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| Sage | lbt: what is the current estimate for next mer release? | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: welcome home? | 17:36 |
| lbt | :) | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think we're good for a full release? | 17:37 |
| lbt | and 40m of trying to make my desktop machine boot - grub is such fun | 17:37 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: sure | 17:37 |
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| lbt | no changes to git ? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | no changes | 17:38 |
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| Uninstall | lbt: ping | 17:53 |
| lbt | o/ | 17:54 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: running | 17:54 |
| Uninstall | lbt: can I ask a couple of things about some package versions? | 17:54 |
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| lbt | sure | 17:54 |
| Uninstall | do you know why kernel-headers in mer is up to linux 3.8? | 17:54 |
| Uninstall | I don't think is a good idea, it would prevent to safely use an older kernel as I know | 17:55 |
| Uninstall | a lot of embedded hardware out there have very very old kernels | 17:55 |
| Uninstall | second question is about why we are using eglibc 2.15 instead of 2.17 | 17:56 |
| Uninstall | and last question is about why we are using gcc 2.6 instead of gcc 2.7 | 17:56 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: have you got any experience with mipsel? binutils seems to fail without any good reason | 17:58 |
| Uninstall | I've got just "Killed Job" | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: where does it kill it? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: kernel-headers are safe on older kernels | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | also, you mean 4.6 gcc | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | eglibc 2.15 - we try to follow ubuntu's as to be fairly bug compatible with linaro | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | if they have a new one, it may be a time to upgrade | 18:04 |
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| lbt | Uninstall: sorry I got called away | 18:22 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: linaro has both 2.7 and 2.8 | 18:33 |
| Uninstall | probably 2.7 is more mature | 18:33 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/9QEH5qyz | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | you mean 4.7 :) | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | so yeah, the reason we haven't moved to 4.7 yet is fairly simple: it has needed effort/orchestration and fixing of package builds | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | and i haven't had time to coordinate that | 18:43 |
| * Bostik has flashbacks from egcs 2.95 era | 18:43 | |
| Stskeeps | bef0rd: yeah, that was my first reaction.. | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | er. Bostik | 18:45 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: what's difficult with 4.7? | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: well, typically with new gcc versions compiles start breaking as it's more strict | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | so, it adds to the effort | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | plus you have to validate that the whole stack still functions properly, no compiler bugs, etc | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | which means a lot of QA | 19:11 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I understand | 19:14 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: If you need some help you can count on me, kostola and drf__ | 19:14 |
| Bostik | and do keep in mind that this validation needs to be done for all architectures, not just x86 :/ | 19:14 |
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| Uninstall | Bostik: sure | 19:16 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: have you got any idea about the mips issue that I've linked before? | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: no, show me whole build log? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | (if you did, sorry if i didn't notice) | 19:20 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/9QEH5qyz | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | chroot or kvm builds? | 19:22 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: chroot | 19:23 |
| Uninstall | I think | 19:23 |
| Uninstall | usual chroot/scratchbox I think | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | happens if you trigger a rebuild? chroot builds may be due to other stuff building on same worker | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | like getting starved for resources by let's say qtwebkit | 19:24 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: Impossible, that server has 380 Gb of ram | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | qtwebkit can kill even that, but OK :P | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | if possible, i would recommend kvm builds | 19:25 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: what's the difference? | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's just more nicely encapsulated, always sure things are cleaned up nicely afterwards, etc | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | my general experience that builds running in kvm are saner as they can concentrate on one thing, building | 19:27 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: and then sb2 runs inside the virtual machine? | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:28 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/hg9UQwiQ <-- is this dmesg output relevant? | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | can be anything from many different builds | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | does binutils work if you just osc rebuild? | 19:29 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I dind't do osc rebuild, I just let it running the scheduled build of the whole mipsel project | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:31 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: does it looks sane: http://pastebin.com/Du6QBWFx ? | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | looks quite good | 19:33 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: have you got any advice about build fails? | 19:34 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I mean can I let everything continue or should I stop and rebuild everything | 19:34 |
| Uninstall | to make sure to get something sane? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | just let everything continue | 19:34 |
| Uninstall | so the output will be always the same at the end? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be consistent yes | 19:35 |
| Uninstall | thanks | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | (not same thing, but it'll be OK) | 19:35 |
| Uninstall | ok | 19:35 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: let's talk about the kernel-headers | 19:37 |
| Uninstall | why do you say that they are safe with older kernels? | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: they are in practice - we've run with them full production mobile systems on 2.6.32 | 19:38 |
| Uninstall | I tought that I was important to match kernel-headers with the oldest kernel I will use to make sure that unavailable syscalls or structs are used | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | there was a longer discussion about this at some point here as well, i can't recall the exact phrasing, but you do not have to worry | 19:38 |
| Uninstall | uhm | 19:38 |
| Uninstall | cool | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, that was my belief too originally | 19:38 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: so what are cons about using older kernel-headers? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | usually a pain to add modern software | 19:39 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I had an horrible experience with 2.6.32 due to a missing syscall on ARM that was being used by systemd | 19:40 |
| Uninstall | that syscall was available on x86 but ARM was missing it | 19:40 |
| Uninstall | sot I thought that if we had proper kernel headers I would have avoided similar mistakes because it would have just failed at build time | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: it usually doesn't catch things in the way you'd like them to | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | some SW's include the syscall defines anyway by themselves | 19:42 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: the syscall was exported by glibc I think | 19:43 |
| Uninstall | it is a new version of one of the old file syscall | 19:43 |
| Uninstall | with flags support | 19:43 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: the issue was with accept4 | 19:46 |
| Uninstall | accept4 is not available on 2.6.32 | 19:46 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: if you are running successfully on 2.6.32 you have done some magic for sure :) | 19:47 |
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| Stskeeps | sure | 19:48 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: as you can understand I would like to avoid similar problems and I still prefer a build failure than some silent and unexpected runtime failure | 19:49 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: anyway I would really like to underline that if you need manpower for gcc and eglibc updates | 19:56 |
| Uninstall | we can help and we would like to help you | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | and understandable :) good QA is key | 19:56 |
| * drf__ is lurking and agrees with all the above | 19:57 | |
| drf__ | Stskeeps: and I'd like to add our main reason why we are interested in 4.7 is c++11 vs c++xx, given the extensive use we are making of Qt5+C++11 | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | patches are always welcome - the common goal is anyway to use less resources on doing bigger things by doing them togethe | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | r | 19:57 |
| drf__ | ++ | 19:58 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: if you want we can plan a meeting, we are at the akademy for the next week but I would like to discuss how to upgrade to some new packages | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | i'm on paternity leave right now so sometime after monday | 19:58 |
| Uninstall | sure | 19:58 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I would go for something after the 22nd | 19:58 |
| Uninstall | by the way we are at the akademy if someone of yours is there we can discuss about our plans | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: you should have a meeting with lbt... | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ^ | 19:59 |
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| lbt | yep - been a bit busy around the house | 20:00 |
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| Uninstall | lbt: some of us are at the akademy | 20:00 |
| drf__ | Stskeeps: the funny thing is that I voted 5* his talk and I forgot he was there... | 20:00 |
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| Uninstall | lbt: we would really love to discuss how we can use our man-power to help mer project | 20:01 |
| lbt | Uninstall: I'm doing a talk on saturday morning | 20:01 |
| lbt | staying until tuesday morning too | 20:01 |
| Uninstall | cool | 20:01 |
| lbt | Uninstall: sounds good to me :) | 20:01 |
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| drf__ | lbt: we'll sure catch up before that, but maybe we can schedule a meeting on Monday? looks like a good time to me | 20:02 |
| Uninstall | lbt: one of the topics will be how we can help to upgrade to more recent gcc, eglibc versions | 20:02 |
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| lbt | yes - it's a bit of a slog but shouldn't cause any major issues | 20:04 |
| drf__ | lbt: it can also happen post-conference in front of beers, just saying :P | 20:04 |
| lbt | hehe | 20:04 |
| drf__ | anyway, we'll figure out over the weekend, I guess | 20:04 |
| lbt | yep - I don't know my schedule for monday yet | 20:05 |
| lbt | I'm planning to hang around with veskuh | 20:05 |
| Uninstall | I think we'll wear Ispirata t-shirts ;) | 20:05 |
| lbt | I suspect I'll be wearing Mer and Jolla T-shirts :) | 20:06 |
| lbt | I should go for a half/half :) | 20:06 |
| Uninstall | lbt: our faces are here: http://ispirata.com/the-team/ so you will recognize us | 20:06 |
| Uninstall | just to be cleare we are not blue like smurfs ;) | 20:07 |
| lbt | ty - good reminder - long time since last december :) | 20:07 |
| drf__ | definitely :P | 20:07 |
| lbt | yay - Release is done | 20:09 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: just a note - we're a bit tight on space for next pre-release | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 20:10 |
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| lbt | also was talking to OE about infra - they may be able to help us out with a server | 20:10 |
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| Uninstall | is anyone aware of any mer build on other architectures? I mean stuff like ppc | 20:12 |
| Uninstall | *builds | 20:12 |
| lbt | no - 'only' arm/mips/x86 afaik | 20:13 |
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| Uninstall | ok | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | x86_64, too | 20:16 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: it seems that mipsel build got stuck again | 20:16 |
| Uninstall | checking for msgmerge... | 20:16 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: are you aware of any known interference if the same host is building arm and mipsel at the same time? | 20:16 |
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| lbt | Uninstall: no | 20:18 |
| lbt | Uninstall: are you using a kvm or xen setup ? | 20:18 |
| Uninstall | as I've already told I'm running sb2 on chroot | 20:18 |
| Uninstall | the whole system is running on a kvm virtual machine | 20:18 |
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| lbt | ok - that's not a config I've run | 20:20 |
| Uninstall | anyway it got just stuck without any reason and now it works properly | 20:24 |
| Uninstall | it seems that mipsel is rather buggy | 20:24 |
| lbt | it's certainly got the least attention | 20:24 |
| Uninstall | I think that mipsel codepaths are not so tested like arm, right? | 20:25 |
| lbt | we have no hardware to run it on either | 20:25 |
| lbt | and iirc we have issues with gold | 20:25 |
| lbt | so qtwebkit won't build | 20:25 |
| Uninstall | lbt: issues with gold? | 20:25 |
| lbt | yeah - lemme see | 20:25 |
| lbt | a while back we had issues enabling gold for mips - iirc there was a patch upstream that had some copyright assignment issues | 20:27 |
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| lbt | http://review.merproject.org/#patch,sidebyside,953,5,cross-mipsel-binutils.spec | 20:30 |
| lbt | "MIPS compiler targets are not supported because ld.gold is not available." http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html | 20:31 |
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| lbt | hmm http://code.google.com/p/mclinker/ | 20:33 |
| lbt | Bostik: ^^ | 20:33 |
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| Bostik | wow | 20:37 |
| Bostik | now that's an interesting project | 20:37 |
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| Uninstall | lbt: Stskeeps any plan to update systemd? | 21:02 |
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| phaeron | Uninstall: systemd is one of the things that requires very recent kernels, which as you said is no so good for embedded hardware :) | 21:15 |
| Uninstall | phaeron: are you aware of a changelog for minimum kernel version for systemd? | 21:16 |
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| phaeron | Uninstall: check the systemd release notes , they usually mention it there | 21:17 |
| phaeron | or the systemd code | 21:17 |
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| phaeron | Uninstall: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/README search for kernel | 21:19 |
| Uninstall | phaeron: cool | 21:20 |
| Uninstall | phaeron: it seems that minimum kernel version is not changed from 187 to the lastest one | 21:21 |
| phaeron | at least for n9 there was some backporting done for the kernel to accommodate the newer systemd | 21:23 |
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| Uninstall | phaeron: n | 21:28 |
| Uninstall | phaeron: I think accept4 was missing | 21:28 |
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| phaeron | you mean a kernel feature ? | 21:31 |
| Uninstall | I mean a syscall | 21:33 |
| Uninstall | accept4 is missing on 2.6.32 | 21:33 |
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| CosmoHill | night all | 21:53 |
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