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| kulve | this might already be an old idea but would it be useful to have e.g. Raspberry Pi (or similar, or even a PC) in your living room for playing music/videos so that it's controlled (completely?) from a (Jolla) phone? I was just wondering if there would be people interested in designing a few main features and setting up a Mer project for that.. Something simple, not one giant app doing everything. Could be a set of tools (mpd, dlna/upnp, etc) that have been | 06:28 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds interesting to me -- did a curious prototype of media view transfer in http://hacking-mobility.blogspot.com/2011/10/qmlhtml5-application-state-transfer.html | 06:30 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: which was like a clairvoyant thing if you look at chromecast | 06:31 |
| dm8tbr | also I'd suggest to try to integrate with something popular like XBMC | 06:32 |
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| Stskeeps | right now i .. ssh into my pi | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | to start things | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:32 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: ah, so you have the need and access to devices, you're well suited to pioneer this then ;) | 06:33 |
| dm8tbr | or rather take it further | 06:33 |
| Stskeeps | i really want to do something with those android tv sticks at some point | 06:34 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, and chromecast is just the same (with less ui) | 06:34 |
| Bostik | mpd + minidlna would be enough for all playback needs, then just something to control | 06:36 |
| kulve | yeah, exactly. I was thinking something in the line on mpd. A daemon on the other side and a UI on the phone | 06:37 |
| * Bostik has his own mpd desktop client | 06:37 | |
| Bostik | ... everything else at the time was bloated crap that tried to mimick "the itunes experience" | 06:38 |
| kulve | Maybe the biggest point in this would be able to install a ready made image to RPI SD card, install a few apps to the phone and they would work together fluently. With as little configuration as possible | 06:38 |
| dm8tbr | there are xbmc images afaiu | 06:39 |
| kulve | one of my uses cases currently is to play music with mpd without turning on the TV (a linux box is connected to the AV and the UI is on my nexus7). Does XBMC handle allow that kind of remote use? | 06:42 |
| kulve | -handle | 06:42 |
| kulve | I've tried XBMC only briefly so I can't say much about it. At least it looks really nice | 06:48 |
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| Uninstall_ | Stskeeps: hello | 10:55 |
| Uninstall_ | Have you got any news about Qt 5.1 on mer? | 10:55 |
| Uninstall_ | we have some problems to build it on ARM | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall_: nothing beyond what i told the other week, utilize mer:qt and tar_git? | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | should work fine on ARM :) | 10:55 |
| Uninstall_ | Stskeeps: it fails in a weird way on our OBS | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok, what error do you get? | 10:56 |
| Uninstall_ | Stskeeps: uic complains that can't load QtCore.so.5 | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. right | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | go look at the prjconf of mer:qt | 10:56 |
| Uninstall_ | is it a known problem? | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | well it's more about that it needs an addition to sb2-tools | 10:57 |
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| Uninstall_ | Stskeeps: ok | 10:58 |
| Uninstall_ | thanks | 10:59 |
| Uninstall_ | I will take a look | 10:59 |
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| mira|AO | hi, is there any chance I can get Mer to change its shell to mksh instead of GNU bash? | 14:37 |
| lbt | mira|AO: you can install and use mksh | 14:40 |
| lbt | if that's what you mean | 14:40 |
| mira|AO | sure I can ;) but I’d love to see Mer adopt mksh | 14:43 |
| * mira|AO is mksh upstream | 14:43 | |
| mira|AO | (well “mira” is, not “mira At wOrk”) | 14:43 |
| mira|AO | pro: less bloat, more speed, more updated, and especially more standards-compliant than bash 3.2 (!) | 14:44 |
| mira|AO | contra: have to re-check existing scripts, possibly remove some bashisms (most extensions are indeed supported by mksh) | 14:44 |
| mira|AO | I’d of course be available to help with that | 14:44 |
| lbt | it's certainly not a simple decision | 14:44 |
| mira|AO | sure | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | we don't really use a lot of scripts in first place; a lot is handled by systemd | 14:45 |
| mira|AO | but this is the only “free-form” communication channel I found on the website, after discovering Mer on LWN | 14:45 |
| mira|AO | ah ok | 14:45 |
| mira|AO | that would make it even easier I guess | 14:45 |
| lbt | what license is mksh | 14:45 |
| mira|AO | BSDish | 14:45 |
| mira|AO | (fwiw, Android /system/bin/sh on recent enough systems is an mksh) | 14:45 |
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| mira|AO | recent enough ~= 2.4 (which was never released as product) and up | 14:46 |
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| mira|AO | lbt: https://www.mirbsd.org/TaC-mksh.txt contains the whole shit, but you usually don't need/use all of this | 14:47 |
| mira|AO | e.g. logo stuff and printf code from 4.xBSD | 14:47 |
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| lbt | *nod* - I think we're more likely to use busybox shell as the baseline afaik | 14:50 |
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| mira|AO | that's a stripped-down ash which is really not fun for people (users, developers) to work with | 14:53 |
| mira|AO | you can drop all shells from busybox and put mksh aside it, at about 40 KiB cost for dynamically-linked ARM | 14:54 |
| mira|AO | (mksh ranges at about 100-200K) | 14:54 |
| lbt | Stskeeps would be the guy to convince :) | 14:54 |
| mira|AO | ok | 14:54 |
| mira|AO | thanks! | 14:55 |
| lbt | I know that shell selection is an eternal TODO | 14:55 |
| mira|AO | ;-) | 14:55 |
| mira|AO | at least you’re listening | 14:55 |
| lbt | and that a sound rationale (and resources) both play a part in the decision | 14:55 |
| mira|AO | that's sensible | 14:55 |
| mira|AO | but to provide a rationale I'd need to know the priorities and requirements | 14:56 |
| lbt | that android uses it is interesting - and may be relevant to inclusion in mer generally (depending on how build systems run) | 14:56 |
| mira|AO | as for developers… all major shells are developed by only one person, so that shouldn't be an issue | 14:56 |
| mira|AO | ah. but android doesn't really use shell (only a bit, and not in the build), and they keep ash around in case they should have trouble with mksh (didn't need that for a long time though) | 14:57 |
| mira|AO | hm. I should look whether they still do that, in fact. | 14:57 |
| * lbt has a meeting now though ... | 14:57 | |
| mira|AO | ok, have “fun”… | 14:57 |
| lbt | back later (but not around tonight) | 14:57 |
| mira|AO | i'll have end-of-workday soon, but i'll get back later from home | 14:57 |
| lbt | I sugest digging around Mer a bit and ask if you need help | 14:58 |
| mira|AO | I could probably hack together a PoC that runs on mksh, but won't invest the work if there's no chance of acceptance | 14:58 |
| mira|AO | (took me about 1.5 years to get it into android too…) | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | there's always a chance and code is king | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | what bashisms don't you do? | 14:59 |
| mira|AO | ok, android still has sh around but not touched in ages | 15:01 |
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| Stskeeps | advertisement-clause bsd license, ooi? | 15:01 |
| mira|AO | stskeeps: some of the more obscure things, some of the things bash4 also doesn't do, and currently process substitution, i.e. <(foo) | 15:01 |
| mira|AO | no | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 15:01 |
| mira|AO | no advertisement clause in there | 15:01 |
| mira|AO | <(foo) is planned though | 15:01 |
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| mira|AO | and associative, multi-dimensional arrays too, but bash3 doesn't do them either | 15:02 |
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| mira|AO | mksh itself is http://opensource.org/licenses/MirOS | 15:02 |
| mira|AO | strlcpy.c is needed only on glibc systems ;-) | 15:03 |
| mira|AO | printf.c isn't even included with mksh normally | 15:03 |
| mira|AO | and the remaining paragraphs are for the logo and the win32 icon | 15:03 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:05 |
| mira|AO | ah. and the syntax for $PS1 is different (especially because bash's \$ is impossible to parse right in POSIX) | 15:05 |
| mira|AO | but that's no biggie | 15:05 |
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| mira|AO | I’ll look into how to checkout and build a Mer image then | 15:06 |
| mira|AO | ah, specfiles… | 15:09 |
| mira|AO | good, I can reuse the OBS one then :D | 15:09 |
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| mira|AO | I assume Gerrit needs an mksh.git for me to submit reviews against (empty or with one initial commit, maybe)? | 15:27 |
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| mira|AO | uh, building this seems pretty complex… | 15:34 |
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| * mira|AO gets the SDK | 15:37 | |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps:Is the OBS build log a new thing? | 15:58 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:Can't remember I've seen it before | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | not a new thing | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | was there even back in 2008 | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:59 |
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| Superpelican | hmm, then I must've missed it | 15:59 |
| mira|AO | bbl | 15:59 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps:Where does it fail: https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=kernel-adaptation-pov_protab2_xxl&project=home%3ASuperpelican%3Ahw-adaptation-pov_protab2_xxl&repository=latest_armv7hl | 16:01 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:It gives multiple errors | 16:01 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:But which one is the fatal one? | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | error: Bad source: /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/mer-toolchain-mno-unaligned-access.patch: No such file or directory | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | check your osc status | 16:01 |
| Superpelican | ok, thanks | 16:01 |
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| Superpelican | vgrade:What are all those python and perl scripts in your %files sections of the kernel-adaptation-sunxi.spec? | 16:20 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps:"The build root needs packages from project 'mer:mds2:Core:armv7hl:0.20130703.1'", is this due a recent change in the Mer Project? | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | new release prolly | 16:28 |
| Superpelican | ok | 16:28 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps: "error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/share/doc/setup-2.8.56/COPYING;51f7ea03: cpio: open failed - Permission denied", known bug? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | bit busy atm | 16:32 |
| Superpelican | ok | 16:32 |
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| moog | Hi. | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 19:07 |
| moog | I want to put Gentoo on an Odroid X board. I'm not sure about how install and manage the kernel. | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | mm, gentoo might be a bit offtopic here | 19:09 |
| moog | True. | 19:10 |
| moog | Gentoo is the bit I don't have a problem with. | 19:10 |
| moog | I was kind of hoping you guys would know a bit about putting an OS on to an Android device. | 19:12 |
| lynx | easiest is probably a chroot | 19:12 |
| moog | chroot is fine if you don't want to replace the kernel but I need to manage my own kernel. | 19:14 |
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| lynx | ah | 19:14 |
| moog | It has this FAT32 boot partition that I can't read. I can see it, run fsck against it and other file system tools but can't read it or "fix it". | 19:15 |
| moog | I've tried read about Das U-boot but I think that would make a lot more sense if you're studying it from a design point of view rather than a black box that someone's already done the hard work to get working. | 19:18 |
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| ssvb | moog: there is #odroid channel on freenode, specifically for this board | 19:24 |
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| moog | Thanks. I didn't think of that. | 19:28 |
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| moog | Well it would seem that the issues with which I am aflicked may be due to the boot partition being broken and thus I can't see how to install my kernel. Oddly though, this thing still boots. | 20:23 |
| moog | It is because the operating system boots that I thought I was missing something. I probably still am but that'll be something else and for later. | 20:25 |
| moog | Thank you for your patience, having me here. | 20:26 |
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| moog | Now here's a question. How plausible would it be to have a Gentoo like build your own Mer, Sailfish or Mer derivitive? | 20:32 |
| Venemo_N9 | you can | 20:32 |
| Venemo_N9 | with mic :) | 20:32 |
| moog | That is exciting. Do you know how difficult it might be to re-build Sailfish on the host device to take advantage of new versions the kernel or glibc or openssl or even to (albeit unlikely) replace the UX? | 20:38 |
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| rcg | uhm.. honestly, I wouldn't go through the hassle of rebuilding everything on my own just because of that | 20:41 |
| rcg | in fact what you get with obs is exactly that, a system build from scratch from source | 20:42 |
| rcg | _if_ you need something new, i'd first try to tinker on obs, like branching packages and the like | 20:42 |
| rcg | from my experience with gentoo things brake quickly in horrible ways and from my experience with mer and plasma active, things are sometimes very fragile when it comes to combinations of different software and versions etc. | 20:43 |
| rcg | *break | 20:44 |
| moog | I have experienced some horrible break down's in Gentoo also but on the whole my experience has been a pleasant one. I think but I can't say for sure but if you live with a disto long enough you'll probably experience things where you'd think those who should know better got it wrong but isn't that going to be the same for most if not all distros? | 20:47 |
| moog | I have to admit, if you're adventurous in Gentoo then yes you are much more likely to break things. But if you have a plan and stick to it you can build a very tailored system. | 20:50 |
| rcg | yeah, i just wanted to point at obs as a very convenient alternative to building everything from scratch on your own | 20:52 |
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| rcg | obs is actually very smart and automatically takes care of re-building "rev-deps" when packages are updated | 20:54 |
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| rcg | it also allows you to conveniently branch packages if necessary | 20:54 |
| moog | Does obs have a homepage/wiki? | 20:56 |
| rcg | but of course locally building has its advantages as well | 20:56 |
| rcg | and usually it'd be nice if one contributed via obs rather than building it's own cup of tea ;) | 20:57 |
| rcg | afaik | 20:57 |
| rcg | iirc there is in the mer wiki on merproject.org | 20:57 |
| darkbalder | Hi everyone o/ | 20:57 |
| moog | Google brought up a page on the mer wiki but that wasn't very informative. | 20:58 |
| rcg | the cool thing is, once, e.g., you succeed with something special for your needs you could easily contribute this back to the community via obs | 20:58 |
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| darkbalder | I'm compiling https://gitorious.org/archos-gen9-mer-adaptation-kernel/archos-gen9-mer-adaptation-kernel-ics, with config file from http://basyskom.com/news/138-archos-plasma-active.html | 21:01 |
| darkbalder | oldconfig OK, make OK, boot OK, touchscreen OK, but lcd screen is in black!, any ideas of the problem? | 21:02 |
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| rcg | one guess: did you copy the modules as well | 21:07 |
| rcg | darkbalder, ^ | 21:07 |
| rcg | furthermore, have a look at that patch | 21:10 |
| rcg | https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=mer-toolchain-mno-unaligned-access.patch&package=kernel-adaptation-archos-gen9-pvr&project=home%3Awonko%3Aarchos-g9-pa-adaptation%3Apvr&rev=9a2aed0a5cb84e8dcff1c2c0ee194147 | 21:10 |
| darkbalder | rcg, yep, in fact, touchscreen drivers are compiled as modules, and I can't see the button to shutdown but I know where it is, so, I touch, it shutdowns | 21:10 |
| rcg | That's the config I am using: https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=kernel-adaptation-archos-gen9-pvr.config&package=kernel-adaptation-archos-gen9-pvr&project=home%3Awonko%3Aarchos-g9-pa-adaptation%3Apvr&rev=9a2aed0a5cb84e8dcff1c2c0ee194147 | 21:10 |
| rcg | darkbalder, alright, so it may be "just" a graphics driver issue? | 21:11 |
| rcg | generally, that's the current "semi-official" kernel for archos g9 https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=kernel-adaptation-archos-gen9-pvr&project=home%3Awonko%3Aarchos-g9-pa-adaptation%3Apvr | 21:12 |
| rcg | at least for plasma active | 21:12 |
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| * moog waves | 21:14 | |
| CosmoHill | hi | 21:14 |
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| moog | I'll be back some time to learn more about mic and obs. Thank you. | 21:15 |
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| darkbalder | rcg, thanks! excuse me but what is pvr? | 21:16 |
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| rcg | power vr | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | urgh | 21:26 |
| rcg | this kernel is for hw-accelerating some things | 21:26 |
| blue787 | Hi there | 21:27 |
| CosmoHill | hey blue787 | 21:27 |
| rcg | there's also a kernel for fbdev | 21:27 |
| rcg | https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-archos-gen9&project=home%3Awonko%3Aarchos-g9-pa-adaptation | 21:28 |
| blue787 | All developers here ? | 21:29 |
| blue787 | I've never written an app before but I have a few ideas | 21:29 |
| CosmoHill | i'm a jurour web developer who came here from meego and I joined meego to learn more about linux after LFS | 21:29 |
| CosmoHill | the most I contribute is some conversation | 21:29 |
| blue787 | Oh ok cool | 21:30 |
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| darkbalder | rcg, do you know how video driver is for archos 101g9 turbo? I've tried to compile drm in kernel but black screen continues | 21:51 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 22:05 |
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| rcg | darkbalder, dunno about drm | 22:20 |
| rcg | i think i messed a little with that but that's long ago and i forgot almost everything | 22:20 |
| rcg | i'd take the current kernel config, try if this works and then continue with tweaking from there | 22:21 |
| darkbalder | ok, thanks, I'll try this | 22:30 |
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| rcg | yw | 22:33 |
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| darkbalder | rcg, do you know why, when I cross-compile, I get this error: arch/arm/mm/proc-v7.S:391: Erreur: le processeur choisi ne supporte pas le mode ARM « smc #0 » ?? | 22:37 |
| darkbalder | I have the "solution" but, in another conversation, someone told that it is very "strange" | 22:38 |
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| ali1234 | the selected processor does not support mode ARM smc #0? | 22:42 |
| rcg | darkbalder, i built the kernel via the mer platform sdk | 22:42 |
| rcg | so, this way, it is actually not cross compiling | 22:42 |
| rcg | have a look at the mer wiki for more info about this | 22:42 |
| rcg | gtg | 22:43 |
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| ali1234 | http://wakefang.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/error-selected-processor-does-not.html | 22:43 |
| ali1234 | it looks like maybe it's a toolchain bug | 22:44 |
| Artox | I herad its a kernel bug instead | 22:46 |
| lynx | or wrong cflags | 22:46 |
| Artox | I had this issue too for the GTA04 pphone using a 2.6.32 kernel | 22:47 |
| Artox | with a new version of gcc | 22:47 |
| Artox | newer kernels did nto have the problem | 22:47 |
| ali1234 | kernel/toolchain mismatch is always a problem | 22:48 |
| ali1234 | not really a bug as such, just that "the way" has changed | 22:48 |
| darkbalder | I've solved that error with this http://ding34.blogspot.com/2013/05/error-selected-processor-does-not.html | 22:48 |
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