Monday, 2014-04-14

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JvD_Stskeeps: Just out of curiosity. Can you open shortly about reasons why to switch to gitlab? I mean in what way it is better tool to take care of reviews?05:44
phaeronJvD_: it's the only git self hosted tool that has features like github. do you know of any others ?05:45
JvD_no I don't05:46
JvD_thanks05:47
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StskeepsJvD_: well, what phaeron said; in practice, it doesn't work very nicely, has seperate SSO from rest of project, multiple commits are a hassle, and adds to the pile of different systems between mer/nemo/sailfish etc06:02
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Stskeepsit just ended up feeling clumsy and very often crashed on the repositories we have06:04
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JvD_so multiple commits are easier to handle with a gitlab06:05
Stskeepsyeah, typical merge request stuff06:06
JvD_yep06:06
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tbrgitlab has decent LDAP support. sometimes a bit quirky but it works. We use it internally too.06:20
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StskeepsUninstall: would you be interested in helping to see what features would break with updated systemd?13:19
Stskeepswe excersised similar caution for a very long while, hence why systemd is like it is in mer atm13:19
UninstallStskeeps: there are some missing features that prevent systemd behaving correctly. I didn't run any significant test or investigation and I don't know if this can be fixed13:20
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Stskeeps:nod:13:21
Stskeepsi think that's really systemd's biggest problem13:21
Stskeepsthat they're running too fast compared with how mobile devices go13:21
UninstallStskeeps: anyway I would like to spend some time on it, but now I'm quite busy with some work on other stuff13:21
Stskeepsnod13:21
Stskeepswhat kits in particular, ooi?13:22
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UninstallStskeeps: I have to update rpm soon and try to update zypper too13:22
UninstallStskeeps: we have identified a set of packages we want to freeze as soon as possible, so we are going to do some version upgrades13:23
Stskeepsnod13:23
UninstallStskeeps: as you can see there are already some reviews on gerrit about that13:23
Stskeepsyes, will be merging them as soon as i can13:23
UninstallStskeeps: the set of packages is what is required to build the set itself13:24
UninstallStskeeps: systemd is part of the set too but it doesn't retrigger everything like other packages do ;)13:25
Stskeepsdistribution jenga13:26
UninstallStskeeps: http://paste.kde.org/prdiadwzp/vatvdk13:26
UninstallStskeeps: yeah, exacltly13:26
UninstallStskeeps: this is the list of packages which I'm talking about13:26
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Stskeepsbut anyway, freezing on a 'vendor' side should be a matter of copying _service files atm13:26
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UninstallStskeeps: well, I was talking about our priorities right now ;)13:28
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Stskeepsnod13:28
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StskeepsUninstall: how does your product development cycle look anyway, you go into a freeze state now for key packages and then cherrypick for a given future release?13:45
Stskeepsjust to understand systemd challeng13:45
Stskeepse13:45
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UninstallStskeeps: yes, freeze and cheerrypick14:01
Stskeepsok14:02
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UninstallStskeeps: have you ever seen this:14:07
Uninstall/usr/share/misc/magic, 10031: Warning: New continuation level 3 is more than one larger than current level 114:07
Uninstall/usr/share/misc/magic, 13536: Warning: New continuation level 3 is more than one larger than current level 114:07
Uninstall?14:07
Stskeepssb2? make sure your file on host and target side is aligned14:07
Stskeeps'file' being file package14:08
UninstallStskeeps: it has been updated yesterday14:08
Uninstallwhat I need to do to make it work again?14:08
Stskeepsis this in sdk, or in obs14:09
Stskeepsand with an arm build, right14:09
UninstallOBS with arm and mipsel builds14:10
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Stskeepsok, if your file from x86 got rebuilt, and sb2-tools-arm* too got rebuilt cos of that; then just osc rebuild the failign package14:10
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Uninstallok, I'll try that14:16
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StskeepsAgenda for tomorrow's meeting: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/003915.html14:30
UninstallStskeeps: ok, thank you14:32
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BostikStskeeps, lbt, w00t: reading through the RFC opening - going towards a "bit more like BSD" component selection is a sensible choice indeed19:38
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CosmoHillcyas21:38
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Shingetsuhello mer! I'm wondering, but do you guys actually have some form of communication with the libhybris guys?23:26
wmaroneStskeeps created it, so...23:28
wmaroneyeah I think so :)23:28
Shingetsudidn't morphis make it?23:30
Shingetsuor am I confusing things?23:30
wmaroneprobably23:30
ShingetsuI was wondering unto why they expose glibc, when musl would work much better on Bionic devices23:30
Shingetsuas it seems to me anyway23:30
wmaronemer (and Sailfish OS) are based around a LSB stack, which uses glibc23:31
Shingetsuwmarone, is it specific to glibc? musl is pretty much feature-equivalent23:32
Shingetsu(unless you're using some really out-there stuff)23:32
ShingetsuI'm not familiar with LSB23:32
wmaronethe LSB specifies glibc specifically23:33
Shingetsuyou mean least significant bit?23:34
wmaronenpo23:34
Shingetsumhm23:34
wmaroneLinux Standard Base: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base23:34
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wmaronegranted it's not a strict adoption, seeing as how it omits gtk+23:35
Shingetsuooh that's interesting23:35
Shingetsuwell SFOS is using Qt anyway23:35
wmaroneyup23:35
Shingetsufrom what I know it can work on musl, I don't see it using anything glibc specific, just not manyu people know about uclibc/musl23:36
Shingetsuit'd be interesting to try and get LBS unto musl tho23:37
Shingetsuthough the goals of LBS and glibc are similar anyway (lbs just takes it further)23:37
Shingetsuhmm23:37
ShingetsuI don't see why LSB wouldn't work under it, considering desktops run fine with it replacing glibc23:38
Shingetsumusl _is_ aiming to become a new standard libc for *nix23:38
Shingetsuhttp://www.musl-libc.org/23:38
Shingetsu(and more importantly http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html)23:39
ShingetsuAHA found it23:39
Shingetsumusl is LSB compatible, but is lacking a couple of features23:39
Shingetsubut it's on the way23:39
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