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| situ | Which build targets should I select for building for Jolla phone ? | 06:40 |
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| situ | lbt: https://twitter.com/lbt_/status/409771709474934786 I couldn't find this build target on mer project website. Is it still supported ? | 10:36 |
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| lbt | situ: it's still there - as is 1.0.2.5 | 11:17 |
| situ | lbt: I don't see it in Add Repository page of my project. | 11:20 |
| lbt | good point | 11:23 |
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| situ | lbt: How would it work ? | 11:30 |
| lbt | wait a bit | 11:31 |
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| tbr | situ: meta section of your project: https://build.merproject.org/project/meta?project=home%3Atbr%3Asailfish | 11:46 |
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| situ | tbr: Thanks. I copied the repository tag in my project's meta section. It seems to work. | 11:49 |
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| * lbt added it to the "Add repositories" page too | 11:49 | |
| lbt | tbr: so if you go to your home project and click Add Repositories it should be there | 11:50 |
| situ | lbt: Thanks man. Should be easier for me next time :) | 11:50 |
| situ | I confirm it's there. | 11:51 |
| lbt | OBS is a bit of a pita - you then have to modify the 'architecture' setting to armv8el | 11:51 |
| lbt | the page doesn't do that in the current (old) version | 11:51 |
| situ | lbt: Stuck at this Project ERROR: Package mlite5 not found | 11:53 |
| situ | it works while building using QtCreator. | 11:54 |
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| situ | Ok I think I need to fix my spec file to specify mlite5 as a dependency. | 11:58 |
| tbr | OBS is good at digging out dependencies | 11:58 |
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| lbt | situ: what tbr said :) | 12:06 |
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| lbt | however ... this may cause issues with harbour | 12:06 |
| lbt | my guess is that something else *should* depend on mlite5 | 12:07 |
| tbr | yeah, someone discovered the other day that harbour and OBS seem to be orthogonal | 12:07 |
| lbt | we should be able to add 'harbour-devel' or something though | 12:09 |
| lbt | which in turn depends on all the stuff in harbour api ... it'll be like scratchbox all over again :D | 12:09 |
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| rcg | evening | 21:08 |
| CosmoHill | hi rcg | 21:09 |
| rcg | hey CosmoHill | 21:09 |
| rcg | ping fk_lx | 21:09 |
| rcg | ping w00t | 21:09 |
| rcg | CosmoHill, how is it going? | 21:09 |
| CosmoHill | still got a cold but okay. a guy on irc is seeing if he can ship over a sparc computer t me | 21:09 |
| rcg | aye ic | 21:10 |
| rcg | a sparc, nice :) | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | for CLFS work | 21:10 |
| rcg | clfs? | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | Cross Linux From Scratch | 21:10 |
| rcg | ah ic :) | 21:11 |
| CosmoHill | building linux on weird architexturs | 21:11 |
| rcg | hehe, indeed :) | 21:12 |
| rcg | reminds me of my times fiddling with sgi | 21:12 |
| rcg | and bsd and linux | 21:12 |
| CosmoHill | if you can't run windows on it I'm interested | 21:14 |
| rcg | :) | 21:14 |
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| CosmoHill | also i think it's one of the crazy ones with 32 or 64 threads | 21:44 |
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| fk_lx | rcg: what's up? | 21:48 |
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| rcg | fk_lx, a colleague might be doing something like a computer science summer camp at our university | 21:58 |
| rcg | something along these lines: 1 week, open for everyone interested, organized by the faculty, during summer break, hacking all day, social events in the evening | 21:59 |
| rcg | i recalled that i read that you organized some conferences or bigger meetups and just want to ask if you have experience with respect to something like the thing sketched above as well | 22:00 |
| rcg | he is in the conceptual phase right now. when we had a brain storm i had the very rough idea that i might offer something like "mobile coding aside android and ios" | 22:01 |
| rcg | i.e., primarily targeting mer-based platforms, nemomobile or plasmaactive | 22:02 |
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| rcg | we already have some resources that may be handy there like some nexus7 and raspberry pi and may even get some more for such an event | 22:04 |
| rcg | but i am not at all aware of the workload i'd have to estimate for such an event | 22:04 |
| rcg | and of course, i appreciate all other hints and suggestions i can get :) | 22:05 |
| fk_lx | hmmm | 22:06 |
| fk_lx | I never done any big event with university | 22:08 |
| fk_lx | I mostly doing events through association or as a company | 22:08 |
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| rcg | aye, i see | 22:10 |
| fk_lx | university organized events had their own specific and probably a lot of dealing with bureaucracy of university | 22:10 |
| fk_lx | getting permissions etc. | 22:11 |
| rcg | well, this kind of event is also primarily targeted at students or people in general who want to learn more about computer science | 22:11 |
| rcg | fk_lx, yeah, we are already at this. my colleague is employed at the faculty specifically for teaching. i am just employed in research projects btw. ;) | 22:11 |
| rcg | personally, i am not quite sure if i should offer such a "track" as my main concern is the workload | 22:12 |
| rcg | such an endeavor would be pretty much orthogonal to my other tasks and duties | 22:12 |
| fk_lx | well if it is supposed to last a week then probably it requires a lot of work | 22:13 |
| rcg | but, as i am pretty interested and enthusiastic in mobile open source stuff, i am still motivated to something like that | 22:13 |
| fk_lx | don't know what is your plan regarding accomodation of people - taking care of that, or let them care of that | 22:13 |
| fk_lx | who do you want to reach | 22:13 |
| fk_lx | probably some website is needed or using existing one from university | 22:14 |
| rcg | primarily, we want to reach computer science students who are studying in our university | 22:14 |
| rcg | so, accommodation shouldn't be an issue as we assume that all participant live "nearby" | 22:14 |
| rcg | yeah, that's a good point | 22:15 |
| fk_lx | so it seems rather easy task from organizational point of view | 22:15 |
| fk_lx | I mean from the level of getting place for those activities etc. | 22:16 |
| rcg | yeah | 22:16 |
| fk_lx | So probably the most work is preparing content in terms of what they should do, how to introduce them etc. | 22:16 |
| rcg | rooms are free during the lecture free time anyhow | 22:16 |
| rcg | yep | 22:16 |
| rcg | i also think that the biggest tasks (at least for me) would be content-wise | 22:17 |
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| rcg | so my plan would be to: 1) let them install the sailfish/mer/nemomobile sdk on their personal laptops or on computers provided by the university | 22:18 |
| rcg | 2) install either nemomobile or plasma active on the devices (nexus7, raspberry pi) we have | 22:19 |
| rcg | 3) give a short intro to qml and qt and show them how to deploy stuff on the devices | 22:19 |
| rcg | and from there we could go into different directions, depending on what people are interested in | 22:20 |
| fk_lx | I think 1, 2, 3 covers half a week | 22:20 |
| fk_lx | and about qml and qt you can talk endlessly | 22:21 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 22:21 |
| rcg | so, e.g., one possible route would be to let them fork some nemomobile projects on github and let them hack on that and see if there are bits that can be pushed upstream | 22:21 |
| rcg | :) | 22:21 |
| rcg | imho, the cool thing of something like that would be that they can hack on real devices instead of just sitting in lectures and learning theoretical stuff | 22:22 |
| rcg | also, the whole scope would be pretty informal compared to normal lecture activity | 22:22 |
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| rcg | fk_lx, also the plan is to not have this in a lecture-like way but rather more freely | 22:24 |
| rcg | i.e., we would also have to deal with a wide variety of background with respect to knowledge and coding skills | 22:25 |
| fk_lx | keep in mind that average student probably never heard about nemo, their knowledge might vary | 22:25 |
| rcg | yeah | 22:25 |
| fk_lx | yeah, that's what I thought at the same moment ;-) | 22:25 |
| rcg | :) | 22:25 |
| fk_lx | well I think you should first think who would be the main target | 22:26 |
| fk_lx | you said your university students | 22:26 |
| rcg | my current vision is that we can have something like an open work group or lab where people, once the whole kicked-off (i.e. 1,2,3) work more or less on their own | 22:26 |
| rcg | i.e., work in groups supporting each other with "us" as faculty personnel trying to be available for hints and questions all the time | 22:27 |
| fk_lx | so you plan something more long term? | 22:27 |
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| fk_lx | I mean that the summer camp is only first step to creating some more permanent group? | 22:28 |
| rcg | naw | 22:30 |
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| rcg | first, we just want to have that camp for a week | 22:30 |
| rcg | say 5 week days | 22:30 |
| rcg | it's just that the event should be the whole day during this week | 22:31 |
| rcg | my colleague also thinks about some sponsoring for maybe beverages or things like that | 22:31 |
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| rcg | btw. do you think it would make sense to ask for more input on something like the mer or sailfish mailinglist? | 22:34 |
| rcg | if i recall correctly, someone else did or at least discussed something similar last year | 22:35 |
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| rcg | fk_lx, thanks a lot for the input so far. my colleague and me will try to digest that and think about the next steps :) | 22:38 |
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| fk_lx | I don't have an idea | 22:48 |
| fk_lx | this year I'm doing SailfishCon | 22:48 |
| fk_lx | I hope it won't overlap with your summer camp | 22:48 |
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| fk_lx | rcg: just saying that it will be probably in first weekend of July | 22:50 |
| rcg | fk_lx, cool, SailfishCon sounds great :) | 22:50 |
| fk_lx | rcg: there is a post on together about that | 22:50 |
| rcg | well, i don't think that an overlap would be an issue :) | 22:51 |
| rcg | we are really really small | 22:51 |
| rcg | and a rather local event ;) | 22:51 |
| fk_lx | rcg: well I don't know what will be size of SailfishCon, but I don't expect it to be huge event | 22:52 |
| fk_lx | rcg: most of developers are mainly hobbysts or students | 22:52 |
| fk_lx | rcg: I mean app developers | 22:52 |
| rcg | fk_lx, aye, i wish you success with the event anyhow :) | 22:52 |
| fk_lx | rcg: that's also the reason why it's gonna happen on weekend | 22:53 |
| rcg | yeah, i know, i also asked about this on the mailing list yesterday :) | 22:53 |
| rcg | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1405726#post1405726 | 22:53 |
| rcg | fk_lx, ^ Wonko is my nick at tmo ;) | 22:53 |
| fk_lx | I'm worried that there is not much new people | 22:54 |
| fk_lx | most of people doing some apps, are the ones that were from meego/maemo communities | 22:55 |
| fk_lx | and almost nothing is done to attract completely new people | 22:55 |
| rcg | hmm, yeah | 22:55 |
| rcg | hmm.. well, i dunno about that | 22:55 |
| fk_lx | in my opinion is completely wrong as it will mean aging community | 22:55 |
| fk_lx | and young ambitious people will be attracted by other OSes, for example Ubuntu | 22:56 |
| rcg | i wrote some e-mails the past days talking about my frustration wrt the "push to harbour experience" | 22:56 |
| rcg | indeed | 22:56 |
| rcg | i think attracting new people is essential | 22:56 |
| rcg | but i am not enough into that to judge about the way new people are attracted to mer/sailfish/nemo | 22:57 |
| fk_lx | well I'm talking about my observations I might be of course wrong | 22:58 |
| rcg | well, feeling-wise i'd say you are not too wrong | 22:58 |
| fk_lx | but I cannot see any important steps in that area | 22:58 |
| rcg | but i dont have any hard numbers ;) | 22:58 |
| fk_lx | and when I talk with some people that could potentially do sth | 22:58 |
| rcg | personally, what i also like to improve is a bit of the social interconnection | 22:59 |
| fk_lx | I mean people that could potentially get involved | 22:59 |
| rcg | that's why i started that thread at tmo | 22:59 |
| fk_lx | they usually say that there is nothing attractive in Sailfish and it's a niche thing for Nokia fanboyts | 22:59 |
| rcg | hmm, ic | 23:00 |
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| fk_lx | rcg: so I think it's good that you are doing sth at your univ. that may attract new people | 23:03 |
| fk_lx | rcg: btw. there was dolphinaric mailing list intended for discussing such things | 23:03 |
| rcg | fk_lx, it's still not sure if we'll do that or if I'll offer that "workshop" | 23:03 |
| fk_lx | rcg: http://lists.dolphinaric.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dolphinaric-general | 23:04 |
| rcg | right now, i want to get a good overview of the things that would need to be done in order to be able to make a good decision if should do that or not :) | 23:04 |
| rcg | ah, cool, thanks :) | 23:06 |
| rcg | the dolphinaric group at github looks very interesting :) | 23:07 |
| fk_lx | well the whole project is kind of in refrigerator | 23:08 |
| fk_lx | if you want to pick it feel free | 23:09 |
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| rcg | yeah, i saw that the last changes were quite some time ago | 23:10 |
| rcg | but that's good input for my "workload estimation function" :) | 23:10 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 23:11 |
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