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| JvD_ | Stskeeps: Just out of curiosity. Can you open shortly about reasons why to switch to gitlab? I mean in what way it is better tool to take care of reviews? | 05:44 |
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| phaeron | JvD_: it's the only git self hosted tool that has features like github. do you know of any others ? | 05:45 |
| JvD_ | no I don't | 05:46 |
| JvD_ | thanks | 05:47 |
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| Stskeeps | JvD_: well, what phaeron said; in practice, it doesn't work very nicely, has seperate SSO from rest of project, multiple commits are a hassle, and adds to the pile of different systems between mer/nemo/sailfish etc | 06:02 |
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| Stskeeps | it just ended up feeling clumsy and very often crashed on the repositories we have | 06:04 |
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| JvD_ | so multiple commits are easier to handle with a gitlab | 06:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, typical merge request stuff | 06:06 |
| JvD_ | yep | 06:06 |
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| tbr | gitlab has decent LDAP support. sometimes a bit quirky but it works. We use it internally too. | 06:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: would you be interested in helping to see what features would break with updated systemd? | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | we excersised similar caution for a very long while, hence why systemd is like it is in mer atm | 13:19 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: there are some missing features that prevent systemd behaving correctly. I didn't run any significant test or investigation and I don't know if this can be fixed | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | i think that's really systemd's biggest problem | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | that they're running too fast compared with how mobile devices go | 13:21 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: anyway I would like to spend some time on it, but now I'm quite busy with some work on other stuff | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | what kits in particular, ooi? | 13:22 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I have to update rpm soon and try to update zypper too | 13:22 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: we have identified a set of packages we want to freeze as soon as possible, so we are going to do some version upgrades | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 13:23 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: as you can see there are already some reviews on gerrit about that | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | yes, will be merging them as soon as i can | 13:23 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: the set of packages is what is required to build the set itself | 13:24 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: systemd is part of the set too but it doesn't retrigger everything like other packages do ;) | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | distribution jenga | 13:26 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: http://paste.kde.org/prdiadwzp/vatvdk | 13:26 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: yeah, exacltly | 13:26 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: this is the list of packages which I'm talking about | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | but anyway, freezing on a 'vendor' side should be a matter of copying _service files atm | 13:26 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: well, I was talking about our priorities right now ;) | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: how does your product development cycle look anyway, you go into a freeze state now for key packages and then cherrypick for a given future release? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | just to understand systemd challeng | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | e | 13:45 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: yes, freeze and cheerrypick | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:02 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: have you ever seen this: | 14:07 |
| Uninstall | /usr/share/misc/magic, 10031: Warning: New continuation level 3 is more than one larger than current level 1 | 14:07 |
| Uninstall | /usr/share/misc/magic, 13536: Warning: New continuation level 3 is more than one larger than current level 1 | 14:07 |
| Uninstall | ? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | sb2? make sure your file on host and target side is aligned | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | 'file' being file package | 14:08 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: it has been updated yesterday | 14:08 |
| Uninstall | what I need to do to make it work again? | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | is this in sdk, or in obs | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | and with an arm build, right | 14:09 |
| Uninstall | OBS with arm and mipsel builds | 14:10 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, if your file from x86 got rebuilt, and sb2-tools-arm* too got rebuilt cos of that; then just osc rebuild the failign package | 14:10 |
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| Uninstall | ok, I'll try that | 14:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Agenda for tomorrow's meeting: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/003915.html | 14:30 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: ok, thank you | 14:32 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps, lbt, w00t: reading through the RFC opening - going towards a "bit more like BSD" component selection is a sensible choice indeed | 19:38 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 21:38 |
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| Shingetsu | hello mer! I'm wondering, but do you guys actually have some form of communication with the libhybris guys? | 23:26 |
| wmarone | Stskeeps created it, so... | 23:28 |
| wmarone | yeah I think so :) | 23:28 |
| Shingetsu | didn't morphis make it? | 23:30 |
| Shingetsu | or am I confusing things? | 23:30 |
| wmarone | probably | 23:30 |
| Shingetsu | I was wondering unto why they expose glibc, when musl would work much better on Bionic devices | 23:30 |
| Shingetsu | as it seems to me anyway | 23:30 |
| wmarone | mer (and Sailfish OS) are based around a LSB stack, which uses glibc | 23:31 |
| Shingetsu | wmarone, is it specific to glibc? musl is pretty much feature-equivalent | 23:32 |
| Shingetsu | (unless you're using some really out-there stuff) | 23:32 |
| Shingetsu | I'm not familiar with LSB | 23:32 |
| wmarone | the LSB specifies glibc specifically | 23:33 |
| Shingetsu | you mean least significant bit? | 23:34 |
| wmarone | npo | 23:34 |
| Shingetsu | mhm | 23:34 |
| wmarone | Linux Standard Base: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base | 23:34 |
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| wmarone | granted it's not a strict adoption, seeing as how it omits gtk+ | 23:35 |
| Shingetsu | ooh that's interesting | 23:35 |
| Shingetsu | well SFOS is using Qt anyway | 23:35 |
| wmarone | yup | 23:35 |
| Shingetsu | from what I know it can work on musl, I don't see it using anything glibc specific, just not manyu people know about uclibc/musl | 23:36 |
| Shingetsu | it'd be interesting to try and get LBS unto musl tho | 23:37 |
| Shingetsu | though the goals of LBS and glibc are similar anyway (lbs just takes it further) | 23:37 |
| Shingetsu | hmm | 23:37 |
| Shingetsu | I don't see why LSB wouldn't work under it, considering desktops run fine with it replacing glibc | 23:38 |
| Shingetsu | musl _is_ aiming to become a new standard libc for *nix | 23:38 |
| Shingetsu | http://www.musl-libc.org/ | 23:38 |
| Shingetsu | (and more importantly http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html) | 23:39 |
| Shingetsu | AHA found it | 23:39 |
| Shingetsu | musl is LSB compatible, but is lacking a couple of features | 23:39 |
| Shingetsu | but it's on the way | 23:39 |
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