Friday, 2013-07-26

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dm8tbrgood moaning06:22
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dimitris91good morning!07:40
Stskeepsgood morning07:40
dimitris91in the raspberry pi kickstart07:41
dimitris91there is this line : repo --name=mer-core --baseurl=http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/armv6l/packages --save --debuginfo --source07:41
dimitris91can you tell me what --save --debuginfo --source do?07:42
dimitris91i think i can guess but just to be sure07:42
dimitris91:)07:42
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Stskeeps--save means it gets stored in /etc/zypp/repos.d07:43
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Stskeeps--debuginfo means add the debuginfo repository07:44
Stskeeps--source.. well, guess07:44
Stskeeps:P07:44
dimitris91Stskeeps: thanx07:44
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lbtmorning all09:01
dm8tbrgood moaning09:01
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* dm8tbr puts a cake on the table for lbt, phaeron and Stskeeps and all others I don't remember right now, in appreciation of their infrastructure work for Mer09:02
lbtmmm cake!09:02
slaineallo allo's lasting impression will be good moanings and pissing against the door09:03
lbtI have other memories ;)09:03
slainelbt, Oh rennie09:04
dm8tbrronnie09:04
slaineOr zee madonna vith zee big boobies09:04
* dm8tbr just watched through all seasons, but I had that phrase even before I did09:04
* dm8tbr hands slaine a knockwurst09:05
slaineGood moaning is an international greeting standard now09:05
dm8tbrwith a little svastika on it!09:05
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rcgmorning09:09
kulvealmost booting to Mer on Ouya.. Still some kernel issues. Will need to debug more after the weekend09:09
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dm8tbrnice :)09:10
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aseigoStskeeps: ping12:23
Stskeepsaseigo: pong12:24
aseigoStskeeps: hey :) when is the next scheduled mer meeting, if any?12:24
Stskeepsaseigo: nothing scheduled atm but feel free to propose one12:24
aseigook .. yeah, we'll need to get together to discuss a few things. the development of mer is becoming increasingly troublesome; i think we need to come with some proposals as to how to tame the beast a bit. continual forward progress development is leaving more pain than gain.12:26
aseigois there a usual day of the week preferred?12:26
Stskeepsany is usually good, but tuesday-wednesdays are usually good for me12:27
aseigonotmart: what works better for you next week .. tuesday or wednesday?12:27
notmartaseigo: has to be after wednesday12:27
Stskeepsdo remember that we do need help in some areas that can make things easier12:28
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aseigonotmart: ok.. week after that?12:28
notmartwek after anywhere is perfect12:28
aseigoStskeeps: yes, that's fine. we need some processes defined so that can happen12:28
Stskeepsnod12:28
notmartut in general from wednesday evening/night on12:28
aseigoStskeeps: august 6 work for you?12:28
Stskeepsaseigo: should be.. lemme put it in calendar12:29
aseigocool... notmart?12:29
Stskeepshrrm12:29
Stskeepsactually let's make it 7th, company planning day on 6th12:29
notmartyeah, perfect12:29
Stskeepsif possible12:29
aseigo7th works for me.12:29
aseigonotmart: 7th good for you too?12:29
notmartsure12:30
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notmartright now, i'm pretty much bisecting problems happened at some point somewhere in the stack.. but can not really rebuild packages against any mer-core release, blocked on whatever is available i nemo, became quite a mess12:31
notmartand only going to get worse as time passes12:31
Stskeeps:nod: though you're also still on an older version aren't you?12:31
notmartaanyways.. time?12:31
notmartStskeeps: pretty much i'm desperately trying on any version, old and new ;)12:32
Stskeepsoki12:32
notmartbut any "finished os" that gets released should always be on a fixed release, no matter how gets old imo..12:32
notmartthat of course shifts the burden of maintaining that particular one to whoever releases that finished os image12:33
notmartaaanyways, 7th august..12:33
notmarttime?12:33
Stskeepsfeel free to select a time, during european day time12:33
notmart14:00?12:33
Stskeepsok12:33
Stskeeps.. UTC?12:33
notmartugh, timezones12:34
notmartfor me the same, 14:00 utc, ie 16:00 cest?12:34
Stskeepsok12:34
notmartaseigo: ok that time?12:35
Stskeepsi do want to move to something that's more branch-able, at least12:36
notmartUninstall_: maybe is something could be interestig to attend also for you guys12:37
notmartyep, definitely12:37
lbtI may be in .fi on 7th12:37
Uninstall_notmart: hello12:38
* Uninstall_ needs to read the backlog12:39
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Uninstall_drf__: ping12:39
lbtyes - so 5/6/7 aug is not good for me :(12:40
aseigonotmart: that time works for me, yes12:40
aseigolbt: erg ... what days work for you?12:41
drf__Uninstall_: pong12:41
drf__should I backlog?12:41
Uninstall_drf__: meeting about mer development12:41
lbt! 5/6/7 aug  :)12:41
Merbotlbt: Error: "5/6/7" is not a valid command.12:41
drf__Uninstall_: now or in the backlog?12:41
Uninstall_drf__: scheduling12:41
notmartjust planning for one12:41
drf__k12:41
lbtand > 3 Aug would be good too12:42
Uninstall_what about Monday or Tuesday?12:42
lbtand >= 3 Aug would be good too12:42
notmartto me just has to be >= 1 aug12:42
Uninstall_aseigo: what's the agenda for the meeting?12:43
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lbt"a stable mer"   ?12:43
aseigolbt: stable mer development .. not quite the same thing12:45
Uninstall_something a bit more specific?12:45
notmartsomething like that..12:45
Stskeeps'branching mer for products', perhaps12:45
drf__3 aug is ok to me12:45
aseigoStskeeps: that's a part of it; there are other issues though i think12:45
drf__actually, I have no big preference atm12:45
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aseigo(introducinig a butrfs that breaks the installer was pretty fantastic, for example)12:45
notmartto me in kindof the ability for who builds on top to take an arbitrary release and build on top (and have that building undefinitely)12:46
lbtaseigo: so related to QA and test coverage and feedback processes12:46
notmarteasy if i had my own obs server.. but should be doable with the one server on merproject..12:46
Stskeepsdo note that hw adaptations are out of scope of mer; but naturally they should be branchable themselves  -- when it comes to non-virtual machine x86, it's not getting a terribly lot of love12:47
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Stskeepsso maybe those should be seperate12:47
aseigoit really has nothing to do with hw adaptations12:47
lbtI think that specific issue could be argued as an adaptation point12:48
lbtbut in general I think it's mer changes and the impact on product builds depending on core12:48
lbtie ensuring that a change can be assessed by an external product build QA process12:49
Stskeepsanyway - good topics for on the day12:49
Stskeepsaseigo: notmart: let's do it structured and have an agenda?12:50
Bostikhmmmmm...12:51
aseigoyes, we can get an agenda together and pass it around 1-2 days before the meeting12:51
Stskeepsthans12:51
Stskeepsk12:51
lbthttp://www.doodle.com/ scheduling?12:52
drf__++12:52
aseigolbt: that's where the issues tend to be noticed, yes; the question is how to make that interface point as reliable as possible. otherwise adaptations are not particularly feasible.12:52
aseigo3rd of august is fine for me12:52
notmartok, let's do 312:52
Stskeepsok12:52
jussilbt: beer if you are here?12:53
jussion me?12:53
lbt:)12:53
notmart3 august, 14:00 utc, 16:00 cest12:54
jussiso when is the meeting? and is anyone free to attend?12:54
jussihehe12:54
Stskeeps#mer-meeting and yes12:54
jussinotmart: I think you read my mind12:54
notmarthm, still having broken btrfs, no matter what combination of package version, great :/12:56
Uninstall_Stskeeps: by the way we have to address eblibc 2.17/ gcc 4.81 Q&A problem12:59
StskeepsUninstall_: i think we should start by preparing the packages13:00
Uninstall_I can start with eglibc specs13:01
Stskeepsremember to align somewhat with what ubuntu has13:01
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Stskeepsas that's what linaro gcc is tested with13:02
Uninstall_Stskeeps: sure13:02
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drf__btw13:03
drf__linaro's gcc is' still 4.8.0+git13:03
drf__but as long as we move to the 4.8 branch, it'll be a quick upgrade afterwards13:03
Stskeeps.. also, we're thinking linaro gcc, right13:04
drf__ah sorry13:04
drf__last release is actually 4.8.113:04
drf__I missed out on that one13:04
drf__https://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/+announcement/1178013:04
drf__which is awesome news13:04
drf__I guess we should start with 2013.07 then13:04
Uninstall_Stskeeps: you told me that you are kind of freezing mer for next release, right?13:06
StskeepsUninstall_: yes, prerelease went out yesterday, then we test in next_* and test various targets13:07
Stskeepsjust admitting bugfixes atm13:07
drf__Stskeeps: just checking: are we talking http://releases.linaro.org/13.06/components/toolchain/eglibc-linaro ?13:07
drf__(actually, http://releases.linaro.org/13.07/components/toolchain/eglibc-linaro )13:08
Stskeepsheh, now there's something i didn't know existed13:08
drf__:)13:08
drf__we might consider using that13:08
Stskeepsif it makes sense to go for eglibc-linaro, let's do so, but so far i've followed ubuntu eglibc13:08
drf__Stskeeps: well, eglibc-linaro gives us pretty much the same kind of patches we get from gcc13:09
Stskeepsnod13:10
Stskeepsthough ubuntu sometimes takes debian heritage things in, for MIPS, let's say13:10
drf__and I bet the toolchain is paired, so that combination of gcc and eglibc gets the most testing (which is imho a good reason by itself to switch)13:10
drf__maybe we can patch it out13:10
Uninstall_Stskeeps: I would like to use that stable release as base for eglibc/gcc testing so we can assume that if something breaks is due too gcc/eglibc fault13:10
Stskeepsmakes sense13:11
yuntaStskeeps: timoph: I've heard you're doing something core-analysis related. is that true?13:11
drf__Uninstall_, Stskeeps: so shall we try 2013.07(-01) for both gcc and eglibc?13:12
Stskeepsok13:12
drf__cool13:13
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notmartsent a mail to mer-general reminding the meeting13:32
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timophyunta: yep. going to make at least basics of it work and write my thesis about it14:07
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timophi just haven't been able to work on it as much i hoped so it's progressing pretty slowly atm14:10
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yuntatimoph: awesome. do you have any document about what you're planning to do?14:22
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timophyunta: nothing worth publishing yet. I'll add info about it to the wiki asap18:22
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