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| lbt | back | 00:02 |
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| shmerl | wb | 00:02 |
| lbt | so the guide does ask you to do some things in the web ui | 00:03 |
| shmerl | The guide kind of starts with the UI. And then assumes you made the test package through it. | 00:03 |
| lbt | they can be done in cli but need xml editing so to keep it simple.... | 00:03 |
| shmerl | Local work already focuses on adding a patch. | 00:03 |
| lbt | https://build.merproject.org/project/subprojects?project=home%3Ashmerl suggests no mer subproj :) | 00:03 |
| shmerl | I made it a bit from the side. Just took your package and did "osc add" | 00:03 |
| shmerl | Ah, that's the base location, so I need to make some subproject there first? | 00:04 |
| lbt | well, it also gets you to make a package in the ui too | 00:04 |
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| shmerl | OK, I'll make a subproject first. | 00:05 |
| lbt | yeah ... let me know if the steps are outdated | 00:05 |
| lbt | but it's late here so I'm off - leave highlights if you have questions/issues :) | 00:06 |
| lbt | M4rtinK may be able to help too | 00:06 |
| shmerl | Sure, thanks. | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, if I am adding a new package, I create it from the WUI | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | then co it | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | add files and commit them to OBS | 00:08 |
| shmerl | I see. Is there any clear way to do it without the UI? | 00:09 |
| mikhas | oh hey there, lbt! now that mer has *shipped* in a product … did you finally accomplish your mer-goals? | 00:09 |
| shmerl | I don't mind the UI though, just asking. | 00:09 |
| mikhas | just curious about future motivations ;-) | 00:09 |
| lbt | mikhas: that's just one of the goals :) | 00:10 |
| shmerl | I see there is some mkpac option. | 00:10 |
| lbt | mikhas: "Make it easy for vendors to make devices" | 00:10 |
| mikhas | "checked" | 00:11 |
| mikhas | from a certain perspective, shipping a phone in ~2 years with a relatively small team is "easy enough" | 00:11 |
| mikhas | we should catch up at FOSDEM, perhaps on the bus again ;-) | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | shmerl: I would say you can dump the xml from an existing package | 00:12 |
| lbt | mikhas: I will be there | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | shmerl: and use it as a template | 00:12 |
| mikhas | good! | 00:12 |
| lbt | mikhas: I need to do some work to present something | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, if everything goes well, I'll be also going to FOSDEM :) | 00:13 |
| lbt | I'd like to get other aspects of the linux community a little more excited/aware | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | 11 hours by bus ! :D | 00:13 |
| lbt | :D | 00:13 |
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| lbt | mikhas: I'll definitely consider it a major achievement when Tizen switches to Mer and/or Motorola ships a Mer device (I'm not greedy, either will do) | 00:15 |
| lbt | ok ...bed ... really o/ | 00:16 |
| shmerl | lbt: night | 00:17 |
| mikhas | M4rtinK, no train connection? | 00:17 |
| mikhas | 11 hours by train are much nicer than 11 hours by bus … | 00:17 |
| shmerl | M4rtinK: Ah, you need an XML file to make a package? That example provides it I think. | 00:17 |
| mikhas | (did 10 hours from Budapest to Berlin this summer) | 00:17 |
| shmerl | Ah, actually not. | 00:17 |
| shmerl | It just has a yaml spec. | 00:17 |
| mikhas | M4rtinK, I even had a shower before getting off the train! | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | mikhas: so many people from our company are going, so we are outright renting a full-size bus :) | 00:19 |
| mikhas | heh | 00:19 |
| mikhas | doesn't that make FOSDEM feel like … work? | 00:19 |
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| shmerl | btw, what version control does the OBS use? | 00:20 |
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| M4rtinK | mikhas: nah, I would be going regardless & this makes it convenient :) | 00:21 |
| mikhas | fairy snuff | 00:26 |
| shmerl | OK, osc mkpak just creates an empty directory with .osc metadata. | 00:26 |
| shmerl | mkpac* | 00:26 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 00:38 |
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| M4rtinK | good night :) | 00:50 |
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| shmerl | OK, when the package was created through the UI, adding files and changing stuff works OK. | 01:31 |
| shmerl | But it didn't show any XML file when I checked it out. | 01:31 |
| shmerl | So still not clear how to crate a package from scratch without the UI. | 01:31 |
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| shmerl | Ah, I found some meatadata which looks like XML. | 01:33 |
| shmerl | (in the UI). | 01:33 |
| shmerl | It's actually the same as _meta in the .osc | 01:34 |
| shmerl | That's created by doing: osc mkpac too. | 01:34 |
| shmerl | Ah, correction, mkac creates a bunch of files in .osc but not the _meta... | 01:37 |
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| shmerl | OK, it worked this way. First package can be crated with: osc mkpac hello | 02:05 |
| shmerl | Then add files, do osc add on them and osc ci in the end. | 02:05 |
| shmerl | Trying to change metadata with osc meta pkg -e before doing osc ci will cause a problem, with "package exists" error. | 02:06 |
| shmerl | After doing osc ci though you can go back and do osc meta pkg -e and change the title and description etc. | 02:06 |
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| shmerl | OK, seems like this is a good workflow (I can post that to the wiki as a draft, you can fix that later). | 02:11 |
| shmerl | 1. Create a package "hello" with: osc mkpac hello | 02:11 |
| shmerl | 2. Go to the package directory: cd hello | 02:11 |
| shmerl | no, actually don't. For step #2: don't go to the directory, just commit the new package from where you crated it: osc ci | 02:13 |
| shmerl | 3. Go to the package directory (still no files added there) and change metadata: osc meta pkg -e | 02:13 |
| shmerl | Assign the title and whatever else needed. | 02:14 |
| shmerl | 4. Then add files and etc. with osc add and then commit again. | 02:14 |
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| shmerl | Updated the wiki: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_Community_OBS#Creating_a_package_locally | 02:48 |
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| shalokshalom | hi there ^^ I wish to buy a Improv and wish to now, how much RAM gets used from MerOS with the KDE SC on it please :D | 19:11 |
| shalokshalom | now = know | 19:12 |
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| artemma | Can you somehow generate a part of .yaml programmatically? | 19:49 |
| artemma | thinking about using same version/release strings in .yaml/.spec and .pro | 19:50 |
| lbt | yes | 19:50 |
| lbt | my design was "the yaml contains stuff the spec needs that the pro cannot provide" | 19:50 |
| artemma | I am looking at these examples: https://github.com/nemomobile/mlite/blob/master/rpm/mlite-qt5.yaml#L20 , https://github.com/nemomobile/mlite/blob/master/src/src.pro#L3 | 19:51 |
| artemma | It looks like you can define variable in .yaml, that can get used in .pro then. Correct? | 19:52 |
| lbt | the yaml actually must have the content | 19:52 |
| artemma | or is it the other way around? | 19:52 |
| lbt | but it can be managed by QtCreator | 19:52 |
| artemma | sorry, I don't get it :/ | 19:52 |
| lbt | so ... are you familiar with a spec file and rpms ? | 19:53 |
| artemma | the final goal I guess is clear. I want to set version/release numbers once for .yaml/.spec and .pro. Ideally it is to be fetched from git tags | 19:53 |
| artemma | lbt: I get the idea of .yaml, .spec and know how to create sub packages there | 19:54 |
| artemma | and specify reqs once I figure packages to use | 19:54 |
| artemma | but that's about all my knowledge | 19:54 |
| lbt | just checking | 19:54 |
| artemma | as for .pro, I believe I am quite okay with it | 19:54 |
| artemma | linking between .yaml and .pro via these QMakeOptions is unclear to me | 19:55 |
| lbt | so the pro file is used to make a makefile | 19:56 |
| lbt | the makefile is used by the spec file to build the package | 19:56 |
| lbt | the spec additionally needs metadata | 19:56 |
| lbt | some of that can be replicated in the .pro | 19:56 |
| artemma | ah.. so it's processing of .spec that actually creates the final build | 19:56 |
| lbt | yes | 19:57 |
| artemma | hmm.. | 19:57 |
| artemma | then how are these QMakeOptions used then? | 19:57 |
| lbt | don't forget - the primary goal of most of these tools is to make a full device/product | 19:57 |
| lbt | the app side is a small subset | 19:57 |
| lbt | so we do need to reduce the visibility of the complex stuff | 19:58 |
| lbt | and streamline | 19:58 |
| lbt | in our normal build processes we actually use a tag on github to connect to our webhook API in Mer (or Jolla) | 19:58 |
| artemma | interesting, that's pretty much what I want | 19:59 |
| lbt | that triggers a git pull which then updates the packaging to do a build | 19:59 |
| artemma | except that I want the same version string to be usable inside binary as well. E.g. for About dialog | 19:59 |
| lbt | right | 20:01 |
| lbt | tell me ... how do I get the sha1 of a src file into the src file? :) | 20:01 |
| artemma | so.. - VERSION=%{version} in .yaml defines a variable VERSION that becomes available to makefile (and therefore can get manipulated in .pro even though it doesn't exist at the .pro definition moment) | 20:02 |
| artemma | I think I get that all these magic happens in the build time, just don't quite get the order | 20:02 |
| lbt | right ... so that goes into the build time stuff - the packaging | 20:03 |
| artemma | who's the boss and who's dependent | 20:03 |
| mikhas | lbt is the boss | 20:03 |
| lbt | actually I'm not sure that was a good example - but let it slide for now :) | 20:03 |
| artemma | Builder is apprently called by whoever processes .spec (rpms process?) | 20:04 |
| lbt | too many concurrent chats :) | 20:04 |
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| artemma | is this VERSION passed to makefile or fetched from makefile (for packaging ) then? | 20:04 |
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| lbt | useless ADSL | 20:06 |
| artemma | sorry about it | 20:06 |
| artemma | is this VERSION passed to makefile or fetched from makefile (for packaging ) then? | 20:06 |
| artemma | I guess it is passed to makefile, but I am not sure | 20:07 |
| lbt | the approach I'd use is to pass it in via the packaging | 20:07 |
| lbt | so yes, via the makefile | 20:08 |
| artemma | aha, and then from .pro I can pass it further to .cpp macros as if VERSION was defined in .pro (because during build initiated by rpms it will exist for sure)? | 20:08 |
| lbt | I would say that was the correct way | 20:10 |
| artemma | okay, got it, that's pretty clever actually | 20:10 |
| artemma | I'll probably make it a part of HelloWorld Pro for Sailfish as it seems to be quite good and independent on anything. Unless somebody smart does a pull request - https://github.com/amarchen/helloworld-pro-sailfish/ | 20:11 |
| artemma | lbt: then the only part left is how to get this version string from a git tag | 20:12 |
| artemma | I think I (sort of) understand how to pull git tag into .pro (via calling the shell from QMake macros), but I don't get how to pass git tag to .yaml | 20:12 |
| lbt | don't do that | 20:13 |
| lbt | the pro may be running using a tarball snapshot | 20:13 |
| Bostik | artemma: if you autogenerate .changelog at source upload autocreation time, why not just add the output of git-describe there? | 20:13 |
| Bostik | then, if $RPM_BUILD_ROOT is defined when buildilng, use that to get the location of the .changelog, and extract latest version | 20:13 |
| artemma | Bostik: I don't do automatic change logs and don't know how to do it, can learn though | 20:13 |
| Bostik | holy crap this network is laggy | 20:14 |
| artemma | if it existed however, I still don't get how to pull it to .yaml | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | Bostik: UK is like a third world country when it comes to connectivity isn't it | 20:14 |
| * CosmoHill waves at Bostik, Stskeeps and lbt | 20:14 | |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: at least their mobile data is awful | 20:14 |
| lbt | artemma: as a first step I'd say hardcode the version into the yaml Version: field | 20:14 |
| artemma | lbt: do you mean that pulling git tag into .yaml is possible, but needs some mechanism not supported by some higher level packagers? | 20:15 |
| lbt | yes | 20:15 |
| artemma | I hardcode it now yes. | 20:15 |
| lbt | the discussion above leads us to that as the best interim solution | 20:15 |
| artemma | hmm, I think for just an app that wouldn't matter, but for now I should be happy enough to specify version in a single place in .yaml only | 20:15 |
| artemma | thanks! | 20:15 |
| artemma | and pull requests with a reference solution is welcome too :) | 20:16 |
| lbt | typically users will commit the yaml into the same git as the source for 'apps' | 20:16 |
| artemma | Looking at bit.ly link stats at least dozens of developers are looking at that Helloworld Pro for Sailfish | 20:16 |
| lbt | very often you see the version bump as the first thing post-tag | 20:16 |
| Bostik | I need one full evening of NOTHING demanding my attention to sort out the network operator deals | 20:16 |
| artemma | yeah, I think at some point I should just create a bump-version.sh that modifies .yaml and calls spectacle to reflect changes in .spec too | 20:17 |
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| lbt | spectacle runs automatically if the yaml is newer than the spec | 20:18 |
| artemma | if I will really want to go full automatic, such script could be called from git hooks whenever a branch called release-whatever is created :) | 20:18 |
| artemma | lbt: only if you actually do generate the build :) | 20:18 |
| artemma | I sometimes forget about it and commit version change when only .yaml is updated | 20:18 |
| artemma | lbt: thanks a lot, I think I understand things now | 20:19 |
| lbt | then you should do better QA and test a build after *every* change - even the "nothing can go wrong" ones :D | 20:19 |
| * artemma is actually into fullest possible automation and develops some things e.g. Flashlight in nearly complete TDD mode | 20:20 | |
| Bostik | triggering autobuilds for all commits is not such a bad idea, but you should probably dedicate a separate autobuild project for those | 20:20 |
| artemma | that is one of the reasons why this step of non-automatic version string bugged me | 20:20 |
| lbt | artemma: FWIW we do a huge amount of automation | 20:20 |
| artemma | we lousy developers need fullest possible automation net to protect from ourselves :) | 20:20 |
| lbt | check #mer-boss sometime | 20:20 |
| artemma | Continuous Integration for my Jolla apps are not quite there yet though | 20:21 |
| artemma | would be cool to do one day, but not sure if I ever actually do it | 20:21 |
| lbt | they require too much rigor for most app devs | 20:21 |
| artemma | I would love all tests to run on every Save, but automating it just for myself is a bit of a burden an I suppose Mer people do not optimize for a 3rd party single app developer | 20:22 |
| artemma | and* I suppose | 20:23 |
| Bostik | we actually have "build every push" at work, and if the build fails, bot shows what was the topmost commit (and who wrote it) | 20:23 |
| lbt | build every tag is the other approach | 20:24 |
| artemma | that is super cool, but again I guess nobody even cares to make it single-click usable for a 3rd party app dev | 20:24 |
| artemma | plus some of my tests need UI level as well | 20:24 |
| lbt | artemma: to make it valuable you need to do things like enforce changelog rules, link to bug trackers, tag naming schemes, automated builders | 20:25 |
| lbt | non-OSS app devs won't want to use a build service (and MOBS is OSS only) | 20:25 |
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| artemma | as all the other debs out there I care about my particular case mostly :) | 20:26 |
| artemma | other devs* | 20:26 |
| artemma | problem is, it is unlikely to be mer's standard case :) | 20:26 |
| artemma | if/when I do it for myself, I will probably got for purely local solution and building on every Save (to filesystem) rather then on every git commit | 20:27 |
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| artemma | but that's mostly because even in a dream situation I'll get a couple of collaborators max | 20:27 |
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| lbt | so the way to get more is to join other people, not have them join you :) | 20:29 |
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| artemma | well, so far I am just doing apps myself for fun + a friend who knows about UI | 20:31 |
| artemma | once there's a second contributing dev, CI on git hooks will start making way more sense | 20:32 |
| artemma | with strong focus on unit tests (over UI level tests), I get dozens of tests running under a minute including packaging. That's fast enough for diligent test running from console to be good enough | 20:33 |
| artemma | for a simple app of course | 20:34 |
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| sledges | hello | 22:24 |
| sledges | lbt? | 22:24 |
| sledges | http://webhook.merproject.org/ is down :/ | 22:24 |
| CosmoHill | sledges: is it mean to ask me for a user and password? | 22:28 |
| sledges | CosmoHill: lbt thank you, was some temporary failure (my DNS?) | 22:29 |
| lbt | I was doing some work on it | 22:29 |
| sledges | phew, so it wasn't the pill I took | 22:29 |
| sledges | :} | 22:29 |
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