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| Bostik | morn | 04:39 |
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| dm8tbr | good moaning | 06:22 |
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| dimitris91 | good morning! | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | good morning | 07:40 |
| dimitris91 | in the raspberry pi kickstart | 07:41 |
| dimitris91 | there is this line : repo --name=mer-core --baseurl=http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/armv6l/packages --save --debuginfo --source | 07:41 |
| dimitris91 | can you tell me what --save --debuginfo --source do? | 07:42 |
| dimitris91 | i think i can guess but just to be sure | 07:42 |
| dimitris91 | :) | 07:42 |
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| Stskeeps | --save means it gets stored in /etc/zypp/repos.d | 07:43 |
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| Stskeeps | --debuginfo means add the debuginfo repository | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | --source.. well, guess | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:44 |
| dimitris91 | Stskeeps: thanx | 07:44 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:01 |
| dm8tbr | good moaning | 09:01 |
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| * dm8tbr puts a cake on the table for lbt, phaeron and Stskeeps and all others I don't remember right now, in appreciation of their infrastructure work for Mer | 09:02 | |
| lbt | mmm cake! | 09:02 |
| slaine | allo allo's lasting impression will be good moanings and pissing against the door | 09:03 |
| lbt | I have other memories ;) | 09:03 |
| slaine | lbt, Oh rennie | 09:04 |
| dm8tbr | ronnie | 09:04 |
| slaine | Or zee madonna vith zee big boobies | 09:04 |
| * dm8tbr just watched through all seasons, but I had that phrase even before I did | 09:04 | |
| * dm8tbr hands slaine a knockwurst | 09:05 | |
| slaine | Good moaning is an international greeting standard now | 09:05 |
| dm8tbr | with a little svastika on it! | 09:05 |
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| rcg | morning | 09:09 |
| kulve | almost booting to Mer on Ouya.. Still some kernel issues. Will need to debug more after the weekend | 09:09 |
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| dm8tbr | nice :) | 09:10 |
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| aseigo | Stskeeps: ping | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | aseigo: pong | 12:24 |
| aseigo | Stskeeps: hey :) when is the next scheduled mer meeting, if any? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | aseigo: nothing scheduled atm but feel free to propose one | 12:24 |
| aseigo | ok .. yeah, we'll need to get together to discuss a few things. the development of mer is becoming increasingly troublesome; i think we need to come with some proposals as to how to tame the beast a bit. continual forward progress development is leaving more pain than gain. | 12:26 |
| aseigo | is there a usual day of the week preferred? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | any is usually good, but tuesday-wednesdays are usually good for me | 12:27 |
| aseigo | notmart: what works better for you next week .. tuesday or wednesday? | 12:27 |
| notmart | aseigo: has to be after wednesday | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | do remember that we do need help in some areas that can make things easier | 12:28 |
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| aseigo | notmart: ok.. week after that? | 12:28 |
| notmart | wek after anywhere is perfect | 12:28 |
| aseigo | Stskeeps: yes, that's fine. we need some processes defined so that can happen | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 12:28 |
| notmart | ut in general from wednesday evening/night on | 12:28 |
| aseigo | Stskeeps: august 6 work for you? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | aseigo: should be.. lemme put it in calendar | 12:29 |
| aseigo | cool... notmart? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | hrrm | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | actually let's make it 7th, company planning day on 6th | 12:29 |
| notmart | yeah, perfect | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | if possible | 12:29 |
| aseigo | 7th works for me. | 12:29 |
| aseigo | notmart: 7th good for you too? | 12:29 |
| notmart | sure | 12:30 |
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| notmart | right now, i'm pretty much bisecting problems happened at some point somewhere in the stack.. but can not really rebuild packages against any mer-core release, blocked on whatever is available i nemo, became quite a mess | 12:31 |
| notmart | and only going to get worse as time passes | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: though you're also still on an older version aren't you? | 12:31 |
| notmart | aanyways.. time? | 12:31 |
| notmart | Stskeeps: pretty much i'm desperately trying on any version, old and new ;) | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 12:32 |
| notmart | but any "finished os" that gets released should always be on a fixed release, no matter how gets old imo.. | 12:32 |
| notmart | that of course shifts the burden of maintaining that particular one to whoever releases that finished os image | 12:33 |
| notmart | aaanyways, 7th august.. | 12:33 |
| notmart | time? | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to select a time, during european day time | 12:33 |
| notmart | 14:00? | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | .. UTC? | 12:33 |
| notmart | ugh, timezones | 12:34 |
| notmart | for me the same, 14:00 utc, ie 16:00 cest? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:34 |
| notmart | aseigo: ok that time? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | i do want to move to something that's more branch-able, at least | 12:36 |
| notmart | Uninstall_: maybe is something could be interestig to attend also for you guys | 12:37 |
| notmart | yep, definitely | 12:37 |
| lbt | I may be in .fi on 7th | 12:37 |
| Uninstall_ | notmart: hello | 12:38 |
| * Uninstall_ needs to read the backlog | 12:39 | |
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| Uninstall_ | drf__: ping | 12:39 |
| lbt | yes - so 5/6/7 aug is not good for me :( | 12:40 |
| aseigo | notmart: that time works for me, yes | 12:40 |
| aseigo | lbt: erg ... what days work for you? | 12:41 |
| drf__ | Uninstall_: pong | 12:41 |
| drf__ | should I backlog? | 12:41 |
| Uninstall_ | drf__: meeting about mer development | 12:41 |
| lbt | ! 5/6/7 aug :) | 12:41 |
| Merbot | lbt: Error: "5/6/7" is not a valid command. | 12:41 |
| drf__ | Uninstall_: now or in the backlog? | 12:41 |
| Uninstall_ | drf__: scheduling | 12:41 |
| notmart | just planning for one | 12:41 |
| drf__ | k | 12:41 |
| lbt | and > 3 Aug would be good too | 12:42 |
| Uninstall_ | what about Monday or Tuesday? | 12:42 |
| lbt | and >= 3 Aug would be good too | 12:42 |
| notmart | to me just has to be >= 1 aug | 12:42 |
| Uninstall_ | aseigo: what's the agenda for the meeting? | 12:43 |
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| lbt | "a stable mer" ? | 12:43 |
| aseigo | lbt: stable mer development .. not quite the same thing | 12:45 |
| Uninstall_ | something a bit more specific? | 12:45 |
| notmart | something like that.. | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | 'branching mer for products', perhaps | 12:45 |
| drf__ | 3 aug is ok to me | 12:45 |
| aseigo | Stskeeps: that's a part of it; there are other issues though i think | 12:45 |
| drf__ | actually, I have no big preference atm | 12:45 |
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| aseigo | (introducinig a butrfs that breaks the installer was pretty fantastic, for example) | 12:45 |
| notmart | to me in kindof the ability for who builds on top to take an arbitrary release and build on top (and have that building undefinitely) | 12:46 |
| lbt | aseigo: so related to QA and test coverage and feedback processes | 12:46 |
| notmart | easy if i had my own obs server.. but should be doable with the one server on merproject.. | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | do note that hw adaptations are out of scope of mer; but naturally they should be branchable themselves -- when it comes to non-virtual machine x86, it's not getting a terribly lot of love | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | so maybe those should be seperate | 12:47 |
| aseigo | it really has nothing to do with hw adaptations | 12:47 |
| lbt | I think that specific issue could be argued as an adaptation point | 12:48 |
| lbt | but in general I think it's mer changes and the impact on product builds depending on core | 12:48 |
| lbt | ie ensuring that a change can be assessed by an external product build QA process | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | anyway - good topics for on the day | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | aseigo: notmart: let's do it structured and have an agenda? | 12:50 |
| Bostik | hmmmmm... | 12:51 |
| aseigo | yes, we can get an agenda together and pass it around 1-2 days before the meeting | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | thans | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:51 |
| lbt | http://www.doodle.com/ scheduling? | 12:52 |
| drf__ | ++ | 12:52 |
| aseigo | lbt: that's where the issues tend to be noticed, yes; the question is how to make that interface point as reliable as possible. otherwise adaptations are not particularly feasible. | 12:52 |
| aseigo | 3rd of august is fine for me | 12:52 |
| notmart | ok, let's do 3 | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:52 |
| jussi | lbt: beer if you are here? | 12:53 |
| jussi | on me? | 12:53 |
| lbt | :) | 12:53 |
| notmart | 3 august, 14:00 utc, 16:00 cest | 12:54 |
| jussi | so when is the meeting? and is anyone free to attend? | 12:54 |
| jussi | hehe | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | #mer-meeting and yes | 12:54 |
| jussi | notmart: I think you read my mind | 12:54 |
| notmart | hm, still having broken btrfs, no matter what combination of package version, great :/ | 12:56 |
| Uninstall_ | Stskeeps: by the way we have to address eblibc 2.17/ gcc 4.81 Q&A problem | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall_: i think we should start by preparing the packages | 13:00 |
| Uninstall_ | I can start with eglibc specs | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | remember to align somewhat with what ubuntu has | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | as that's what linaro gcc is tested with | 13:02 |
| Uninstall_ | Stskeeps: sure | 13:02 |
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| drf__ | btw | 13:03 |
| drf__ | linaro's gcc is' still 4.8.0+git | 13:03 |
| drf__ | but as long as we move to the 4.8 branch, it'll be a quick upgrade afterwards | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | .. also, we're thinking linaro gcc, right | 13:04 |
| drf__ | ah sorry | 13:04 |
| drf__ | last release is actually 4.8.1 | 13:04 |
| drf__ | I missed out on that one | 13:04 |
| drf__ | https://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/+announcement/11780 | 13:04 |
| drf__ | which is awesome news | 13:04 |
| drf__ | I guess we should start with 2013.07 then | 13:04 |
| Uninstall_ | Stskeeps: you told me that you are kind of freezing mer for next release, right? | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall_: yes, prerelease went out yesterday, then we test in next_* and test various targets | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | just admitting bugfixes atm | 13:07 |
| drf__ | Stskeeps: just checking: are we talking http://releases.linaro.org/13.06/components/toolchain/eglibc-linaro ? | 13:07 |
| drf__ | (actually, http://releases.linaro.org/13.07/components/toolchain/eglibc-linaro ) | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | heh, now there's something i didn't know existed | 13:08 |
| drf__ | :) | 13:08 |
| drf__ | we might consider using that | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | if it makes sense to go for eglibc-linaro, let's do so, but so far i've followed ubuntu eglibc | 13:08 |
| drf__ | Stskeeps: well, eglibc-linaro gives us pretty much the same kind of patches we get from gcc | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | though ubuntu sometimes takes debian heritage things in, for MIPS, let's say | 13:10 |
| drf__ | and I bet the toolchain is paired, so that combination of gcc and eglibc gets the most testing (which is imho a good reason by itself to switch) | 13:10 |
| drf__ | maybe we can patch it out | 13:10 |
| Uninstall_ | Stskeeps: I would like to use that stable release as base for eglibc/gcc testing so we can assume that if something breaks is due too gcc/eglibc fault | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 13:11 |
| yunta | Stskeeps: timoph: I've heard you're doing something core-analysis related. is that true? | 13:11 |
| drf__ | Uninstall_, Stskeeps: so shall we try 2013.07(-01) for both gcc and eglibc? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:12 |
| drf__ | cool | 13:13 |
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| notmart | sent a mail to mer-general reminding the meeting | 13:32 |
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| timoph | yunta: yep. going to make at least basics of it work and write my thesis about it | 14:07 |
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| timoph | i just haven't been able to work on it as much i hoped so it's progressing pretty slowly atm | 14:10 |
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| yunta | timoph: awesome. do you have any document about what you're planning to do? | 14:22 |
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