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| artemma | Hi all | 12:00 |
| artemma | guys, is libhybris a part of mer? | 12:00 |
| artemma | I need an advice about it | 12:00 |
| artemma | or is lybhybris a part of nemo? | 12:04 |
| artemma | I'd like to use a couple of libhybris functions from sailfish app for turning flash on/off (flashlight app). Problem is, libhybris used in sailfish/jolla isn't exactly open (no supplied headers nor libs in SDK) | 12:06 |
| artemma | so I wonder if it should work if I just compile libhybris from github into my app | 12:07 |
| artemma | statically | 12:07 |
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| artemma | I checked if emulator's zypper can find libhybris, it cannot. Not sure if on-device one can find it | 12:08 |
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| Stskeeps | so, libhybris is part of hw adaptation usually, mer's just a core; the api that should be used for these kind of things is qtmultimedia | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | because the lower parts can change from device to device | 12:14 |
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| artemma | hmm | 12:18 |
| artemma | hmm | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | even in our stack we hit people that try to use lower level apis for higher level apps | 12:18 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: the what's the proper discussion forum for discussing interactions with libhybris from SailfishOS? Nemo or sailfish? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:18 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: actually I pinged you, because I saw you did last public commit to libhybris | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | sure, i'm the author | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | but libhybris is more of a magic tool to break into android hardware adaptation layers | 12:19 |
| artemma | so proper discussion forum is Carsten himself - cool! :) | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/mer-packages/qtmultimedia is what is provided for app developers i think | 12:20 |
| artemma | What I am trying to do is a flashlight for Jolla | 12:20 |
| artemma | problem is that torch functionality doesn't seem to be open to Qt/QML level | 12:21 |
| artemma | yesterday I was messing a lot trying to control flash from Qt with aard_ 's help and.. it didn't quite work | 12:21 |
| artemma | so I thought to revert to libhybris level. There's just a couple of functions after all | 12:21 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, doubt you'd get through store with that :) | 12:22 |
| artemma | or maybe I just read qtmultimedia code better and figure out what's the real proper way to conrol camera flash.. | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | it means your app would be device specific | 12:22 |
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| Stskeeps | in the sailfish stack, normal apps cant' even reach libhybris at build time | 12:22 |
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| artemma | Stskeeps: you were the one writing https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris/blob/master/compat/camera/direct_camera_test.cpp | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | nop, that was ubuntu / canonical | 12:23 |
| artemma | do you remember if there's reason why test is touching front came, not back one | 12:23 |
| artemma | ah.. | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | jolla stack looks different | 12:24 |
| artemma | damned. I don't mind investing time digging into qtmultimedia, just would love to get a confirmation that flash on/off control is possible there | 12:24 |
| artemma | or at least an educated advice about it | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | nod, you can perhaps ask denexter (brisbane, australia timezone) | 12:24 |
| artemma | sounds logical that libhybris cannot be used from app level.. | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | just like emulator doesn't use libhybris | 12:25 |
| artemma | yeah, developing hardware intensive apps in emulator is a little difficult | 12:26 |
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| artemma | fortunately ppl on IRC are kind enough to try my code, but I am not skilled enough for debugging via IRC | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | we hope to make that better in future | 12:27 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: I am not sure how much you know the way camera is used from Qt, but if you are and into helping, here's a bit of a test code :D https://github.com/amarchen/video-flash-trial | 12:28 |
| artemma | it pretty much just exposes Qt/QML camera controls to UI buttons, so you can turn flash on/off start/stop video recording, etc | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: one of my dirty secrets is that i'm not really a qt/qml coder :) | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | everything below though | 12:29 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: I am totally fine with messing with as much qml as needed | 12:29 |
| * artemma loves qml | 12:29 | |
| artemma | in theory turning flash on and starting camera should, well, keep flash on, but it doesn't | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | it might be that the api isn't fully wired through, not impossible | 12:30 |
| artemma | with aard_ we managed to get to the point of seeing two short LED flashes | 12:30 |
| artemma | apparently during seeking for focus | 12:30 |
| artemma | so something is wired :) | 12:31 |
| RzR | hi guys | 12:31 |
| RzR | going to fosdem 2014 ? I bet yes | 12:31 |
| RzR | last year jolla presence was awsome | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | probably yeah | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | not sure of jolla presence though | 12:32 |
| RzR | I would like to present something this time | 12:32 |
| RzR | some work related topic ... and if not possible | 12:32 |
| RzR | i was thinking about an history of meego/harmattan from a community point of view | 12:33 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: if u know internals, maybe you could see log messages or trace to see whether flash control is getting through | 12:33 |
| artemma | .. | 12:33 |
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| RzR | would be best if this topic can be shared w/ a co talker | 12:33 |
| RzR | from post meego ppe | 12:33 |
| RzR | pple | 12:33 |
| artemma | or maybe I just ask in mailing list if flash control is indeed wired to Qt | 12:34 |
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| artemma | asked | 12:50 |
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| * aard_ quickly flashes something and goes away again | 12:50 | |
| artemma | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/001234.html | 12:51 |
| artemma | aard_: there is a possibility that flash control isn't wired to Qt level at all | 12:51 |
| artemma | no idea about the probability | 12:51 |
| artemma | I asked on a mailing list and posted source code there as well. I tried making code as simple and clear as I could, so maybe somebody actually reads it | 12:52 |
| artemma | chip in with comments if you can :) | 12:52 |
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| situ | lbt: Saw your talk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5pqgBOyTP0 , loved it! | 19:28 |
| lbt | thanks :) | 19:28 |
| lbt | don't think I've seen that video | 19:29 |
| lbt | ah yes ... the hat :) | 19:29 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 19:30 |
| situ | This talk must have improved your 'tshirt throwing' skills :P | 19:31 |
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| artemma | lbt: real good talk BTW. One of the very few I watched over 5 min | 19:33 |
| artemma | I sorta understood the whole Mer thing.. I think :) | 19:34 |
| lbt | situ: yep - it's a good trick | 19:35 |
| lbt | artemma: good, thanks for the feedback | 19:36 |
| * faenil starts video in background while working | 19:38 | |
| faenil | just because I love lbt's UK accent :D | 19:38 |
| Bostik | another year, another lbt (key)note? | 19:38 |
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| Bostik | it'll take a while to download through this IP-over-smoke-signals net I'm on... | 19:45 |
| lbt | :D | 19:45 |
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| lbt | right ... enough hacking ... off to tango ... g'night all | 19:47 |
| Bostik | .../src/math/tan.go | 19:47 |
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| CosmoHill | night all | 23:48 |
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