Monday, 2013-07-15

berndhsmorning00:04
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timophmorn05:48
Stskeepsmorn timoph05:48
timophStskeeps: you're back at the grinder this week?05:49
Stskeepsin an hour or so05:49
timophgood05:49
timophwas thinking that I really need to start working on the analysis stuff this week05:49
Stskeepsmakes sense :)05:50
timophnow that my vacation is over I don't have that much time to do nothing anyway :)05:51
Stskeepshehe05:51
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andoresu151hi07:03
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andoresu151can Mer run on a Nook Simple Touch?07:22
Stskeepsisn't that kinda locked down?07:23
andoresu151I've seen doc about MeeGo running on Nook color http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Nook_Color but, not in Nook Simple Touch, so I wondered if it can run on it.07:25
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dm8tbrandoresu151: if you can fastboot, then it might be possible. still someone would need to create the hardware adaptation...07:29
andoresu151dm8tbr: how can I make that and how can I help to get mer to work with this?07:29
dm8tbrandoresu151: what have you done with embedded linux so far?07:30
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andoresu151dm8tbr: I'm sorry, I've not made anything with this.07:32
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andoresu151dm8tbr: Sorry, my connection failed. As I said, I've not worked with embedded linux before.07:48
dm8tbrthat will make it quite hard for you if you work alone07:49
dm8tbryou probably would need to find some other people to work together with07:49
andoresu151dm8tbr: I see.07:50
andoresu151dm8tbr: What can I do. How can I start?07:50
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dm8tbrandoresu151: find out if your tablet can even run custom operating systems08:08
dm8tbrandoresu151: if so, then the xda people probably found out  by now08:08
andoresu151dm8tbr: I see, thank you08:15
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iekku_mer bug triage!11:00
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UninstallStskeeps: to be honest openssl upgrade is a nightmare13:31
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StskeepsUninstall: +115:08
UninstallStskeeps: +1 for the nightmare?15:08
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Stskeepsas in, openssl packaging is a nightmare :P15:09
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BostikStskeeps: "what could possibly go wrong?"15:54
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rebkHi. What's Mer?18:18
rebkI was looking at a channel list, and was curious.18:18
fk_lxmerproject.org18:21
CosmoHillrebk: what made you wanna join a random channel?18:22
fk_lxit's a cool, open source mobile optimised distribution developed in the open :-)18:22
fk_lxbriefly speaking :-)18:22
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rebkMobile optimised distribution...? What does that actually mean?18:28
rebkI swear I'm not trolling. Just curious.18:29
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rebkI'm reading wikipedia, it's all French to me. I gather it's something about computer stuff :D18:29
fk_lxrebk: yeah18:30
fk_lxrebk: exactly :-)18:30
fk_lxand mer means in French sea18:30
rebkSo everyone here helps work on it?18:30
fk_lxrebk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_(operating_system)18:31
fk_lxrebk: I think most of the people here contribute in some way, either code or documentation or evangelising (spreading the word)18:32
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fk_lxrebk: it is really an important stuff, Mer it's about openness, about having control over the device you use with this software18:33
fk_lxrebk: and most of all it's an open source software which means you can be quite sure that the software your phone has is not spying you and sending stuff about you to NSA or some corporations who want to interfere in your privacy18:36
fk_lxrebk: I recommend you to check http://jolla.com/18:36
fk_lxrebk: it is a company that is developing a phone which is based on stuff from mer project18:37
fk_lxrebk: it is a true innovation and you will probably here about it when the phone will hit the shelves later this year and next one18:38
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rebkWow, cool.18:41
rebkMy phone isn't even rooted :P18:41
rebkI'm old and computer-dumb.18:41
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fk_lxrebk: on Jolla phone you will not have to root anything - the phone is open18:49
fk_lxrebk: it's giving control to the phone user and respecting him18:49
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rebkI like that, fk_lx. Is there a way to get all that on a phone before those phones come out?19:08
rebkLike, can a user just go and put Mer on his phone?19:08
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fk_lxrebk: actually what you are looking is something based on Mer19:11
fk_lxrebk: Mer is more like a base for mobile OSes19:11
fk_lxrebk: so there is Nemo Mobile which is based on Mer and is fully open, but still work in progress19:11
fk_lxrebk: you can try it on some of the phones, that support it19:12
fk_lxrebk: but of course it's not perfect19:12
fk_lxrebk: you can see how it works for example here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv8Q7iDRw7o19:13
fk_lxrebk: or here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1dZ4vghY419:13
rebkSo Mer is not an operating system, then... But Nemo Mobile is?19:13
fk_lxrebk: the second one more current, but in French ;-)19:14
fk_lxrebk: Mer is an operating system, but without UI, so no homescreen, icons, or typical GUI apps19:14
fk_lxrebk: so there are different solutions that use Mer as a base19:14
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fk_lxrebk: for example Plasma Active running on tablets is also based on Mer19:15
fk_lxrebk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7isMAmwW019:15
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joseluis_hi20:34
joseluis_how I can install mer on a tablet?20:34
CosmoHillwhat tablet?20:36
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joseluis_comoHill: on a generic tablet20:43
joseluis_cpu= Cortex-A9 with Mail 40020:44
CosmoHillthat's what i wanted to know20:44
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joseluis_ah ok20:45
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joseluis_how i can install mer on this tablet?20:47
CosmoHilli have no idea20:47
joseluis_umm20:47
CosmoHilldoes it have a sd card?20:47
CosmoHillwhat kind of boot loader20:47
CosmoHillI'm just asking questions to get info for smarter people20:47
joseluis_I'm going to investigate that information20:48
ali1234you should follow the instructions for some tablet which is similar to yours20:48
CosmoHillbehold a smarter person20:48
CosmoHillhi ali123420:48
ali1234by similar means same CPU, same default OS, same type of flash memory where root is installed20:49
joseluis_vivaldi tablet is similar to this tablet20:49
ali1234and then you will still probably need to change a few things20:49
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ali1234you better be aware of how to unbrick it too if you are breaking new ground so to speak20:49
CosmoHillI wonder if i could run mer on a chomebook20:50
joseluis_ahh ok20:51
ali1234also mer is more of a toolkit than an end product20:52
ali1234you probably want one of the child projects unless you want to put together your whole distro20:52
joseluis_ok20:52
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ali1234see https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Main_Page20:53
ali1234"End Users" section20:53
joseluis_I really want to install Plasma Active, I don't like Android20:54
ali1234http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Installation20:54
ali1234has links for various tablets20:54
ali1234try to find something similar to yours20:54
joseluis_ok thank you very much20:55
ali1234you'll probably need a custom kernel and other tweaks20:55
ali1234ooo nexus 7. i should try that at some point :)20:55
joseluis_ok20:56
joseluis_and20:56
CosmoHillif i were to get a tablet I'd install something else20:56
ali1234i have to say android is pretty good20:56
CosmoHillI don't like it where you need to register to download free stuff20:56
ali1234i do love google services too though20:56
ali1234it's more about that i guess20:57
CosmoHilli only use google maps and google at work20:57
ali1234what about youtube?20:57
joseluis_I don't like java, android is based on java, I like kde or html520:57
ali1234you won't find a better youtube app than the android one20:58
joseluis_Qt and html are pretty good20:59
joseluis_html520:59
ali1234i really don't care what it is written with as long as it works...20:59
ali1234Qt is available on android now btw21:00
ali1234it's even in the appstore21:00
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joseluis_is Qt native on android?21:01
joseluis_o is only a binding?21:02
ali1234native21:02
ali1234you can use C++ or QML21:02
joseluis_but21:02
joseluis_the android's sdk is based on java21:03
ali1234you don't have to use it21:03
ali1234you can use the NDK instead21:03
joseluis_how I can use c++21:03
joseluis_?21:03
joseluis_aahh21:03
ali1234http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html21:03
joseluis_I don't know this21:04
ali1234you didn't think when they ported GTA3, they rewrote the entire game in java?21:04
joseluis_in Android web page only offers sdk based on java21:05
ali1234java is more than enough for most apps21:06
ali1234it's not even really java anyway21:06
joseluis_aah ok21:07
joseluis_I understand21:07
ali1234any more than QML is ajax21:07
joseluis_really is Dalvin virtual macheni21:09
joseluis_machine21:09
joseluis_not java21:09
joseluis_but source code is written in java21:10
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