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| Stskeeps | morn | 04:57 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm thinking to shift mer from that mds feeds the OBS with sources to that project-core is a snapshot of obs project's _service files (original mer git, gitpkg, tar_git and whatever else crazy contraceptions we can come up with in future), and you can with ease deploy a full project with proper prjconf and set up _service files, and do updates to trees | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | it may make branching a lot easier | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | so mds would only feed binaries | 11:52 |
| * lbt parses | 11:52 | |
| Stskeeps | yes, was a bit of a ramble :P | 11:52 |
| CosmoHill | hi lbt | 11:54 |
| CosmoHill | and Stskeeps of course | 11:54 |
| lbt | yes, moving to a snapshot of _service makes sense and is essentially the goal of all the tar*git*pkg stuff | 11:56 |
| lbt | probably requires _service points to a clone-able set of git repos for all core (ie gitlab-ish, not github) | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | right | 11:56 |
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| lbt | hey CosmoHill | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, i was thinking a local cache of needed git repos that can be fallen back to, but yes | 11:58 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: who are you insured with? | 11:58 |
| lbt | feels like we could do with _service driven prjconf too | 11:58 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: no clue - bit busy atm too :) | 11:59 |
| CosmoHill | cos you seem to have written off very exspensive cars and have cheap insurance and I've just bought a new(er) car | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, i'll try out something like this in practice | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | will probably start out with a simple service that just reads good old ugly mer style git packaging | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:01 |
| * lbt wonders what else | 12:01 | |
| Stskeeps | it also allows a little riskier merging and allows upgrade-able promotions from devel/testing/stable kind of thing | 12:02 |
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| Stskeeps | as we can shred devel on a regular basis | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | when it goes sour | 12:02 |
| lbt | just thinking towards the branch stuff too - now that's come to the fore | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | it makes branching a lot easier | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: next up.. i'd like to do this on build.merproject.org and decommision old CI and absorb the workers into build.merproject.org | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | so it's less weight | 12:03 |
| lbt | single OBS? | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:04 |
| lbt | mmm | 12:04 |
| lbt | my counter to that is that we have very predictable load on CI | 12:04 |
| lbt | and that we have poor scheduling control | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 12:04 |
| lbt | also I see value in having mer-core being visibly seperate from community side | 12:05 |
| lbt | what benefit do you see? sysadmin? | 12:05 |
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| Stskeeps | sysadmin time, one place for contribution | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, CI is ancient and potentially hacked to bits :) | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | plus better pooling of resources | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | CI stands idle a lot | 12:06 |
| lbt | IMO it wouldn't help on sysadmin - I agree about redeploying it though | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps | 12:07 |
| lbt | yeah - moving workers around would be nice from a cost PoV - but I'm not convinced the equation works out | 12:07 |
| lbt | for sure the contribution process needs work | 12:08 |
| lbt | but I think webhook can help there once it has ACLs | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | just airing my thoughts on how to improve matters a bit | 12:09 |
| lbt | the other thing is that CI is the vendor model - that's what needs reproducing | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 12:10 |
| lbt | anyhow - yes, there are pros+cons | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | makes 'custom cores' a hell lot easier too, which is what many seem to do, without sacrificing ease of upstreaming | 12:12 |
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| lbt | so what is mds' job? | 12:19 |
| lbt | store the binaries for a master sha1 which in turn defines the prjconf and src sha1s | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | along those lines yes, for those who just want a bootstrap or not build own core | 12:21 |
| lbt | and that then serves the mobs or allows building against an archived Mer | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | right | 12:22 |
| lbt | so a release is essentially a snapshot to mds | 12:23 |
| lbt | which it is now | 12:23 |
| lbt | mds should be able to drive the creation of repos then | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | could potentially, yes | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | i was thinking that it may not even be needed to run mds for some circumstances and just run scripts on top of a project-core checkout or likes | 12:24 |
| lbt | to recreate a build you mean? | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, or update a tree | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | tree=project | 12:25 |
| lbt | I was thinking about mds being the master for the binary/rpm store | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: think this one goes in your territory: https://github.com/nemomobile/plymouth-lite/pull/1 | 14:52 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps, lbt: interesting pull request, apparently our new guy has been looking into all kinds of things | 17:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Bostik: those are good people to have :P | 18:03 |
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| Bostik | Stskeeps: yeah, it helps to have people who actually are required to look into the base platform and see what needs fixing | 19:16 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 22:09 |
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