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| kulve | SpeedEvil: should work. Although you probably need to turn the mouse pointer visible | 06:19 |
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| Bostik | late'ish morning | 06:27 |
| Bostik | reading LKML, I'm secretly happy to see that embedded world isn't the only one where boot times are important | 06:28 |
| Bostik | 0.1% even among first-world problems: http://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/14/523 :) | 06:28 |
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| c0cainec0la | you know what would be funny | 06:50 |
| c0cainec0la | a mer device with 1TB of memory | 06:50 |
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| Stskeeps | c0cainec0la: i'm sure you can do that with the x86_64 port | 06:50 |
| c0cainec0la | i didn't even know x86_64 supported 1tb of ram | 06:51 |
| c0cainec0la | that sounds serious | 06:51 |
| teve | c0cainec0la: Mem: 1058758568 637203304 421555264 0 1199020 459620008 | 06:52 |
| c0cainec0la | well then | 06:52 |
| c0cainec0la | you are far more equipped for os image building than i am my good sir | 06:53 |
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| alterego | Building in tmpfs is speedy :) | 07:11 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: indeed.. i love obs workers that build in tmpfs | 07:22 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: yeah, I've had my SDKs local building in tmpfs for quite a long time now. It really speeds up your development cycle not having to wait so long for compiles ;) | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | using mb, too? | 07:23 |
| alterego | mb? | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | mb or mb2, fantastic tool to avoid having to do osc build | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | if you have a rpm/ directory, just mb build -t targetname rpm/foo.spec | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | and it'll keep build results from last time | 07:24 |
| alterego | I've not heard of that before. What does it use as a build root? | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | ~/rpmbuild/BUILD/ | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | you can of course mount that elsewhere | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | but it speeds up development massively, too | 07:25 |
| alterego | I'll have to look in to it. | 07:25 |
| alterego | :) | 07:25 |
| alterego | Learn about new things every day :) | 07:25 |
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| alterego | Versailles, nice .. | 07:30 |
| alterego | I should probably go somewhere this year. | 07:30 |
| alterego | Are there any notable events coming up? | 07:31 |
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| Stskeeps | hrm, smartdevcon in poland and fosdem in feb, at least | 07:32 |
| alterego | Fosdem is aaages away. | 07:32 |
| alterego | I guess it's been more of an anticipatory year. | 07:33 |
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| alterego | I'd really like a tablet OS that didn't suck. | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | ever checked out seadot? | 07:36 |
| alterego | Yeah | 07:36 |
| alterego | It's got a way to go | 07:36 |
| alterego | It also sort of reminds me of Fremantle | 07:37 |
| alterego | Wait, pre-fremantle :) | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | did you see my alcatel video? | 07:38 |
| alterego | Not sure, link? | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rGET5Uxu5E , on a http://www.gsmchoice.com/en/catalogue/alcatel/onetouchfire/Alcatel-One-Touch-Fire.html at 95 EUR | 07:38 |
| alterego | Wow speedy, hybris? | 07:39 |
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| Stskeeps | yessir | 07:40 |
| alterego | Amazing :) | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | in 256mb ram | 07:40 |
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| alterego | Looks like the storage is a bit slow. | 07:40 |
| alterego | Very impressive though :) | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | it's a no-brand mmc | 07:40 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps, your videos are bad for my neck :) | 07:41 |
| alterego | Oh, you're booting of MMC. | 07:41 |
| alterego | veskuh: hahah | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh: it's my little play to prevent marketing to use them ;p | 07:41 |
| alterego | Hah | 07:41 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps, brilliant | 07:41 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: I would have thought the music would put them off :P | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | in seriousity though, i think ZTE open, if it's similarly hackable, at 80 USD on ebay could be a very nice kit for many | 07:42 |
| alterego | Maybe I should tell "marketting" the command line for rotating a video 90 degrees :P | 07:42 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: Hmmm, | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | same board underneath afaik | 07:42 |
| alterego | So's the rpi? I guess the form factor is somewhat more tangible. | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | rpi is a nice kit but it's not mobile | 07:43 |
| alterego | I suppose it would be useful in being able to make UI more scalable. | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 07:44 |
| alterego | Working on a "feature" phone would be extremely benificial. | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | i like the challenge at least, though even http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/12/12/49-99-android-4-0-smartphone-powered-by-spreadtrum-sc6820-cortex-a5-soc/ has lower price and same ram | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | very likely to jack up to 512mb | 07:45 |
| alterego | Yeah, I would imagine the cost difference can't be that great between 256 and 512. | 07:46 |
| alterego | What comes with less than 512 RAM these days ... | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | very good way to see where to hit your sw on memory scaling etc though | 07:48 |
| alterego | Yeah | 07:48 |
| RaYmAn | wow, i'm surprised android 4.0 can even run with 256mb ram | 07:49 |
| alterego | I'm getting so sick of symbian. I need to get back to my N9 tbh | 07:49 |
| alterego | I have to stare blankly at the screen for about 10 minutes before it registers that I've read a text message, from a contact that I may talk to frequently. Which is really odd, considering I have to press a f'ing "more" button to see older messages than the five or so it displays in one list. | 07:50 |
| alterego | / rant over | 07:50 |
| alterego | The camera is good though .. | 07:50 |
| alterego | So underpowered .. | 07:51 |
| Jope | alterego, ltns :-) | 07:51 |
| Jope | why would you use symbian tho | 07:52 |
| alterego | A girl I was seeing a few months ago cracked the screen on my personal N9, haven't got around to replacing it yet and have been using a 808 Pureview the past 3 months. | 07:52 |
| alterego | Kind of as torture, and also as a way to not make me hold my phone so much. | 07:53 |
| veskuh | alterego, yeah I have 808 as travel phone, and it drives me grazy so fast. The camera is great, though. | 07:53 |
| Jope | I tried to have a stint of smartphone abstinence | 07:54 |
| Jope | I ended up nervously fiddling through the menus of my 6310i nevertheless | 07:54 |
| Jope | perhaps I should have tried to abstain for a bit longer, then the phone could have stayed in the pocket more.. | 07:54 |
| alterego | Jope: I imagine you crying in that memory ;) | 07:54 |
| Jope | :-D | 07:54 |
| Jope | come to think of it, back in the old dct3 days, I did that anyway :-D | 07:54 |
| alterego | I just used to play snake, and try and write crappy J2ME games :P | 07:55 |
| Jope | hehe | 07:55 |
| Jope | yep | 07:55 |
| Jope | I think I got a pixel on in j2me and then thought ok, I'll come back to this later | 07:55 |
| alterego | Hahah | 07:55 |
| Jope | never went back naturally | 07:55 |
| alterego | It was a pain in the ass, a) Java. b) Java | 07:55 |
| alterego | I remember making a pong clone. | 07:56 |
| alterego | Which I was quite proud of at the time. | 07:56 |
| alterego | I guess the structure of the "applet" was quite well tailoured to games. If not apps. | 07:56 |
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| alterego | And the J2ME forms were horrible. | 07:56 |
| Jope | :-) | 07:58 |
| Jope | I know lots of ppl in .fi who made their living doing that stuff | 07:58 |
| Jope | dchoc, mr goodliving, ... | 07:58 |
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| alterego | I was still in school :D | 08:01 |
| alterego | I sort of wish I got in mobility earlier, professionally. I feel like I missed some of the more exciting periods. But then, things are still quite exciting today. | 08:02 |
| Jope | yeps.. | 08:03 |
| alterego | The fact that in the past 4 years, being able to run a fully fledged Linux system on a phone is pretty awesome. | 08:03 |
| alterego | 4-5 years I guess. | 08:03 |
| Jope | indeed.. we were quite close to my dream with the n900 :-) | 08:03 |
| Jope | meaning pocketable all purpose computing | 08:03 |
| Jope | just not enough ram or cpu in that beast. | 08:03 |
| alterego | Yeah, I still have a pretty prestine N900, just sitting in a drawer, kind of makes me sad. Maybe I should donate it to someone. :D | 08:03 |
| Jope | thinking back to j2me, I'm actually surprised that people have already forgotten how fragmented j2me was | 08:04 |
| alterego | I still know of two people that aren't hackers that use it today :) | 08:04 |
| Jope | everyone's moaning about android fragmentation like it's a new thing | 08:04 |
| Jope | but j2me .. damn the boys at mr goodliving had an elaborate build automation system that built the same codebase onto 200 different j2me phones.. | 08:04 |
| Bostik | not new, just latest and thanks to android proliferation, the most painful | 08:04 |
| Jope | stripping out shit that wouldn't run on some .. | 08:04 |
| alterego | Yeah, in the early days, there were so many different APIs being supported by different vendors. Was a massive pain. | 08:04 |
| Jope | they didn't moan, they just did it. :-) | 08:05 |
| Jope | (they did moan ;-) | 08:05 |
| alterego | You know what else I miss, ringtone makers. | 08:05 |
| Jope | ooh yes.. | 08:05 |
| alterego | Maybe I'll write an app for nemo. | 08:05 |
| alterego | It'd be pretty trivial. | 08:05 |
| Jope | RTTTL or what was it .. | 08:05 |
| Jope | smart messaging spec.. argh. :-) | 08:05 |
| Jope | takes me back to the late 90s | 08:05 |
| alterego | I can't remember, I just remember using the inbuilt Nokia one to do ringtones for peers. | 08:06 |
| * alterego starts sketching ringtone app. | 08:06 | |
| alterego | Wonder what I could use to make the sounds. I'd imagine a midi sequencer would be best. | 08:06 |
| Bostik | ahhh, the larry theme in ringtone... | 08:07 |
| alterego | I remember doing several Marilyn Manson tunes for friends. | 08:07 |
| alterego | One of which was his cover of "Sweet Dreams" | 08:07 |
| sledgeSim | leisure suit larry ftw lol Bostik | 08:08 |
| alterego | Ooooh, oooh, I could implement an entropy based ringtone generator. | 08:08 |
| alterego | Everyone could have their own ringtone :) | 08:09 |
| Jope | hehe.. argh | 08:11 |
| alterego | Also need to sort out VoIP | 08:11 |
| alterego | I actually want to restructure voicecall a bit. | 08:11 |
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| alterego | I was thinking of moving it to a single process. Rather than the two it is now. As they're both running at the same time. Using dbus like I do between UI and manager is really annoying to hack on. | 08:12 |
| alterego | Though the QML will still have to be a seperate package. | 08:13 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: have you had much success with ofono on those kind of cheap devices? | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | i tried for a bit but screwed something | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | should work | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | ofono-rilmodem is a fantastic invention | 08:16 |
| alterego | yeah, was thinking about ofono-ril | 08:22 |
| alterego | There's also audio, how well is that kind of stuff supported? | 08:22 |
| alterego | I guess better than gfx | 08:22 |
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| alterego | Does normal PC hardware generall have an RTC wakeup ability? | 10:03 |
| alterego | ~generally .. | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | theoretically | 10:04 |
| alterego | Hrm, might give it a go. | 10:05 |
| alterego | I wonder if the exo does. Might turn it in to a radio alarm clock. Heh. | 10:07 |
| alterego | Though I guess it's almost time to destroy it ;) | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, good point | 10:11 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: cheaper than sending it back :) | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: they'll have to find me first | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:46 |
| alterego | Heh, you've moved like 3 times since, ;) | 10:46 |
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| dm8tbr | it's a tax thing anyway... | 10:55 |
| alterego | yeah | 10:58 |
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| sledgeSim | woot? :}} | 12:52 |
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| cybrNaut | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/ <= that site has SSL cert issues | 20:31 |
| cybrNaut | what's the status? is mer up and running on anything yet? | 20:32 |
| cybrNaut | wiki mentions Nemo Mobile, Plasma Active, Cordia, Jolla/Sailfish, Seadot | 20:33 |
| cybrNaut | i thought sailfish was another OS | 20:33 |
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| Morpog_PC | cybrNaut, SailfishOS = Mer + Nemomobile middleware + Sailfish UI + HW Adaption | 20:38 |
| Morpog_PC | Nemomobile = Mer + Nemomobile middleware + Nemomobile UI + HW Adaption | 20:39 |
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| cybrNaut | ah, thanks | 20:47 |
| lbt | cybrNaut: what ssl issues? | 21:10 |
| cybrNaut | gotta message about the cert being for a different site.. i had to go through a process to manually view and accept the cert | 21:11 |
| lbt | hmm - what OS/browser? | 21:12 |
| Morpog_PC | can someone remove this from mer wiki? http://merproject.rosskendall.com/ It's full os spam entries | 21:12 |
| Morpog_PC | os --> of | 21:12 |
| lbt | cybrNaut: we use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication TLS/SNI to support multiple https on a single IP - some browsers don't support that | 21:14 |
| lbt | Morpog_PC: feel free to do that | 21:14 |
| Morpog_PC | have no mer account :) | 21:14 |
| lbt | get a Mer account? :D | 21:14 |
| lbt | what page? | 21:14 |
| Morpog_PC | entry page | 21:14 |
| Morpog_PC | oops sorry | 21:15 |
| Morpog_PC | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Website_Ideas | 21:15 |
| cybrNaut | lbt: i'm using FF 3.5.16 with the noscript and https everywhere plugins | 21:17 |
| Morpog_PC | erm, maybe update FF? | 21:18 |
| Morpog_PC | I'm on FF 26 here | 21:18 |
| cybrNaut | Morpog_PC: that's a pain in the ass for debian users | 21:18 |
| cybrNaut | Debian is always quite behind | 21:18 |
| lbt | cybrNaut: also you did visit the http site link | 21:18 |
| lbt | try going to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Main_Page directly | 21:19 |
| cybrNaut | lbt: not sure.. i'll try again | 21:19 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe the hhtps everywhere addon got a bug | 21:19 |
| cybrNaut | damn firefox popups.. cannot copy the text | 21:19 |
| lbt | it seems OK here - and I've had no complaints for many, many months.... so ... hoping it is just a redirect glitch | 21:20 |
| * lbt reboots windows 8 for the Nth time | 21:20 | |
| cybrNaut | i get "wiki.merproject.org:443 uses an invalid security certificate.... error code: sec_error_unknown_user" | 21:21 |
| cybrNaut | lbt: trying your url now.. | 21:21 |
| lbt | you're not on sarge or something? :D | 21:21 |
| cybrNaut | lbt: i should also mention i'm on lenny.. which i think is 1 distribution behind the stable | 21:22 |
| lbt | yeah - it's possible that entire civilizations have risen and fallen since then .. | 21:22 |
| lbt | and certainly possible that startcom's root cert is not in lenny | 21:23 |
| cybrNaut | with this link (https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Main_Page) i get "connection is untrusted". the cert is for api.ci.merproject.org | 21:23 |
| lbt | cybrNaut: I actually suspect that you don't have TLS/SNI | 21:24 |
| cybrNaut | whats sni? | 21:24 |
| lbt | see that wikipedia link ^^^ | 21:24 |
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| lbt | I shall encourage you to upgrade by saying it puts you about equal to MS windows running IE 6... | 21:25 |
| cybrNaut | other ssl sites work fine, w/one exception | 21:25 |
| lbt | yes - it's due to us sharing certs over an IP address | 21:25 |
| lbt | most commercial sites support IE6 .. we don't | 21:25 |
| rcg | might also be worth to mention that it's not the securest way to surf on the internet via an ancient browser | 21:26 |
| lbt | according to gospel, ffox 2.0 and above should work | 21:27 |
| rcg | 2.0 or 20? | 21:27 |
| lbt | 2.0 | 21:27 |
| rcg | scnr :) | 21:28 |
| CosmoHill | hi guys | 21:28 |
| cybrNaut | rcg: old browsers should be fine.. as long as it's 256 bit aes crypto | 21:28 |
| lbt | but debian may have linked against their version of tls/ssl back in lenny time | 21:28 |
| cybrNaut | problem is actually w/all the new features.. java, flash, and all that silly shit | 21:28 |
| rcg | cybrNaut, am not referring to crypto. rather like vulnerabilities in the browser etc. | 21:28 |
| cybrNaut | rcg: better yet, disable the dodgy stuff altogether. that's what i do. cookies off.. javascript off.. no flash | 21:29 |
| rcg | but i didn't want to start a big discussion about that right now. just to give a friendly hint | 21:29 |
| cybrNaut | taht's where all the holes are | 21:29 |
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| rcg | *just wanted | 21:31 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: I got my new car :) | 21:34 |
| rcg | night all... :) | 21:35 |
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| lbt | :) | 21:35 |
| CosmoHill | nigh..oh he's quick | 21:35 |
| cybrNaut | CosmoHill: what OS is it running? gonna put mer on it? | 21:35 |
| CosmoHill | so far I've set the alarm of 4 or 5 times and had to do a 3 point turn into the work enterances which my nissan has no issues with | 21:36 |
| CosmoHill | cybrNaut: atm it's running BP Regular :) | 21:36 |
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| cybrNaut | some cars have shitty software.. i recall a car that occasionally could not go past 2nd gear. The solution was to pull over and reboot | 21:37 |
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| CosmoHill | my cousin said the same for the rear wiper until we worked out the controls | 21:38 |
| CosmoHill | took us 2 miles to turn it off | 21:38 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/fiesta_st/ | 21:40 |
| CosmoHill | night night | 21:44 |
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