Sunday, 2013-07-28

CosmoHillnight folks, sleep well00:07
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ericcc_morning  guys00:12
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Stskeepslbt: i'm thinking to shift mer from that mds feeds the OBS with sources to that project-core is a snapshot of obs project's _service files (original mer git, gitpkg, tar_git and whatever else crazy contraceptions we can come up with in future), and you can with ease deploy a full project with proper prjconf and set up _service files, and do updates to trees11:51
Stskeepsit may make branching a lot easier11:51
Stskeepsso mds would only feed binaries11:52
* lbt parses11:52
Stskeepsyes, was a bit of a ramble :P11:52
CosmoHillhi lbt11:54
CosmoHilland Stskeeps of course11:54
lbtyes, moving to a snapshot of _service makes sense and is essentially the goal of all the tar*git*pkg stuff11:56
lbtprobably requires _service points to a clone-able set of git repos for all core (ie gitlab-ish, not github)11:56
Stskeepsright11:56
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lbthey CosmoHill11:57
Stskeepswell, i was thinking a local cache of needed git repos that can be fallen back to, but yes11:58
CosmoHilllbt: who are you insured with?11:58
lbtfeels like we could do with _service driven prjconf too11:58
lbtCosmoHill: no clue - bit busy atm too :)11:59
CosmoHillcos you seem to have written off very exspensive cars and have cheap insurance and I've just bought a new(er) car11:59
Stskeepslbt: ok, i'll try out something like this in practice12:00
Stskeepswill probably start out with a simple service that just reads good old ugly mer style git packaging12:00
Stskeeps:P12:01
* lbt wonders what else12:01
Stskeepsit also allows a little riskier merging and allows upgrade-able promotions from devel/testing/stable kind of thing12:02
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Stskeepsas we can shred devel on a regular basis12:02
Stskeepswhen it goes sour12:02
lbtjust thinking towards the branch stuff too - now that's come to the fore12:03
Stskeepsyep12:03
Stskeepsit makes branching a lot easier12:03
Stskeepslbt: next up.. i'd like to do this on build.merproject.org and decommision old CI and absorb the workers into build.merproject.org12:03
Stskeepsso it's less weight12:03
lbtsingle OBS?12:03
Stskeepsyeah12:04
lbtmmm12:04
lbtmy counter to that is that we have very predictable load on CI12:04
lbtand that we have poor scheduling control12:04
Stskeepssure12:04
lbtalso I see value in having mer-core being visibly seperate from community side12:05
lbtwhat benefit do you see? sysadmin?12:05
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Stskeepssysadmin time, one place for contribution12:06
Stskeepsi mean, CI is ancient and potentially hacked to bits :)12:06
Stskeepsplus better pooling of resources12:06
StskeepsCI stands idle a lot12:06
lbtIMO it wouldn't help on sysadmin - I agree about redeploying it though12:06
Stskeepsperhaps12:07
lbtyeah - moving workers around would be nice from a cost PoV - but I'm not convinced the equation works out12:07
lbtfor sure the contribution process needs work12:08
lbtbut I think webhook can help there once it has ACLs12:08
Stskeeps:nod:12:09
Stskeepsjust airing my thoughts on how to improve matters a bit12:09
lbtthe other thing is that CI is the vendor model - that's what needs reproducing12:10
Stskeepsyep12:10
lbtanyhow - yes, there are pros+cons12:10
Stskeepsmakes 'custom cores' a hell lot easier too, which is what many seem to do, without sacrificing ease of upstreaming12:12
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lbtso what is mds' job?12:19
lbtstore the binaries for a master sha1 which in turn defines the prjconf and src sha1s12:20
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Stskeepsalong those lines yes, for those who just want a bootstrap or not build own core12:21
lbtand that then serves the mobs or allows building against an archived Mer12:21
Stskeepsright12:22
lbtso a release is essentially a snapshot to mds12:23
lbtwhich it is now12:23
lbtmds should be able to drive the creation of repos then12:23
Stskeepscould potentially, yes12:23
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Stskeepsi was thinking that it may not even be needed to run mds for some circumstances and just run scripts on top of a project-core checkout or likes12:24
lbtto recreate a build you mean?12:25
Stskeepsyeah, or update a tree12:25
Stskeepstree=project12:25
lbtI was thinking about mds being the master for the binary/rpm store12:26
Stskeepsok12:27
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Stskeepslbt: think this one goes in your territory:   https://github.com/nemomobile/plymouth-lite/pull/114:52
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BostikStskeeps, lbt: interesting pull request, apparently our new guy has been looking into all kinds of things17:40
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StskeepsBostik: those are good people to have :P18:03
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BostikStskeeps: yeah, it helps to have people who actually are required to look into the base platform and see what needs fixing19:16
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CosmoHillnight night22:09
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