is Qt-for-tizen08:08
tbralso it's part of their IVI AFAIU08:08
tbrand building EFL for Mer shouldn't be hard either08:08
juliusaugustus_Then that would solve most of application incompatibility between the two.08:10
tbrI very much doubt that08:11
juliusaugustus_With proper tools applications could be easily made to run on both platforms.08:12
tbryou'd need to achieve full compliance with their test suite for a reasonably good chance at not breaking things08:12
tbrthat's more than EFL, much more08:13
juliusaugustus_fair enough08:14
Stskeepsin practice a merge isn't sane; and it took way too long for tizen to work in a open source manner08:15
Stskeepsdecent idea, but not practically sane08:15
juliusaugustus_I guess the two projects serve different purposes.08:16
tbrone is driven by two megacorps with no interest in the details of open source community, the other is being driven by the open source community. polar opposites.08:16
tbrwhen during ELCE I brought up the topic of community hardware adaptations and trademark problems, the answer was essentially, that there is no community around tizen, so there is nothing to discuss. Frankly I have to agree with that.08:17
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juliusaugustus_That is too bad, I guess I will just let evolution play itself out here.08:18
alteregoThere's always HTML5 :)08:18
juliusaugustus_Pretty much every os has that to a certain degree.08:19
tbron the other hand you have mer based mobile operating systems like sailfish. There is a strong community push for porting it to other hardware then the reference device.08:19
juliusaugustus_I know Tizen has been ported to various devices.08:20
alteregoI'd be interested to know how many and to what extent. :)08:20
Stskeepsanyhow, it'll all level out with stuff like crosswalk runtime, where it makes less difference where things run on..08:22
Stskeepsand if people work upstream, stufff like mer and tizen is integration and packaging08:22
juliusaugustus_webapps/HTML5 and native apps serve different in purposes in my view, so I don't share the webapps/HTML5 will replace everything world view.08:23
tbrI've played with FirefoxOS and share that view08:23
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juliusaugustus_Too many benefits to native apps to give them, so no.08:24
tbrjuliusaugustus_: yes, but if you look closer you'll probably see that that's system integrators with a marketing agenda, or people trying to score a job with one of them.08:24
tbror I remember someone who did it for a thesis08:25
alteregojuliusaugustus_: I think those lines are getting smaller and more blurred, HTML5 makes it very possible to create very rich apps now-a-days.08:28
alteregoNot that I think it's a great app development platform, I've never been massively into XML based app development languages ;) (XAML)08:28
juliusaugustus_handling large amounts of data is a pain with cloud or HTML5 apps.08:29
alteregoWho handles significant'y large datasets on mobile? :)08:29
juliusaugustus_games do08:31
alteregoAlso, wouldn't it make more sense handling large datasets on the cloud ;)08:31
alteregoMore processing power, etc.08:31
alteregoWell, this is where I think HTML5 is probably good, for games, with WebGL, etc, etc.08:31
alteregoI've seen some really beautiful and amazing WebGL game demos.08:32
juliusaugustus_there is also the issue of internet access, I like not having to constantly have internet connection.08:32
alteregoThat's why HTML5 apps have local storage and that app installation stuff for offline mode. ;)08:33
alteregoObviously doesn't work in all circumstances, but certainly for your basic to mid-range application complexity and certainly for games, unless they're multiplayer with WebSockets or something.08:34
juliusaugustus_there are limitations there as well.08:34
alteregoHah, indeed. There are always limitations though, we're mobile! :08:34
alterego:P08:34
juliusaugustus_that is why I like full GNU/Linux to get past those limitations.08:35
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alteregotbh, I'm just happy with Qt and the ability to build and package shared libs. Having a device with a full standard linux stack is only interesting to me from a hacker perspective. Being able to use proper SSH, poke around the rootfs in a very familiar way, etc, etc. :)08:38
alteregoOh, and being able to hack together startup scripts or whatever I want in a familiar way.08:38
alteregoI'm sure all of this stuff is potentially plausible on other mobile OSes too, though I suspect much harder.08:38
juliusaugustus_I shall be departing, see yall later!08:43
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