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| Stskeeps | [ol]: ping | 06:19 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: btw, am reviewing everything, just merging things carefully to validate them :) i've reached a good stable point now so it'll be a prerelease probably | 06:35 |
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| Stskeeps | and then merge more risky stuff after that cycle is done | 06:37 |
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| jusa_ | hm how should the mer-tools etc be located now when meego.com is no more? I have just used my trusty old sdk since everything has been working, but just wondering.. | 07:40 |
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| dm8tbr | I think the wiki was mostly updated | 07:41 |
| dm8tbr | pointing to build.merproject.org | 07:41 |
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| jusa_ | latest rolling sdk package has meego.com urls :) | 07:41 |
| jusa_ | *sdk-chroot | 07:41 |
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| dm8tbr | sounds like a bug then :) | 07:41 |
| Bostik | and a quick look with browser shows some pretty promising things at http://repo.merproject.org/releases/Mer-Tools/ | 07:41 |
| jusa_ | ah so it does map pretty directly to new domain | 07:42 |
| jusa_ | good good.. | 07:42 |
| timoph | jusa_: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mer.general/711 | 07:42 |
| jusa_ | timoph: thanks! | 07:42 |
| timoph | np | 07:43 |
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| timoph | lbt: any eta for getting that fixed in the rolling package? | 07:44 |
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| jusa_ | I added a workaround note to wiki page for now.. | 07:53 |
| dimitris91 | anyone knows how to start gui by hand? | 07:53 |
| dimitris91 | Because there was some problem and it didn't work automatically | 07:53 |
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| dimitris91 | i used the kickstart file for raspberry pi | 08:25 |
| dimitris91 | and the X server isn't starting | 08:26 |
| dimitris91 | could anyone help? | 08:26 |
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| sledges | dimitris91, view /usr/bin/startx with what parameters it launches Xorg | 09:46 |
| faenil | sledges, o/ | 09:46 |
| sledges | yikes, you found me 8) | 09:47 |
| faenil | lol | 09:47 |
| dimitris91 | sledges, there not such file at all | 09:48 |
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| sledges | dijenerate_, is there /usr/bin/Xorg ? :) | 09:57 |
| sledges | dimitris91, ^ | 09:57 |
| sledges | soz ;) | 09:57 |
| faenil | sledges, eheheh fell into the trap eh? :P | 09:59 |
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| sledges | faenil, lol indeed :)) | 10:00 |
| dimitris91 | yeah but i cannot read it... | 10:03 |
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| dimitris91 | here is the output of journalctl | 10:47 |
| dimitris91 | http://pastie.org/8170405 | 10:48 |
| Bostik | qmlviewer not installed? | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah right, qmlviewer -> /usr/lib/qt4/bin/qmlviewer | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 10:49 |
| dimitris91 | i have it installed | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | ie, if something says /usr/bin/qmlviewer, use /usr/lib/qt4/bin/qmlviewer | 10:50 |
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| dimitris91 | Stskeeps, thanx it worked | 10:58 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: by the way, more risky stuff = glib2? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, and nss/nspr | 11:00 |
| Uninstall | RIGHT | 11:00 |
| Uninstall | *right | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | so i'll get this set testing first | 11:01 |
| Uninstall | by the way poppler is waiting some review too, it shouldn't be too risky | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:01 |
| Uninstall | and it has some bug fixes for security holes ;) | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 11:01 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: libarchive is there too, it shouldn't be risky too and it seems fairly simple | 11:02 |
| dimitris91 | should i correct this also in the kickstart file you provide in rpi wiki? | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | dimitris91: feel free | 11:04 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 11:04 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: as soon as we can break stuff I would go for eglibc and gcc | 11:04 |
| dimitris91 | Stskeeps: ok | 11:04 |
| Uninstall | recently I've been thinking about gcc 4.8.1 that has full C++11 and support for decltype that should speed up QObject::connect | 11:05 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: if we have some spare time I would try to update also the font stack: we might update to latest freetype, fontconfig, droidfonts and liberation fonts to provide improved font experience | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | those sounds good | 11:07 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: do we want to wait until next cycle for fonts or anticipate it? | 11:08 |
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| Uninstall | they should pretty safe, but if we apply that changes to font stack I would like to see them validated by jolla people, I wouldn't like to break their UIs | 11:09 |
| Uninstall | anyway lunch time for me | 11:09 |
| Uninstall | see you later | 11:09 |
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| Uninstall | oh, just one last thing: I'm not sure if updating boost is a good idea, it might break a lot of things, some distros are stuck to .49 | 11:10 |
| Uninstall | but it has a security hole that needs to be fixed | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | once the python x86_64 fix is built i'll do a prerelease and we'll see how things fare | 11:10 |
| Bostik | hurk, "update boost" sounds like an exercise in pain | 11:12 |
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| dimitris91 | i'm now trying to make an image for pandaboard | 11:54 |
| dimitris91 | and it fails with these messages | 11:54 |
| dimitris91 | http://pastie.org/8170548 | 11:55 |
| dimitris91 | that's the link | 11:55 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: Were you looking for me? | 12:25 |
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| Stskeeps | [ol]: had a x86_64 issue but i solved it | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | with python | 12:28 |
| [ol] | What issue? | 12:30 |
| [ol] | Tests? | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that dl and imgop wasn't built for 64-bit | 12:30 |
| [ol] | Yes, that's expected. | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | dl i was a bit surprised about | 12:32 |
| [ol] | I was surprised too, but that's what Python does. Looks like some 32-bit code nobody wants to fix. | 12:34 |
| [ol] | Or at least what I remember from last December when I was building it. | 12:34 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: BTW, what do you think about latest initiative among Fedora developers to make Fedora distribution modular? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | [ol]: it's almost like some people paid attention when i suggested doing mobile cores and keep focus on the common things we do.. | 12:39 |
| [ol] | From what I understand, they want Fedora to have minimal core, similar to what Mer Core is. | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:41 |
| [ol] | But unlike Mer, it already has newest GCC, Boost and other packages. So I think, it would be great to share efforts like you suggested. | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps - but it also comes down to not being a mobile-fit core -- let's see how it pans out | 12:43 |
| [ol] | Or if there is some political disagreement against joining cores, some packages can be taken straight from Fedora and rebuilt inside Mer. | 12:43 |
| [ol] | Currently Mer Core is not completely minimal anyway. | 12:44 |
| [ol] | Stskeeps: You are already aware of all this stuff, so I'll briefly describe what's going on to others who read this channel. | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 12:46 |
| [ol] | There has started movement in Fedora to make it modular. There should be a very minimal core (codenamed "Ring 0"), which is a JEOS (Just Enough OS). This sounds like Mer Core, but even more minimal. | 12:48 |
| [ol] | On top of that there should be Ring 1, containing compilers and other non-GUI development tools, similar to Mer SDK. | 12:49 |
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| aknight | [ol]: where does the kernel go? how about qt? | 12:50 |
| [ol] | And then on top of that there'll be Ring 2 consisting of various modules, sontaining desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, etc.), databases, and other stuff. I think it's somewhat similar (by the level, not contents) to Nemo Middleware, but I'm not sure. | 12:51 |
| Bostik | from what I understood, fedora core would be just about mer-core without qt (and deps that only satisfy qt) | 12:51 |
| [ol] | aknight: Kernel goes to Ring 1, Qt - to Ring 2 (I think). | 12:52 |
| aknight | seems reasonable | 12:52 |
| [ol] | And there will be also Ring 3 containing applications for users. | 12:55 |
| [ol] | Anyway. as Russian proverb says, why should I sing you a Beatles song when you can listen to Beatles album? :-) | 12:56 |
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| Bostik | some ideas are just too good to be left unstolen | 12:56 |
| [ol] | Here's a link to the news: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/23/0133241/fedora-project-developer-proposes-layered-more-agile-design-to-distribution | 12:56 |
| [ol] | Here are draft slides: http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/ | 12:57 |
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| test_ | wow people are actually on? | 14:43 |
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| sledges | whois test_ | 14:46 |
| sledges | lol yes | 14:46 |
| sledges | very much so | 14:46 |
| sledges | i see you were just testing ;) | 14:47 |
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| iig00cz | will mer run X11 programs? | 19:19 |
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| faenil | iig00cz, indeed, if you set it up accordingly | 19:27 |
| faenil | Nemomobile currently runs x11 | 19:27 |
| iig00cz | this sounds confusing | 19:27 |
| iig00cz | what is mer, then? | 19:27 |
| faenil | (switch to Wayland is work in progress) | 19:27 |
| iig00cz | a linux distro? | 19:27 |
| faenil | mer is a Core | 19:28 |
| iig00cz | I'm having trouble following | 19:28 |
| faenil | iig00cz, here's what Mer is http://releases.merproject.org/releases/next/builds/i486/packages/i486/ | 19:28 |
| iig00cz | ah, so it's just an RPM-based linux distribution? | 19:28 |
| faenil | Mer is not a UI, it's just the core | 19:28 |
| iig00cz | right | 19:29 |
| faenil | on top of Mer you can add more middleware and UI | 19:29 |
| faenil | Nemomobile and Nemo being an example of middleware and UI built on top of Mer | 19:29 |
| faenil | maybe Stskeeps can clear your ideas better, he's Mer's project architect | 19:29 |
| faenil | (but he could be busy with his son atm) | 19:31 |
| iig00cz | thanks for the info | 19:31 |
| iig00cz | faenil: why use mer as opposed to some other RPM distribution? | 19:31 |
| faenil | now, I need to summon Stskeeps :D | 19:32 |
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| iig00cz | hehe | 19:32 |
| faenil | iig00cz, I'm just one of nemomobile's contributors ;) | 19:32 |
| iig00cz | see, I just bought a pengpod, it should be at my doorstep in a few hours | 19:32 |
| iig00cz | it runs android on internal flash, but you can make it boot from a linux sd card | 19:33 |
| iig00cz | I noticed there's already a mer tarball for the pengpod, so I'm considering it | 19:33 |
| iig00cz | I'm also considering building my own archlinux image | 19:33 |
| faenil | oh :) | 19:33 |
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| crevetor | hey guys | 21:43 |
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| crevetor | I have one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamPlug and was wondering how hard it would be to get mer running on it. | 21:44 |
| crevetor | I don't think we have arm9 builds right ? | 21:44 |
| vgrade | don't think so | 21:47 |
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| iig00cz | vgrade: getting a set of arm9 builds shouldn't be hard | 22:02 |
| iig00cz | I'm sure with some tinkering you could get it running | 22:02 |
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