Tuesday, 2014-02-11

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rcgmorning08:48
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sledgesmoin!09:28
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rcg:D09:36
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tbrlbt_ Stskeeps - please check and ack Thilo's picture post on G+10:36
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Stskeepstbr: i'm not sure which one you're referring to?10:38
Stskeepsah10:38
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lbt_?10:39
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tbrlbt: https://plus.google.com/u/1/102813492714620417611/posts/4p8WXD7JZMk10:40
StskeepsACK'ed10:40
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Stskeepsthat's surprisingily good photo of me10:40
tbrtnx10:40
tbr:)10:40
Stskeepslbt: we're starting to look old.10:41
lbt*sigh* I think I should attribute it to "Mer grey"10:42
Stskeepsnow vs https://plus.google.com/photos?pid=5674851345735773362&oid=11226616428167085085610:45
Stskeeps:P10:45
lbtyeah - much more flattering - but less realistic :D10:47
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zuhOh, I was wondering how you guys exchange ideas; according to that picture "sync through wire"11:53
Stskeepstelepathy framework got integrated since11:53
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rcgvgrade, ping16:59
rcgor anyone else who has experience with mer on the raspberry pi16:59
rcgis there a way to use the hdmi output?16:59
rcgif yes, how?16:59
rcgvideo output, i.e.17:00
rcgor at least, what would be the places to look in17:00
rcgwell, nevermind17:05
rcgit works out of the box17:05
rcgapparently, the sd card adapter was funky17:05
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vgrade:)18:08
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vgradercg: sorry I missed your ping, looks like you worked it out20:07
rcgvgrade, yeah, it was my sd card adapter that was funky20:08
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rcgthanks for checking back :)20:08
CosmoHillhi vgrade and rcg20:08
CosmoHillvgrade: how's the floods?20:08
rcgthis was actually the first time i booted up a raspberry pi :)20:09
rcghey CosmoHill20:09
vgradeCosmoHill: still above water here20:10
vgradewhat about you20:10
CosmoHillnot too bad the bits I go on, went down some country roads on Sunday and was able to get through any flood water in the fiesta20:11
CosmoHillthe flood plains look like a lake with random trees20:11
vgradeyea, I saw some sights on journey down to FOSDEM20:12
rcgyou guys are having a serious flood over there?20:13
vgradercg: usual UK , bit of weather and the whole country grinds to a halt20:13
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rcgheh, ic.. sounds like germany when it is snowing20:14
vgradehttp://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/142151.aspx20:14
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CosmoHillvgrade: tbh a lot of it has been underwater for a long time and some has been swept to sea20:15
rcgalright, there are a "few" marked areas20:15
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CosmoHillhttp://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/02/flooding-in-southwest-england/100677/20:17
vgrade16 severe - "danger to life" - 123 warning "immediate action required" - 229 alert "be prepared"20:17
vgradeso quite unusual20:17
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rcgyay, "danger to life" sounds bad :/20:18
rcghope you guys are alright and at proper height20:18
CosmoHillI am20:21
rcggood to hear20:21
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cxl000rcg, I have refreshed rpi firmware and have compiled gst-omx.21:07
rcgcxl000, cool :)21:08
cxl000gst-omx requires gstreamer-1.0 so a bunch of mer-core and nemo packages would need to be built in the hw adaptation until mer-core updates21:10
rcghmmz, ic21:10
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rcgbtw., speaking of nemo, is there actually a version of nemo for rpi that starts the ui?21:11
rcgjust tried the .ks linked from the wiki and this only boots into the command line21:11
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cxl000Not tried for since mid last year at that time there was still issues with qtwayland compositor.21:17
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cxl000rcg, I'll build a more recent QPA soon and give it a try21:17
rcgic21:18
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cxl000I have previously been able to run weston. One of the desktop such as orbital or hawaii might be a better fit.21:18
rcgwould be nice if you could ping me once you do this21:18
rcgi see21:19
rcgso far, i looked around a bit and found qtwayland in vgrade's repos on obs. but it fails to build right now21:19
rcgbtw, did anyone in here experiment with the improv?21:20
rcghttp://makeplaylive.com/#/home21:21
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vgradercg: I have an eoma68 and 1st revision on enginerring board. runs mer + libybris22:21
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vgradercg: I did manage to get nemo on Pi but qt has moved as you've seen22:24
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CosmoHillcyas]22:34
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vgradercg: this commit added the required extension to pi userspace libs to support vanilla wayland but it looks not to have been accepted upstream22:37
vgradehttps://github.com/tomeuv/userland/commit/c22c00f1e430b105a2c3dbbeffcf4762f27c3b1722:37
rcgvgrade, thx for the info :)22:38
rcgto be honest, i hoped that it'd be in a more "ready" state22:38
rcgbut anyhow, great thanks for all your efforts22:38
vgradercg: using this would mean that the pi specific elg plugin would not be required22:38
rcgas far as i read, you have been one of the main contributors of the rpi hw adaptation22:39
rcghmm ic22:39
vgradercg: cxl000 kulve also22:39
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vgradetoo many targets, too little spare time22:40
rcgic :)22:40
rcgindeed22:40
rcgtime, especially spare time is a common problem ;)22:40
vgradeone day22:41
rcg:)22:41
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sledgesor when they build more cores into the brain or similar :)22:41
rcgwas it the "hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" to quote: "time is an illusion. lunch time doubleish so"?22:41
rcgor more brains into the head22:42
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rcg:)22:42
sledgesor that brain could ssh somewhere and fork itself22:42
sledges:)22:42
rcgthat's what spiritual people do :D22:42
sledges:))22:43
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vgradeadaptation is a full time job, keeping up with upstream kernals, drivers, changes in core comonents (wayland, qt, connman etc). hopefully the hybris on andriod can standardise most of this22:46
vgradercg: what were you planning for Pi anyway22:46
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rcgvgrade, i just thought of it as a "cheap" platform for some students to hack with22:52
rcgbut as i want to target qt5 development, i realize that this is likely not what i want22:52
rcgpreferably, i want to target either sailfish, nemo, or plasma active with a strong emphasis on qt522:53
vgradercg: I'll see if I can spare sometime, not promises though22:56
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vgradercg: http://www.ics.com/blog/building-qt-and-qtwayland-raspberry-pi#.UvqrE3aM21g23:00
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vgradercg: gives you what you would need to do qt5 dev with students23:01
rcgvgrade, please don't invest any time in this unless you really have a good reason to23:02
rcgi mean, your effort is highly appreciated but this will be only a pretty small side project23:03
rcgi'd rather go and buy some more nexus 7 (2012) than spend too much time with this23:03
vgradercg: that link should get you going23:03
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rcgmaybe the faculty will even pay for the nexus 7 as this is some sort of project23:03
rcgaye, thanks a lot for your help :D23:04
vgradercg: having said that we (mer) should have a working Pi adaptation , we did once and no reason for not still having that23:05
rcgyeah, the pi is a really attractive platform23:06
rcghowever, it aged quite a bit and there may be platforms that are lower hanging fruits for similarly reasonable prices these days?23:07
fk_lxlike beaglebone black23:07
ryukafalzbbb is quite nice, though gpu performance isn't as good as the pi's23:08
rcghmm, bbb looks nice indeed23:12
rcgbut the specs are one side, the sw-support-side is the other23:12
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rcgthe ideal platform for my use case would allow me to download a .ks for nemo, create the image via the mer sdk, and then result in an at least 60% working and running nemo installation with ui23:13
fk_lxrcg: as far as I know BBB is very well documented and lot more open in terms of hardware support when compared with RPi23:16
rcgfk_lx, aye, ic23:18
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