Wednesday, 2013-07-24

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Stskeeps[ol]: ping06:19
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StskeepsUninstall: btw, am reviewing everything, just merging things carefully to validate them :) i've reached a good stable point now so it'll be a prerelease probably06:35
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Stskeepsand then merge more risky stuff after that cycle is done06:37
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jusa_hm how should the mer-tools etc be located now when meego.com is no more? I have just used my trusty old sdk since everything has been working, but just wondering..07:40
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dm8tbrI think the wiki was mostly updated07:41
dm8tbrpointing to build.merproject.org07:41
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jusa_latest rolling sdk package has meego.com urls :)07:41
jusa_*sdk-chroot07:41
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dm8tbrsounds like a bug then :)07:41
Bostikand a quick look with browser shows some pretty promising things at http://repo.merproject.org/releases/Mer-Tools/07:41
jusa_ah so it does map pretty directly to new domain07:42
jusa_good good..07:42
timophjusa_: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mer.general/71107:42
jusa_timoph: thanks!07:42
timophnp07:43
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timophlbt: any eta for getting that fixed in the rolling package?07:44
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jusa_I added a workaround note to wiki page for now..07:53
dimitris91anyone knows how to start gui by hand?07:53
dimitris91Because there was some problem and it didn't work automatically07:53
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dimitris91i used the kickstart file for raspberry pi08:25
dimitris91and the X server isn't starting08:26
dimitris91could anyone help?08:26
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sledgesdimitris91, view /usr/bin/startx with what parameters it launches Xorg09:46
faenilsledges, o/09:46
sledgesyikes, you found me 8)09:47
faenillol09:47
dimitris91sledges, there not such file at all09:48
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sledgesdijenerate_, is there /usr/bin/Xorg ? :)09:57
sledgesdimitris91, ^09:57
sledgessoz ;)09:57
faenilsledges, eheheh fell into the trap eh? :P09:59
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sledgesfaenil, lol indeed :))10:00
dimitris91yeah but i cannot read it...10:03
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dimitris91here is the output of journalctl10:47
dimitris91http://pastie.org/817040510:48
Bostikqmlviewer not installed?10:49
Stskeepsah right, qmlviewer -> /usr/lib/qt4/bin/qmlviewer10:49
Stskeepsprobably10:49
dimitris91i have it installed10:50
Stskeepsie, if something says /usr/bin/qmlviewer, use /usr/lib/qt4/bin/qmlviewer10:50
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dimitris91Stskeeps, thanx it worked10:58
UninstallStskeeps: by the way, more risky stuff = glib2?10:59
Stskeepsyes, and nss/nspr11:00
UninstallRIGHT11:00
Uninstall*right11:00
Stskeepsso i'll get this set testing first11:01
Uninstallby the way poppler is waiting some review too, it shouldn't be too risky11:01
Stskeeps:nod:11:01
Uninstalland it has some bug fixes for security holes ;)11:01
Stskeepsyep11:01
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UninstallStskeeps: libarchive is there too, it shouldn't be risky too and it seems fairly simple11:02
dimitris91should i correct this also in the kickstart file you provide in rpi wiki?11:03
Stskeepsdimitris91: feel free11:04
fk_lx:-)11:04
UninstallStskeeps: as soon as we can break stuff I would go for eglibc and gcc11:04
dimitris91Stskeeps: ok11:04
Uninstallrecently I've been thinking about gcc 4.8.1 that has full C++11 and support for decltype that should speed up QObject::connect11:05
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UninstallStskeeps: if we have some spare time I would try to update also the font stack: we might update to latest freetype, fontconfig, droidfonts and liberation fonts to provide improved font experience11:07
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Stskeepsthose sounds good11:07
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UninstallStskeeps: do we want to wait until next cycle for fonts or anticipate it?11:08
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Uninstallthey should pretty safe, but if we apply that changes to font stack I would like to see them validated by jolla people, I wouldn't like to break their UIs11:09
Uninstallanyway lunch time for me11:09
Uninstallsee you later11:09
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Uninstalloh, just one last thing: I'm not sure if updating boost is a good idea, it might break a lot of things, some distros are stuck to .4911:10
Uninstallbut it has a security hole that needs to be fixed11:10
Stskeepsonce the python x86_64 fix is built i'll do a prerelease and we'll see how things fare11:10
Bostikhurk, "update boost" sounds like an exercise in pain11:12
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dimitris91i'm now trying to make an image for pandaboard11:54
dimitris91and it fails with these messages11:54
dimitris91http://pastie.org/817054811:55
dimitris91that's the link11:55
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[ol]Stskeeps: Were you looking for me?12:25
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Stskeeps[ol]: had a x86_64 issue but i solved it12:28
Stskeepswith python12:28
[ol]What issue?12:30
[ol]Tests?12:30
Stskeepsnah, that dl and imgop wasn't built for 64-bit12:30
[ol]Yes, that's expected.12:32
Stskeepsdl i was a bit surprised about12:32
[ol]I was surprised too, but that's what Python does. Looks like some 32-bit code nobody wants to fix.12:34
[ol]Or at least what I remember from last December when I was building it.12:34
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[ol]Stskeeps: BTW, what do you think about latest initiative among Fedora developers to make Fedora distribution modular?12:38
Stskeeps[ol]: it's almost like some people paid attention when i suggested doing mobile cores and keep focus on the common things we do..12:39
[ol]From what I understand, they want Fedora to have minimal core, similar to what Mer Core is.12:40
Stskeeps:nod:12:41
[ol]But unlike Mer, it already has newest GCC, Boost and other packages. So I think, it would be great to share efforts like you suggested.12:42
Stskeepsperhaps - but it also comes down to not being a mobile-fit core -- let's see how it pans out12:43
[ol]Or if there is some political disagreement against joining cores, some packages can be taken straight from Fedora and rebuilt inside Mer.12:43
[ol]Currently Mer Core is not completely minimal anyway.12:44
[ol]Stskeeps: You are already aware of all this stuff, so I'll briefly describe what's going on to others who read this channel.12:46
Stskeepsyep12:46
[ol]There has started movement in Fedora to make it modular. There should be a very minimal core (codenamed "Ring 0"), which is a JEOS (Just Enough OS). This sounds like Mer Core, but even more minimal.12:48
[ol]On top of that there should be Ring 1, containing compilers and other non-GUI development tools, similar to Mer SDK.12:49
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aknight[ol]: where does the kernel go? how about qt?12:50
[ol]And then on top of that there'll be Ring 2 consisting of various modules, sontaining desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, etc.), databases, and other stuff. I think it's somewhat similar (by the level, not contents) to Nemo Middleware, but I'm not sure.12:51
Bostikfrom what I understood, fedora core would be just about mer-core without qt (and deps that only satisfy qt)12:51
[ol]aknight: Kernel goes to Ring 1, Qt - to Ring 2 (I think).12:52
aknightseems reasonable12:52
[ol]And there will be also Ring 3 containing applications for users.12:55
[ol]Anyway. as Russian proverb says, why should I sing you a Beatles song when you can listen to Beatles album? :-)12:56
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Bostiksome ideas are just too good to be left unstolen12:56
[ol]Here's a link to the news: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/23/0133241/fedora-project-developer-proposes-layered-more-agile-design-to-distribution12:56
[ol]Here are draft slides: http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/12:57
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test_wow people are actually on?14:43
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sledgeswhois test_14:46
sledgeslol yes14:46
sledgesvery much so14:46
sledgesi see you were just testing ;)14:47
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* CosmoHill 's hard drives turned up today :)17:10
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iig00czwill mer run X11 programs?19:19
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faeniliig00cz, indeed, if you set it up accordingly19:27
faenilNemomobile currently runs x1119:27
iig00czthis sounds confusing19:27
iig00czwhat is mer, then?19:27
faenil(switch to Wayland is work in progress)19:27
iig00cza linux distro?19:27
faenilmer is a Core19:28
iig00czI'm having trouble following19:28
faeniliig00cz, here's what Mer is http://releases.merproject.org/releases/next/builds/i486/packages/i486/19:28
iig00czah, so it's just an RPM-based linux distribution?19:28
faenilMer is not a UI, it's just the core19:28
iig00czright19:29
faenilon top of Mer you can add more middleware and UI19:29
faenilNemomobile and Nemo being an example of middleware and UI built on top of Mer19:29
faenilmaybe Stskeeps can clear your ideas better, he's Mer's project architect19:29
faenil(but he could be busy with his son atm)19:31
iig00czthanks for the info19:31
iig00czfaenil: why use mer as opposed to some other RPM distribution?19:31
faenilnow, I need to summon Stskeeps :D19:32
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iig00czhehe19:32
faeniliig00cz, I'm just one of nemomobile's contributors ;)19:32
iig00czsee, I just bought a pengpod, it should be at my doorstep in a few hours19:32
iig00czit runs android on internal flash, but you can make it boot from a linux sd card19:33
iig00czI noticed there's already a mer tarball for the pengpod, so I'm considering it19:33
iig00czI'm also considering building my own archlinux image19:33
faeniloh :)19:33
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crevetorhey guys21:43
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crevetorI have one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamPlug and was wondering how hard it would be to get mer running on it.21:44
crevetorI don't think we have arm9 builds right ?21:44
vgradedon't think so21:47
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iig00czvgrade: getting a set of arm9 builds shouldn't be hard22:02
iig00czI'm sure with some tinkering you could get it running22:02
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CosmoHillnight night22:59
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