| *** npm__ has quit IRC | 00:10 | |
| *** npm__ has joined #mer | 00:10 | |
| *** mbohlender has quit IRC | 00:22 | |
| *** ka6sox-away is now known as ka6sox | 00:24 | |
| *** fcorrea has quit IRC | 00:24 | |
| *** trbs2 has quit IRC | 00:24 | |
| *** bef0rd has quit IRC | 00:35 | |
| *** bef0rd has joined #mer | 00:36 | |
| *** bef0rd_ has joined #mer | 00:37 | |
| *** leinir has quit IRC | 00:52 | |
| *** leinir_ has joined #mer | 00:52 | |
| *** mdfe has quit IRC | 01:00 | |
| *** jpwhiting__ is now known as jpwhiting | 01:26 | |
| *** jpwhiting has joined #mer | 01:26 | |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 01:44 | |
| *** piyushverma has joined #mer | 01:46 | |
| *** KaIRC has quit IRC | 02:04 | |
| *** tilgovi has joined #mer | 02:06 | |
| *** Milhouse has quit IRC | 02:19 | |
| *** bef0rd_ has quit IRC | 02:27 | |
| *** bef0rd has joined #mer | 02:28 | |
| *** bef0rd has quit IRC | 02:33 | |
| *** andre__ has joined #mer | 02:33 | |
| *** whi5key has joined #mer | 02:39 | |
| *** whi5key has quit IRC | 02:40 | |
| *** bef0rd has joined #mer | 02:47 | |
| *** bef0rd has quit IRC | 02:49 | |
| *** tilgovi has quit IRC | 03:13 | |
| *** leinir_ has quit IRC | 03:19 | |
| *** pohly1 has joined #mer | 03:20 | |
| *** leinir_ has joined #mer | 03:22 | |
| *** pohly has quit IRC | 03:23 | |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 03:56 | |
| *** martyone has joined #mer | 03:56 | |
| *** Master-Passeli has quit IRC | 04:15 | |
| *** Master-Passeli has joined #mer | 04:17 | |
| *** ali1234 has joined #mer | 04:25 | |
| *** kavuri has joined #mer | 04:46 | |
| *** pcat1 has quit IRC | 04:50 | |
| *** furikku has joined #mer | 04:55 | |
| *** VDVsx has quit IRC | 05:04 | |
| *** tilgovi has joined #mer | 05:06 | |
| *** Kyle has quit IRC | 05:07 | |
| *** mvogt has quit IRC | 05:18 | |
| *** VDVsx has joined #mer | 05:27 | |
| *** mvogt has joined #mer | 05:32 | |
| *** Morpog_PC has joined #mer | 05:34 | |
| *** ka6sox has quit IRC | 05:39 | |
| *** Watcher7 is now known as Watcher7|off | 05:40 | |
| *** Morpog_PC has quit IRC | 05:44 | |
| *** plfiorini has joined #mer | 05:44 | |
| *** Sfiet_Konstantin has joined #mer | 05:46 | |
| *** ka6sox has joined #mer | 05:52 | |
| *** e8johan_ has joined #mer | 05:55 | |
| *** e8johan has quit IRC | 05:55 | |
| *** pcat has joined #mer | 05:56 | |
| *** edgar2 has joined #mer | 06:04 | |
| *** Guest33249 is now known as mord | 06:08 | |
| *** lamikr has joined #mer | 06:16 | |
| *** kavuri has quit IRC | 06:22 | |
| *** kavuri has joined #mer | 06:23 | |
| *** plfiorini has quit IRC | 06:28 | |
| *** Meiun has quit IRC | 06:39 | |
| *** Beineri has quit IRC | 06:47 | |
| *** jjarven has quit IRC | 06:52 | |
| *** leinir_ is now known as leinir | 06:56 | |
| *** Beineri has joined #mer | 06:58 | |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 07:03 | |
| *** thinkfat_ has joined #mer | 07:05 | |
| *** gabriel9|work has joined #mer | 07:05 | |
| *** jjarven has joined #mer | 07:07 | |
| *** thinkfat has quit IRC | 07:08 | |
| *** tanty has quit IRC | 07:11 | |
| *** tanty has joined #mer | 07:12 | |
| *** nodevel has quit IRC | 07:17 | |
| *** nodevel has joined #mer | 07:18 | |
| *** Miksa has joined #mer | 07:20 | |
| *** Martix has joined #mer | 07:20 | |
| *** pocek_ is now known as pocek | 07:24 | |
| *** tilgovi has quit IRC | 07:24 | |
| *** veskuh has joined #mer | 07:26 | |
| *** InformatiQ has joined #mer | 07:33 | |
| *** drussell has joined #mer | 07:42 | |
| *** niqt has joined #mer | 07:42 | |
| *** plfiorini has joined #mer | 07:47 | |
| *** lamikr has quit IRC | 07:52 | |
| *** panda84kde has joined #mer | 07:53 | |
| *** leinir has quit IRC | 07:57 | |
| *** leinir has joined #mer | 07:57 | |
| *** mvogt has quit IRC | 07:59 | |
| *** Master-Passeli has quit IRC | 08:00 | |
| *** Master-Passeli has joined #mer | 08:02 | |
| *** denexter_ has quit IRC | 08:07 | |
| *** mbohlender has joined #mer | 08:16 | |
| *** trbs2 has joined #mer | 08:18 | |
| *** InformatiQ has quit IRC | 08:21 | |
| *** notmart has joined #mer | 08:22 | |
| *** JvD__ is now known as JvD_ | 08:25 | |
| *** Aristide has joined #mer | 08:30 | |
| *** pcat has quit IRC | 08:31 | |
| Uninstall | Hello | 08:35 |
|---|---|---|
| Stskeeps | hewwo | 08:35 |
| Uninstall | I have a question: on the header of the project config I see that there is a "Do not edit... autogenerated" | 08:36 |
| Uninstall | do you have any idea where is the template? | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | check out mer/project-core | 08:36 |
| Uninstall | I mean MDS project config | 08:36 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: git repo? | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i mean :) | 08:36 |
| *** kontio_ has quit IRC | 08:37 | |
| Uninstall | cool | 08:37 |
| *** kontio has joined #mer | 08:38 | |
| *** kontio has joined #mer | 08:38 | |
| *** arcean has joined #mer | 08:40 | |
| *** abyz has joined #mer | 08:46 | |
| *** Master-Passeli has quit IRC | 08:46 | |
| *** Master-Passeli has joined #mer | 08:47 | |
| *** lamikr has joined #mer | 08:53 | |
| *** pirut has quit IRC | 08:57 | |
| *** r3d has joined #mer | 08:57 | |
| *** vgrade_ has joined #mer | 08:58 | |
| *** pirut has joined #mer | 08:58 | |
| *** pohly1 has quit IRC | 09:07 | |
| *** pohly has joined #mer | 09:07 | |
| *** vgrade_ has quit IRC | 09:11 | |
| *** Punk_Joker_ has joined #mer | 09:18 | |
| Punk_Joker_ | test | 09:18 |
| *** Punk_Joker_ has quit IRC | 09:21 | |
| *** phaeron has quit IRC | 09:25 | |
| *** kost has quit IRC | 09:26 | |
| *** kostola has joined #mer | 09:29 | |
| *** e8johan_ has quit IRC | 09:39 | |
| *** Miksa1 has joined #mer | 09:54 | |
| *** tetris4 has joined #mer | 09:57 | |
| *** Miksa has quit IRC | 09:57 | |
| *** jukkar has quit IRC | 10:06 | |
| *** penk has joined #mer | 10:06 | |
| *** Miksa1 has quit IRC | 10:07 | |
| *** Miksa has joined #mer | 10:07 | |
| *** Kyle has joined #mer | 10:08 | |
| *** ljp has quit IRC | 10:10 | |
| *** jukkar has joined #mer | 10:11 | |
| *** kavuri has quit IRC | 10:11 | |
| *** chriadam is now known as chriadam|away | 10:14 | |
| *** arcean_ has joined #mer | 10:14 | |
| *** arcean has quit IRC | 10:17 | |
| *** cxl000 has joined #mer | 10:22 | |
| *** niqt_ has joined #mer | 10:23 | |
| *** kavuri has joined #mer | 10:23 | |
| *** jooncheol2 has quit IRC | 10:24 | |
| *** jooncheol2 has joined #mer | 10:24 | |
| *** e8johan has joined #mer | 10:25 | |
| *** niqt has quit IRC | 10:26 | |
| *** mitz_ has joined #mer | 10:26 | |
| *** gabriel9 has joined #mer | 10:28 | |
| *** alexxy has quit IRC | 10:32 | |
| *** xmlich02 has quit IRC | 10:32 | |
| *** gabriel9|work has quit IRC | 10:32 | |
| *** Guest71760 has quit IRC | 10:32 | |
| *** SeekingFor has quit IRC | 10:32 | |
| *** alexxy has joined #mer | 10:33 | |
| *** Guest8702 has quit IRC | 10:33 | |
| *** trbs2 has quit IRC | 10:33 | |
| *** mikhas has joined #mer | 10:35 | |
| *** SeekingFor has joined #mer | 10:37 | |
| *** trbs2 has joined #mer | 10:38 | |
| *** niqt has joined #mer | 10:38 | |
| *** Kelteseth has joined #mer | 10:39 | |
| *** Miksa has quit IRC | 10:40 | |
| *** Miksa1 has joined #mer | 10:40 | |
| *** Miksa has joined #mer | 10:41 | |
| *** SeekingFor has quit IRC | 10:41 | |
| *** niqt_ has quit IRC | 10:41 | |
| *** SeekingFor has joined #mer | 10:42 | |
| *** Guest58875 has joined #mer | 10:44 | |
| *** Miksa1 has quit IRC | 10:45 | |
| *** phaeron has joined #mer | 10:45 | |
| *** r3d has quit IRC | 10:45 | |
| *** mikhas has quit IRC | 10:45 | |
| *** mikhas has joined #mer | 10:45 | |
| *** niqt has quit IRC | 10:46 | |
| *** mitz_ has quit IRC | 11:03 | |
| *** pohly has quit IRC | 11:05 | |
| *** KaIRC has joined #mer | 11:08 | |
| *** pohly has joined #mer | 11:12 | |
| *** Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 | 11:17 | |
| *** jpetersen has joined #mer | 11:21 | |
| *** Martix has quit IRC | 11:23 | |
| *** JLP has quit IRC | 11:24 | |
| *** JLP has joined #mer | 11:26 | |
| *** JLP has joined #mer | 11:26 | |
| *** fk_lx has joined #mer | 11:30 | |
| *** mbohlender has quit IRC | 11:30 | |
| *** e8johan_ has joined #mer | 11:30 | |
| *** e8johan has quit IRC | 11:31 | |
| *** vgrade_ has joined #mer | 11:32 | |
| *** penk has quit IRC | 11:32 | |
| vgrade_ | phaeron: ping | 11:33 |
| phaeron | pong | 11:33 |
| vgrade_ | hi | 11:33 |
| phaeron | hello | 11:33 |
| vgrade_ | I'm interested in copyprj, and see osc patches at https://github.com/mer-tools/osc/commits/master | 11:34 |
| vgrade_ | are there any related OBS patches? | 11:34 |
| phaeron | yeah that needs my patch to obs 2.3 | 11:35 |
| phaeron | not yet ported to 2.4 | 11:35 |
| *** fk_lx has quit IRC | 11:36 | |
| vgrade_ | could you link me to those | 11:36 |
| phaeron | https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/commits/mer-pending | 11:36 |
| phaeron | vgrade_: ^^ | 11:36 |
| vgrade_ | thanks | 11:37 |
| phaeron | we haven't really capitalized on that feature yet. it was supposed to be used in mer's build trials | 11:37 |
| phaeron | but imho with _service git based packaging it is much easier to just recreate the structure with a script | 11:38 |
| *** penk has joined #mer | 11:39 | |
| phaeron | vgrade_: mostly this patch https://github.com/Merproject/open-build-service/commit/53fbdfb651a4296f040cdb73da4d63551fc88336 | 11:39 |
| vgrade_ | thanks | 11:40 |
| *** nodevel has quit IRC | 11:42 | |
| vgrade_ | phaeron: we don't have git here | 11:43 |
| phaeron | I don't know where here is :) , but yeah if you depend on obs for "book keeping" then copyprj might be useful | 11:44 |
| *** kavuri has quit IRC | 11:51 | |
| bfederau | Hey. Does the debian:7.0 project on build.merproject.org provide ARM arch builds? If no is it possible to add this, say on a local mer obs instance? | 11:56 |
| *** XenGi has quit IRC | 11:58 | |
| *** kontio has quit IRC | 11:58 | |
| *** terietor has quit IRC | 11:58 | |
| *** kontio has joined #mer | 11:58 | |
| *** XenGi has joined #mer | 11:58 | |
| *** drf__ has quit IRC | 11:58 | |
| *** drf___ has joined #mer | 11:58 | |
| *** terietor_ has joined #mer | 11:58 | |
| *** Aristide has quit IRC | 12:00 | |
| phaeron | bfederau: it currently doesn't provide arm targets. I am not sure I know how to setup those for debian :) | 12:02 |
| *** xavinux has joined #mer | 12:02 | |
| *** kavuri has joined #mer | 12:04 | |
| *** martyone has quit IRC | 12:05 | |
| bfederau | phaeron: So it is not possible resp. not that easy to use the cross-compiling way of Mer for ARM builds on the obs server? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | rather, for debian | 12:06 |
| *** Aristide has joined #mer | 12:08 | |
| *** jpetersen has quit IRC | 12:10 | |
| *** kavuri has quit IRC | 12:13 | |
| *** zhxt has joined #mer | 12:15 | |
| bfederau | On the meego obs there were build targets for Harmattan. That was ARM- and deb-based too when i remeber correctly. Does those Harmattan ARM builds differs from those for standard Debian? | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes, they were not cross compiled in practice | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | no qemu arm, | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | and since they take up massive amount of power/build time, we don't have it | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:24 |
| bfederau | I see :) | 12:26 |
| *** fk_lx has joined #mer | 12:27 | |
| bfederau | Any plans to support Debian ARM cross-compiling on Mer obs in future? | 12:28 |
| *** xmlich02 has joined #mer | 12:29 | |
| *** pcat has joined #mer | 12:32 | |
| *** ericcc has joined #mer | 12:33 | |
| Stskeeps | bfederau: not really, it requires quite a lot of work from somebody's side | 12:40 |
| *** r3d has joined #mer | 12:41 | |
| *** e8johan has joined #mer | 12:42 | |
| *** e8johan_ has quit IRC | 12:42 | |
| *** jaegeri has joined #mer | 12:43 | |
| *** jakeri has quit IRC | 12:47 | |
| *** ericcc_ has joined #mer | 12:54 | |
| *** ericcc has quit IRC | 12:56 | |
| xavinux | Hi everyone, would like yo know how can I help mer project | 13:03 |
| *** mikhas has quit IRC | 13:07 | |
| sledges | xavinux, you can choose to test touchable/usable/visible distribution, which is based on the Mer Project -- for example, a Nemo Mobile (on Nokia N9 if you have one). IRC channel - #nemomobile | 13:08 |
| *** VDVsx has quit IRC | 13:09 | |
| sledges | spotting some bugs might lead to have them fixed in as low levels as Mer project itself - good way to help! :) | 13:09 |
| *** spiiroin has quit IRC | 13:09 | |
| *** spiiroin has joined #mer | 13:10 | |
| *** penk has quit IRC | 13:10 | |
| *** penk_ has joined #mer | 13:11 | |
| xavinux | great, heve some linux knowledge and I´m very interested in low level works! | 13:11 |
| *** Martix has joined #mer | 13:11 | |
| sledges | with this family here you will experience it all: high level(UI), middleware and low level :) | 13:11 |
| sledges | all GNU/Linux :) | 13:12 |
| xavinux | great read that Sailfish use Mer core | 13:12 |
| sledges | true, let me introduce the architecture briefly of the two: | 13:13 |
| xavinux | ok | 13:13 |
| sledges | Nemo Mobile: | 13:13 |
| sledges | high-level user experience (UX) - nemo:ux | 13:13 |
| sledges | middle-level - middle-ware - nemo:mw | 13:13 |
| sledges | low-level - core - mer project | 13:14 |
| sledges | Sailfish OS: | 13:14 |
| sledges | high-level user experience (UX) - sailfish:ux | 13:14 |
| sledges | middle-level - middle-ware - nemo:mw (yes, sailfish is re-using nemo mw) | 13:14 |
| sledges | low-level - core - mer project | 13:14 |
| sledges | btw: UX and UI (user interface) are merely synonyms | 13:14 |
| xavinux | very interesting | 13:15 |
| sledges | Sailfish looks awesome, but is available only for Intel platforms at the moment | 13:15 |
| sledges | Nemo Mobile looks still OK :) but already available for Nokia N900/N950/N9 and quite a number of other arm/x86 phones/devices | 13:16 |
| xavinux | yes I´ve read that, I have a Nokia N9 at this moment | 13:16 |
| xavinux | the N950 never arrived here in Argentina.... | 13:17 |
| sledges | so having nemo on n9 (testing/contributing) is helping its middleware (reused by sailfish), and lowlevel - mer project , as per your original question :) | 13:17 |
| sledges | I think N950 was a developer's device, you had to say what good you did to the N900/maemo/etc community, and then you get N950 -- the parent of N9 :) | 13:17 |
| xavinux | aha ok | 13:18 |
| Jope_ | yes, it was never for sale | 13:18 |
| Jope_ | apart from those developers who sold theirs on ebay :-) | 13:18 |
| sledges | (facepalm) | 13:18 |
| sledges | :) | 13:18 |
| xavinux | and where you sugest me to start with to get familar with the OS? | 13:18 |
| *** Jope_ is now known as Jope | 13:18 | |
| sledges | safest is to first run nemomobile on virtualbox (sailfish sdk offers the same) | 13:18 |
| sledges | later you can try out nemo on your n9 | 13:19 |
| xavinux | I´m just running Nemo in a Virtualbox machine | 13:20 |
| xavinux | but don´t know how can I help from this point | 13:20 |
| sledges | that's a good start already :) | 13:20 |
| sledges | could be helpful if you joined #nemomobile :) | 13:21 |
| sledges | 90% of this channel people sit in both rooms, so I'm not kidnapping you or anything :D | 13:22 |
| *** VDVsx has joined #mer | 13:23 | |
| xavinux | ok | 13:24 |
| xavinux | they work will mer too? | 13:25 |
| sledges | if you work with nemo, you work with mer, ingenuously | 13:25 |
| xavinux | joining.... | 13:26 |
| *** fk_lx has quit IRC | 13:31 | |
| *** martyone has joined #mer | 13:38 | |
| *** xmlich02 has quit IRC | 13:40 | |
| *** martyone has quit IRC | 13:42 | |
| *** ulf` has joined #mer | 13:42 | |
| *** martyone has joined #mer | 13:42 | |
| *** penk_ has quit IRC | 13:52 | |
| *** ulf` has quit IRC | 13:57 | |
| *** e8johan has quit IRC | 14:08 | |
| *** ulf` has joined #mer | 14:10 | |
| *** e8johan has joined #mer | 14:18 | |
| *** mikhas has joined #mer | 14:19 | |
| *** Aristide has quit IRC | 14:30 | |
| *** Miksa has quit IRC | 14:32 | |
| *** e8johan has quit IRC | 14:33 | |
| *** ericcc_ has quit IRC | 14:41 | |
| *** ericcc has joined #mer | 14:41 | |
| *** ulf` has quit IRC | 14:44 | |
| *** Martix has quit IRC | 14:46 | |
| *** tetris4 has quit IRC | 14:46 | |
| *** Martix has joined #mer | 14:46 | |
| *** zhxt has quit IRC | 14:50 | |
| *** mitz has joined #mer | 14:56 | |
| *** lamikr has quit IRC | 14:58 | |
| *** mbohlender has joined #mer | 15:03 | |
| *** ericcc has quit IRC | 15:05 | |
| *** Aristide has joined #mer | 15:12 | |
| *** ericcc has joined #mer | 15:12 | |
| *** pcat has quit IRC | 15:18 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #mer | 15:19 | |
| *** M13 has joined #mer | 15:25 | |
| *** wish has joined #mer | 15:30 | |
| rozhkov | Stskeeps: what package provides gold in mer? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | binutils, ld.gold | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | or add -fuse-ld=gold | 15:37 |
| rozhkov | got it, thanks | 15:38 |
| Bostik | finally without black magic and $PATH manipulation :) | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | +1 | 15:38 |
| *** auri__ has quit IRC | 15:39 | |
| *** jpwhiting has quit IRC | 15:41 | |
| *** mikhas has quit IRC | 15:42 | |
| *** wish has quit IRC | 15:43 | |
| *** jpwhiting has joined #mer | 15:46 | |
| *** jpwhiting has joined #mer | 15:46 | |
| *** pohly has quit IRC | 15:47 | |
| *** gabriel9 has quit IRC | 15:50 | |
| *** jpetrell has joined #mer | 15:51 | |
| *** eneas has joined #mer | 15:55 | |
| *** plfiorini has quit IRC | 15:59 | |
| *** sirdancealo2 has quit IRC | 16:00 | |
| *** sirdancealo2 has joined #mer | 16:01 | |
| *** mbohlender has quit IRC | 16:02 | |
| *** mitz has quit IRC | 16:03 | |
| *** Aristide has quit IRC | 16:05 | |
| *** Aristide has joined #mer | 16:05 | |
| *** slaine has quit IRC | 16:10 | |
| *** eneas has quit IRC | 16:23 | |
| *** sardini has joined #mer | 16:26 | |
| *** pirut has quit IRC | 16:29 | |
| *** pirut has joined #mer | 16:31 | |
| *** CosmoHill has joined #mer | 16:35 | |
| *** ericcc has quit IRC | 16:38 | |
| *** Milhouse has joined #mer | 16:48 | |
| *** plfiorini has joined #mer | 16:51 | |
| *** andre__ has joined #mer | 16:53 | |
| *** andre__ has joined #mer | 16:53 | |
| *** virtuald has quit IRC | 16:57 | |
| *** csd has joined #mer | 16:57 | |
| *** virtuald has joined #mer | 17:02 | |
| *** Morpog_PC has joined #mer | 17:04 | |
| *** panda84kde has quit IRC | 17:05 | |
| *** Vlad_on_the_road has joined #mer | 17:06 | |
| *** xavinux has quit IRC | 17:09 | |
| *** Vlad_on_the_road has quit IRC | 17:09 | |
| *** marquiz has quit IRC | 17:10 | |
| *** Aristide has quit IRC | 17:18 | |
| *** pcat has joined #mer | 17:18 | |
| *** phaeron has quit IRC | 17:20 | |
| *** drussell has quit IRC | 17:22 | |
| *** Wizzup_ has quit IRC | 17:32 | |
| *** pocek_ has joined #mer | 17:32 | |
| *** Wizzup has joined #mer | 17:32 | |
| *** pocek has quit IRC | 17:33 | |
| *** kavuri has joined #mer | 17:39 | |
| *** rubdos has joined #mer | 17:43 | |
| rubdos | I was wondering: I don't like the fact that google glass would store everything in googles cloud (especially now NSA is spying on us), like Android does already. What about mer/nemo on glass would that be possible? | 17:45 |
| rubdos | (aka, I won't buy AR glasses until I've got FULL control of MY device... Anybody wanting to helping to port Mer and writing a GUI? ;D | 17:48 |
| *** kavuri has quit IRC | 17:53 | |
| *** drussell has joined #mer | 17:54 | |
| *** Kelteseth has quit IRC | 17:57 | |
| *** drussell has quit IRC | 18:00 | |
| *** Morpog_PC has quit IRC | 18:02 | |
| *** leinir_ has joined #mer | 18:04 | |
| *** leinir has quit IRC | 18:04 | |
| *** leinir_ is now known as leinir | 18:05 | |
| ali1234 | rubdos: the gui isn't the part you need. if you want you can recompile android or whatever it uses without google service stuff | 18:10 |
| ali1234 | the real backdoors are always going to be in the radio rom and you are not going to be able to replace that | 18:10 |
| rubdos | ali1234, That 's part one; I'd love to not to run java... | 18:10 |
| ali1234 | why? | 18:11 |
| rubdos | And yes, we need to find a way to open that load too | 18:11 |
| rubdos | 'cause java is sloooow | 18:11 |
| ali1234 | not really | 18:11 |
| ali1234 | you will never open the radio roms up | 18:11 |
| ali1234 | there is far too much platform security in place to prevent you even running an unsigned one, let alone one you compiled yourself | 18:11 |
| rubdos | I wont. Fact. But they should be, if we want to avoid the whole mess NSA is doing right now | 18:12 |
| ali1234 | it's a completely different thing in fact | 18:12 |
| rubdos | And yes, we don't like boot locks :( | 18:12 |
| *** csd has quit IRC | 18:13 | |
| ali1234 | the radio roms have far more protection than typical applications core bootloader | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | they run on a totally isolated CPU core for a reason | 18:13 |
| rubdos | I'm still waiting on completely opensource hardware and software phones... and goggles. BTW, google should call it goggles, not glass :O | 18:14 |
| rubdos | How's that? What part is running somewhere else? | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | the radio rom | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | the drivers that communicate with the phone network, and with the microphone on the phone, are all run on a totally isolated core running a proprietary operating system | 18:15 |
| rubdos | Which is the software part of the bluetooth and wifi stack? | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | i don't know if glass has a built in phone? but i suppose it does, or will | 18:15 |
| rubdos | why's that? Why should they run on proprietary software? | 18:15 |
| rubdos | I suppose it will too... Don't think it has yet | 18:16 |
| ali1234 | and yes often the wifi and bluetooth are also controlled by that stuff too, though not always | 18:16 |
| rubdos | Okay, let's limit the size of the ROM on those IC's :P | 18:16 |
| ali1234 | there is no reason why they have to run a proprietary OS other than a) the manufacturer wants to maximum security possible, b) the network wants to completely certify every line of code in the rom | 18:16 |
| ali1234 | you should read up about this stuff, it's really interesting | 18:17 |
| rubdos | Makes it more difficult for them... But you get my point, right? If the software would be open, we'd have much more fun. | 18:17 |
| ali1234 | the radio rom isn't really a rom | 18:17 |
| rubdos | Yes, I should. And I should be studying my chemistry exam too :D | 18:17 |
| rubdos | But this is far more interesting ;) | 18:17 |
| ali1234 | for example on old old omap850 the application core is armv5 (or 6 i forget) and the radio core is armv4 | 18:18 |
| ali1234 | the application core loads a binary blob to a magic memory address and then the radio core starts up | 18:18 |
| ali1234 | before that you can't do any radio ops at all, not even emergency calls will work | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | you can't even do "AT" or talk to it at all | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | the only interface into the armv4 is serial style | 18:19 |
| *** eneas has joined #mer | 18:19 | |
| rubdos | That really is... worth investigating. Anyone tried yet to read the instructions out? | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | you could in theory load a linux kernel in to it but you would never be able to reverse engineer the drivers require to make the radio work | 18:19 |
| *** jooncheol2 has quit IRC | 18:20 | |
| ali1234 | basically that radio core exists only the prevent you from directly accessing the radio | 18:20 |
| rubdos | Or to have something to spy on the user? | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | well, perhaps | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | you can never know | 18:20 |
| rubdos | Because this is what I call non-usefull "overhead" | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | but just running andaroid or some other linux isn't going to make any difference | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | because if there is a backdoor it is absolutely 100% going to be hidden in the proprietary locked down radio core where you can't see it at all | 18:21 |
| rubdos | It would make a difference if we had permission to load our own stuff... and have an open interface to all those things | 18:21 |
| rubdos | yes indeed... | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | but we absolutely don't | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | omap850 is really old any way | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | new chips are using a proprietary instruction set on the private core | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | for example the chip inside the raspberry pi | 18:22 |
| rubdos | Lets see, new instruction in the set "ARMv4NSA": SPY #memory address | 18:22 |
| rubdos | sends a byte to NSA | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | there the private core is not to protect radio/network but in order to implement codec licensing | 18:23 |
| rubdos | Yes, I know they have a NDA, which made me very... can't get to the word | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | they call it a GPU but it runs a full OS | 18:23 |
| rubdos | suspiciously | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | that OS does things like verify the license key you put in is real and lock it to the chip | 18:23 |
| rubdos | Yes, indeed... These things can scare the sh** out of me | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | it also acts as a mediator between the core you are allowed to run things on, and the core which is physically connected to the actual hardware | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | linux on raspberry pi is effectively trapped in a hardware virtualization | 18:24 |
| *** Vlad_on_the_road has joined #mer | 18:25 | |
| ali1234 | but anyway that is enough ranting from me | 18:25 |
| rubdos | Mind if i dump this text to a .txt and let a friend of mine read this too? | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | of course not. this channel is publicly logged anyway i think | 18:25 |
| *** phaeron has joined #mer | 18:25 | |
| rubdos | And I can assure you, you can't bore me with this "ranting" :) | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | yeah but it's offtopic | 18:26 |
| rubdos | Yes, indeed. Now it is | 18:26 |
| rubdos | If you want, we can discuss this somewhere else | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway: if you can boot your own kernel; build an flashable android image for it, yes, you can probably run mer with libhybris on it | 18:26 |
| *** jstaniek has joined #mer | 18:27 | |
| Stskeeps | and flash your own root file system | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | yes, they already ran ubuntu on it that way | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | well that was more of a chroot | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | at the developer show | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | from what i recall | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | well that's how ubuntu phone still works currently, though the big switch should happen this month | 18:28 |
| rubdos | I already read someone rooting the device. If he could install a ssh server on it, you could do anything you want, theoretically? Except for the rom thingy, ofc | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | nah, you need more, ability to flash and boot own kernel | 18:30 |
| rubdos | Mmm.. Yes, I was thinking of conventional bios driven systems :/ I'm not really into embedded | 18:30 |
| rubdos | You basically need more knowledge from that point :P | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | embedded is hard | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:31 |
| rubdos | I'd love to learn more about it. Well, I will next year. Civil engineering/computer science :P | 18:33 |
| *** edgar2 has quit IRC | 18:34 | |
| Stskeeps | don't worry, you won't learn anything useful in CS | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | haha | 18:35 |
| rubdos | Damned :) | 18:36 |
| rubdos | Why not ? :O | 18:36 |
| rubdos | What course would you take in my place? :P | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | if i could do university again i would do pure mathematics i think | 18:37 |
| rubdos | cool :) | 18:37 |
| rubdos | What did you do now? | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | CS | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | i might also do whatever course is all about signal processing which is mostly maths | 18:38 |
| rubdos | (I'm starting to think I can pull every conversation to be offtopic...) | 18:39 |
| rubdos | And yes, that's probably why I'm taking CS via the engineering way... | 18:40 |
| *** Aristide has joined #mer | 18:42 | |
| *** marquiz has joined #mer | 18:48 | |
| *** Morpog_PC has joined #mer | 18:57 | |
| *** tilgovi has joined #mer | 18:57 | |
| *** Aristide has quit IRC | 19:02 | |
| *** arcean_ has quit IRC | 19:02 | |
| *** fcorrea has joined #mer | 19:03 | |
| *** xavinux has joined #mer | 19:07 | |
| *** furikku has quit IRC | 19:09 | |
| *** cristi has joined #mer | 19:16 | |
| *** ortylp has joined #mer | 19:19 | |
| *** fcorrea has quit IRC | 19:22 | |
| *** notmart has quit IRC | 19:22 | |
| *** ortylp has quit IRC | 19:27 | |
| *** Aristide has joined #mer | 19:27 | |
| *** eneas has quit IRC | 19:29 | |
| *** ljp has joined #mer | 19:32 | |
| *** Aristide has quit IRC | 19:34 | |
| *** Aristide has joined #mer | 19:42 | |
| *** tetris4 has joined #mer | 19:46 | |
| *** Martix has quit IRC | 20:07 | |
| *** thopiekar has joined #mer | 20:18 | |
| *** kimitake_idle has joined #mer | 20:25 | |
| *** phdeswer has quit IRC | 20:27 | |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 20:27 | |
| *** tilgovi has quit IRC | 20:30 | |
| *** M13 has quit IRC | 20:35 | |
| *** cristi has quit IRC | 20:37 | |
| *** phdeswer has joined #mer | 20:39 | |
| *** tilgovi has joined #mer | 20:48 | |
| *** rubdos has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** Vlad_on_the_road has quit IRC | 20:57 | |
| *** CosmoHill has quit IRC | 21:01 | |
| *** csd has joined #mer | 21:10 | |
| *** thopiekar has quit IRC | 21:22 | |
| *** tetris4 has quit IRC | 21:31 | |
| *** ka6sox has quit IRC | 21:38 | |
| *** jstaniek has quit IRC | 21:42 | |
| *** ka6sox has joined #mer | 21:42 | |
| *** martyone has quit IRC | 21:56 | |
| *** CosmoHill has joined #mer | 21:58 | |
| *** jrayhawk has joined #mer | 22:06 | |
| CosmoHill | night night | 22:10 |
| *** CosmoHill has quit IRC | 22:10 | |
| *** E-P has quit IRC | 22:10 | |
| *** Dynamit has quit IRC | 22:14 | |
| *** Dynamit has joined #mer | 22:15 | |
| *** E-P has joined #mer | 22:19 | |
| *** sardini has quit IRC | 22:22 | |
| *** sardini has joined #mer | 22:23 | |
| *** jrayhawk has quit IRC | 22:23 | |
| *** jrayhawk has joined #mer | 22:24 | |
| *** trbs2 has quit IRC | 22:26 | |
| *** denexter_ has joined #mer | 22:35 | |
| *** Morpog_PC has quit IRC | 22:36 | |
| *** Sfiet_Konstantin has quit IRC | 22:42 | |
| *** nodevel has joined #mer | 22:47 | |
| *** mvogt has joined #mer | 22:52 | |
| *** alexxy has quit IRC | 22:54 | |
| *** alexxy has joined #mer | 22:54 | |
| *** leinir has quit IRC | 22:57 | |
| *** leinir_ has joined #mer | 22:57 | |
| *** sardini has quit IRC | 23:00 | |
| *** mbohlender has joined #mer | 23:04 | |
| *** jayrulez has quit IRC | 23:16 | |
| *** csd has quit IRC | 23:24 | |
| *** nodevel has quit IRC | 23:24 | |
| *** bef0rd has joined #mer | 23:26 | |
| *** jayrulez has joined #mer | 23:27 | |
| *** Aristide has quit IRC | 23:31 | |
| *** mbohlender has quit IRC | 23:40 | |
| *** cxl000 has quit IRC | 23:46 | |
| *** csd has joined #mer | 23:52 | |
| *** csd has quit IRC | 23:52 | |
| *** bef0rd has quit IRC | 23:58 | |
| *** bef0rd has joined #mer | 23:58 | |
| *** csd has joined #mer | 23:59 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!