Tuesday, 2014-11-11

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lubkohi!08:10
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lubkodownloaded some nemo image to my n9, run zypper up. noticed the systemd is of version 187 and some other components are rather old08:14
lubkoi'm wondering if there's some more recent repository that I can enable to get more up-to-date packages?08:15
lubkoi don't actually care about the thing actually working too much :)08:15
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stephglubko: best ask in #nemomobile, but there are newer n9 nemo images08:23
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adriano__#qt11:57
adriano__HI12:00
adriano__someone know how to use Dbus on Mer ?12:00
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silver_hookis there a list of what works on Jolla?18:29
silver_hooki.e. what do I lose if i flash Mer/Nemo on a Jolla?18:29
silver_hookalso, what are the options of running Mer/Nemo and SailfishOS in parallel?18:30
locusfyou want pure Mer or Nemo?18:30
locusfI've been trying to figure it out but nothing to show progress for so far18:31
silver_hookNemo, i guess ...i imagine pure Mer is the base system ans18:34
locusfyep18:34
silver_hookand Nemo includes all the UI and other app stuff needed for a phone.18:34
locusfindeed18:34
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silver_hookSo Nemo on Jolla ...what's missing?18:35
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locusfa lot18:36
locusfwe don't have a working dialer, no messages, no browser18:37
locusfand nothing working at the moment and no way to flash it :)18:37
silver_hookbrowser? didnt jolla release its browsre as free software yet?18:38
silver_hooki was just reading about glacier and was quite hopeful ... :/18:39
locusfyeah but the engine doesn't build in the mer+nemo merged repository18:39
locusfgecko engine to be exact18:39
plfioriniwhat about cutefox, same issue?18:39
locusfyep18:39
plfiorini:(18:39
plfiorinilocusf, does it make sense to port it to qtwebengine?18:40
locusfplfiorini: I dunno, haven't looked into it18:41
silver_hookwhy doesnt it buld thoufh? that is odd...18:41
locusfthere are lenghty discussions among faenil and rozhkov_ in nemomobile irc logs about it not building18:41
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locusf+ mer doesn't apparently have qtwebengine18:45
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locusfand don't lose all hope, Nemo has a future in other libhybris adaptations :)18:46
locusfeven if Jolla doesn't turn out to be a fruitful platform (we don't know yet!)18:46
silver_hookbut since jolla is heavil based on mer and nemo - and even advocates that - it would be an awful shame if it wasnt a fruitful platform for it :/18:49
locusfsure18:50
silver_hookis it at least possible to gradually replace components on SailfishOS with Nemo? (e.g. )18:52
silver_hook(e.g. the UI for Glacier/Lipstik, etc)18:52
locusfthe homescreen already is replaceable18:53
plfiorinilocusf, imho sailfish is a nice OS the only problem is the price for a phone that's not super new18:54
plfiorinihope it gets the attention it deserves18:56
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locusfwell its not trivial to create a libhybris adaptation from the ground up and have every hardware feature available19:03
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silver_hookright, but how much does jolla.contrubute back to mer and nemo?19:18
locusfa whole lot19:19
locusfyou could see how much code they contribute if you were a nemomobile developer in the github group19:19
silver_hookcool that is nice to hear :)19:29
silver_hooknow that the tohkbd is out, can that work directly in mer or need the drivers be19:30
silver_hooksailfishos specific?19:30
silver_hook(sorry for breaklines, irc on a software kbd on mz n9 is not fun)19:31
ali1234the drivers won't be sailfish only19:47
ali1234TOH is just some i2c pogopins19:47
ali1234worst case, someone could write a driver for it in a few hours19:48
silver_hookali1234: that'd be supercool :)19:48
ali1234it's not like trying to reverse engineer a GPU driver or something, it's far simpler19:49
ali1234i doubt any of that will be necessary though19:50
silver_hookyay! i want to try running fully free software on it19:51
locusfyeah freeTOH sounds nice19:51
silver_hooki knkw that is not easily achievable (even ignoring drivers and firmware), but not trying gets us nowhere :p19:52
locusfvery true19:52
silver_hooki would love to be able to dual boot between sailfish and nemo ...not yet likely, eh?19:53
locusfyep19:53
locusfbut who knows19:54
locusfthe bootloader is unlockable19:54
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silver_hookbut individual apps and daemons are easily replacable?19:56
locusfdepends on app :)19:57
silver_hooke.v.19:58
silver_hooke.g.?19:58
locusfI dunno :p19:59
locusfmaps?19:59
silver_hookthere are poor maps, right?19:59
silver_hookor is it hard to remove here maps?20:00
locusfyeah well qmlmaps exists20:00
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plfiorinilocusf, does it use OSM maps?20:05
locusfplfiorini: no idea20:16
locusfits based on Nokia maps component20:17
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile/qmlmaps20:17
silver_hookthere was marble, that used also osm, but no idea if anyone maintains a mer port20:21
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Morpog_PCsilver_hook, you don't need to insatll here maps at all20:42
Morpog_PCsailfish only comes with a few core apps, rest of Jolla apps are in jolla store. So you decide if you need them or not20:42
Morpog_PCthey are not pre installed20:43
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silver_hookmorpog_pc: niiiiceee :)21:08
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