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| tripzero | w00t, ztpad arrived today | 02:20 |
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| tripzero | it's mer time, ladies | 02:21 |
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| tripzero | hmm | 03:01 |
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| tripzero | the wiki page on the ztpad/vivaldi is confusing | 03:45 |
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| tripzero | gunna need vgrade to point me in the right direction | 05:02 |
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| E-P | Morning | 05:13 |
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| iekku | morn | 05:27 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:35 |
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| _av500_ | morn | 05:38 |
| Sage | morning | 05:56 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=235 <- any news on this? | 05:56 |
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| vgrade | morning | 06:03 |
| vgrade | tripzero , hey | 06:04 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=fuse&project=CE%3AUtils <- only regression I could find in builds | 06:05 |
| vgrade | more instructions http://opentablets.org/topic/13-installing-plasma-active-with-mer-base-on-zenithink-c71/ | 06:05 |
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| tripzero | hi vgrade | 06:08 |
| tripzero | vgrade, yes, those are much better instructions, lol | 06:09 |
| * tripzero updates mer wiki | 06:09 | |
| tripzero | vgrade, after creating the sd card. I just stick it in and reboot? | 06:12 |
| vgrade | yup | 06:12 |
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| tripzero | ahh, hold power button with Vol- button | 06:16 |
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| vgrade | no buttons required | 06:20 |
| vgrade | just put the card in unless you hace the newer C71 model with 1GB | 06:20 |
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| vgrade | which from your comments I suspect you have | 06:22 |
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| Sage | lbt: pubworker07 seems jammed again and some workers are lost | 06:24 |
| Sage | Stskeeps, lbt: It seems to me that the armv7l and arm6l jobs are stalling all the worker atm. so nothing gets done | 06:25 |
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| niqt | morning | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: traveling today | 06:38 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ok | 06:38 |
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| vgrade | lbt, Stskeeps, good feedback from sb2 sdk on Vivaldi | 06:50 |
| vgrade | http://opentablets.org/topic/12-mer-sdk-with-plasma-active-and-vivaldi/page__view__findpost__p__192 | 06:50 |
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| lbt | morning all | 07:55 |
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| lbt | Sage: I'll look again - it looks like there was a release problem for this pre-release on armv6/7l | 07:57 |
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| Sage | vgrade: that is good news | 08:00 |
| lbt | Sage: I can help you fix 235 locally | 08:01 |
| lbt | if that works we should be OK on the obs | 08:01 |
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| Sage | lbt: well I checked that locally already | 08:22 |
| Sage | removal of that line makes it working | 08:23 |
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| lbt | I think we need to remove Mer mappings from the sb2 package and move them to either/both SDK and OBS | 08:25 |
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| lbt | oops - I forgot to give an early warning .... SDK meeting in #mer-meeting now | 09:00 |
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| slaine | lbt, good meeting | 09:29 |
| lbt | yep - I think it essentially means the SDK is ~stable | 09:29 |
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| slaine | nod | 09:44 |
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| rippel | Hi, does Mer already have a system for automatic app updates? e.g. similar to what Android has | 09:54 |
| lbt | rippel: yes - but probably not in the sense you mean | 09:56 |
| lbt | Mer doesn't really address 'apps' | 09:57 |
| rippel | lbt: I'm having some difficulty outlining the scope of Mer then :) | 09:58 |
| rippel | my understanding is that it's not too different from Tizen (which has some specific API). Is it wrong? | 09:58 |
| lbt | well, Mer only really goes up to the toolkit layer | 09:59 |
| rippel | so it doesn't have 'Widgets' (in the Tizen sense) | 10:00 |
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| dm8tbr | 'zypper' | 10:00 |
| lbt | it provides the ability for vendors to both select and contribute components | 10:00 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: indeed | 10:00 |
| lbt | rippel: so at the moment Tizen's story is very much under wraps | 10:01 |
| dm8tbr | is there a final word on deb-vs-rpm from them yet? | 10:01 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: nothing official | 10:02 |
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| dm8tbr | *nod* thought so | 10:03 |
| lbt | rippel: Mer will support HTML5 - if Tizen's HTML5 widgets are standards compliant then you should be able to run them on a Mer based solution | 10:03 |
| rippel | lbt: so let's suppose I'm a vendor, and I write an app for Mer. Is it possible to provide automatic updates to my customers, or shall I write a specific app for this? | 10:04 |
| lbt | rippel: define 'app' ? | 10:05 |
| lbt | rippel: the short answer is that you can use existing tools in Mer for native applications or you will have to contribute a solution for HTML5 apps | 10:05 |
| lbt | that solution can (should?) be based on something 'upstream' | 10:05 |
| rippel | lbt: let's say a video player, with an HTML5 interface and which uses gstreamer | 10:06 |
| lbt | rippel: what is your vendor's app strategy? | 10:06 |
| lbt | (and zypper could work quite comfortably for a packaged app like that) | 10:07 |
| rippel | lbt: I may want to wrap it into a 'package', pre-install it on my devices and sell them. But I would like to provide updates/fixes as well | 10:07 |
| lbt | *nod* | 10:08 |
| lbt | that sounds like the real requirement :) | 10:08 |
| lbt | yes, Mer provides tools that would support that | 10:08 |
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| rippel | lbt: eheh yes, I'm thinking of a real product | 10:08 |
| lbt | ie zypper/rpm | 10:08 |
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| lbt | It is likely that you/we would extend the basic tools depending on the specific needs | 10:09 |
| rippel | lbt: ok, like making point to my repository? | 10:10 |
| lbt | I *think* Nokia/Maemo extended apt to provide secure-apt in order to ensure that the code was only (trivially) downloadable to genuine device owners | 10:10 |
| lbt | yes, that's fairly easy | 10:10 |
| lbt | and you may look at the use-case in more detail and see additional things you need | 10:11 |
| Bostik | lbt: aye, they had virtual APT repos | 10:11 |
| lbt | Bostik: *nod* ... I wasn't sure if secure-apt was invented for Maemo and moved to Debian (I thought it was) | 10:12 |
| Bostik | the virtual repository is such a beautiful concept that whoever thought it up certainly was a true engineer in heart | 10:13 |
| lbt | rippel: so I hope that helps answer your question - it's not a simple thing | 10:13 |
| rippel | lbt: sorry for being devil's advocate, it's just for the sake of understanding... My understanding is that Mer is not too dissimilar from Debian. Let's say that I wanted to use it on a STB... | 10:15 |
| rippel | I would have to customize gstreamer, in order to match my chipset's features... | 10:16 |
| lbt | good example - we have real vendors doing that | 10:16 |
| rippel | write my own UI, possibly using HTML5 + JavaScript... | 10:16 |
| rippel | and maybe I would like to have WebGL in the UI as well, for some cool effects... | 10:17 |
| lbt | or QML and Qt media components | 10:17 |
| rippel | exactly | 10:17 |
| rippel | I also may want to change my chipset every 9-12 months... | 10:18 |
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| lbt | right | 10:18 |
| rippel | since I would have to port/cross-compile Qt, gstreamer, webkit, etc... and possibly make some adaptation for chipset's drivers, why should I choose Mer instead of a custom Linux? :-) | 10:19 |
| lbt | Mer is designed to be a custom Linux | 10:20 |
| rippel | lbt: (don't want to be rude, I *really* want to understand) | 10:20 |
| lbt | firstly you shouldn't need to cross-compile much at all | 10:21 |
| lbt | we support multiple arm flavours, and MIPs as well as Atom | 10:21 |
| lbt | but if you want to - you can, we aim to make it easy | 10:21 |
| lbt | one guy built his own Mer in a few days this week just to do risk mitigation for mgmt | 10:22 |
| lbt | we are working with vendors (like you'd be) to minimise the packages you'd need to fork | 10:22 |
| lbt | so gstreamer is a common example | 10:23 |
| lbt | that means that the build, QA and code sharing systems, tools and processes are all in place | 10:23 |
| lbt | you don't need to invent them | 10:23 |
| lbt | we also want to make it easy to track Mer | 10:23 |
| lbt | we have <350 package in core | 10:24 |
| lbt | that means we don't churn as much | 10:24 |
| lbt | less QA, less cost | 10:24 |
| lbt | you will want to track upstream as that means lower patch weight (and other bugfixes) | 10:24 |
| lbt | Of course all this assumes a mid-long term product strategy | 10:25 |
| lbt | if you want to build+forget then tracking upstream is less relevant | 10:25 |
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| lbt | (and some products are like that so it's a reasonable decision factoe) | 10:26 |
| lbt | r | 10:26 |
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| lbt | The other part of Mer is "Code is not enough" | 10:27 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: did images for the latest snapshot currently uploading | 10:27 |
| rippel | lbt: thank you, this was a good explaination | 10:28 |
| lbt | rippel: glad to help | 10:32 |
| lbt | rippel: so the other area that Mer provides (and very few other distros do) ... is vendor-oriented tools | 10:33 |
| lbt | by this I mean things like OBS, SB2, IMG and BOSS | 10:33 |
| lbt | and that's an area we expect to matter from a cost/efficiency point-of-view | 10:34 |
| lbt | anyhow - please ask if you have any more questions | 10:34 |
| enc0de | bugs.merproject.org: do i need an approval from a admin, cause i didn't receive a validation link yet | 10:34 |
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| lbt | enc0de: no, it should work | 10:35 |
| rippel | lbt: at this stage I'm thinking whether it's better to adopt Mer (or Tizen, should it become more transparent...) vs a custom framework | 10:35 |
| rippel | ...or (also) writing a custom framework on top of Mer/Tizen/custom Linux | 10:36 |
| rippel | this is what I'm trying to understand | 10:36 |
| lbt | Well, Mer is supposed to make rejecting a custom linux a no-brainer | 10:37 |
| lbt | if you are considering Tizen then it's an alternative for those who want more flexibility | 10:37 |
| rippel | lbt: what do you mean? | 10:37 |
| lbt | Mer's tools are supposed to make setting up a custom linux 'trivial' - and we simply ship most modern linux middleware packages | 10:38 |
| lbt | so unless you're going for a really minimal distro (eg busybox) then Mer is a sane choice compared to custom | 10:40 |
| lbt | (oh, and we have busybox on the plans) | 10:40 |
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| rippel | lbt: ok I've got one more question and one suggestion... :) | 10:40 |
| lbt | OTOH if you like the whole Tizen/MeeGo approach but you don't want to be lead by Intel/Samsung... Mer is an open alternative | 10:40 |
| lbt | sure.... | 10:41 |
| rippel | the suggestion first... my tech background is quite low-level (e.g. never worked on MeeGo-like things) and I think it's quite common in the STB/streaming industry... | 10:42 |
| rippel | so I find quite difficult to figure out how to customise Mer using its tools, e.g. mic, I mean how to select packages, customise them as required, compile and create the image... | 10:43 |
| rippel | as I'm more accustomed to the traditional toolchain process, or buildroot at most | 10:44 |
| lbt | OK | 10:44 |
| rippel | so I would suggest a wiki page/tutorial in this direction, if you think it's sensible | 10:44 |
| lbt | This: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 10:44 |
| lbt | possibly combined with this: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step | 10:45 |
| lbt | also http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Category:Mic | 10:45 |
| rippel | lbt: yes I've followed both, but found they're quite hard to follow (at least for me) | 10:45 |
| lbt | OK - that's good feedback | 10:45 |
| lbt | I'd be happy to listen and fix | 10:45 |
| rippel | just to explain myself, I can follow each step but 1) they're not necessarily sequential and 2) it's not clear if/why a certain step is necessary | 10:46 |
| lbt | OK ... well typically we expect people like you to evaluate things like Mer (and know you'll be working using them) so your opinion matters | 10:46 |
| lbt | also, we are as open as possible - so once you get an answer you can edit the wiki yourself | 10:47 |
| lbt | which is good to know for the future | 10:47 |
| rippel | lbt: now I've forgot my question :P | 10:48 |
| lbt | hehe ... sry | 10:48 |
| rippel | :D | 10:48 |
| lbt | Also bear in mind that those pages are only weeks old - if that | 10:49 |
| sledges | good moaning | 10:50 |
| sledges | :) | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | rippel, btw, even if you don't choose Mer and go for custom linux instead, we'd like to know reasons, to improve ourselves, we won't be mad or something like that ;) we understand the importance of choosing the right tool for the job | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | morn sledges | 10:50 |
| rippel | lbt: question came back... you mentioned busybox, which is quite common for some chipsets' manufacturers | 10:50 |
| lbt | *nod* | 10:51 |
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| rippel | would it be possible to use busybox with Mer, instead of a full bash? | 10:52 |
| lbt | not right now... | 10:53 |
| lbt | That's something we're looking at because it is still important | 10:54 |
| lbt | iirc there's an experimental version around already | 10:54 |
| lbt | however.... | 10:54 |
| rippel | is it "just" a matter of integrating busybox, or there's something else preventing it? | 10:54 |
| rippel | sry didn't mean to interrupt you | 10:55 |
| lbt | it's mainly a matter of doing it in a way that we can all support | 10:55 |
| lbt | One thing Mer does (and will do better as time passes) is continuous integration | 10:56 |
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| lbt | that means that each change to core is subject to full builds on all arches and image builds and QA checks pre-acceptance | 10:56 |
| rippel | :nod: what would you say the current average footprint is? (space/memory) | 10:56 |
| lbt | so we'd need to define QA acceptance for busybox based images | 10:57 |
| rippel | just to have an idea of min requirements | 10:57 |
| lbt | hmm, there's a guy around who is pushing that down for his STB right now | 10:58 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps can proably recall the minimum mem/disk usage | 10:58 |
| rippel | I think it's quite an important point to help people choose :) | 10:59 |
| lbt | for certain products, yes | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | ask me on monday, not at laptop | 10:59 |
| rippel | at the moment I haven't been able to go beyond the shell login on my platform, so I can't measure it myself reliably | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | rippel: due to systemd we are very low on shell scripts for init process | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | so busybox vs bash is less of an issue from mer pov | 11:00 |
| lbt | ok - so he has 128Mb of flash | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | rippel: did cgroups patch help anything? | 11:01 |
| rippel | Stskeeps: unfortunately no, although cgroups are supported now. I'll reboot the device in a while, so that I can paste the log somewhere, if you fancy a look | 11:03 |
| rippel | lbt: 128Mb would be good enough for me. So you think it's possible to run a "default" Mer system (shell and UI) with 128MB? | 11:04 |
| lbt | it would be tight but that seems to be what he's doing | 11:06 |
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| RaYmAn | hey, some guy managed to run linux+X in an ARM 32-bit cpu emulated on an 8-bit cpu ;) with 16mb externally connected ram.. ;) | 11:07 |
| lbt | he (sonach FWIW) said: "Now the mainstream STB of Chinese markset is 256MB RAM, 128MB Flash. But 256MB flash is OK." | 11:07 |
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| lbt | rippel: also he said : "We change the FLASH to 256MB for all boards now." | 11:08 |
| lbt | so ... I'd say we have a real-life min of about 256/256 - he's using Qt too, not HTML5 ... | 11:09 |
| lbt | OK ... bbiab ... highlight me if you have any questions :) | 11:10 |
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| rippel | lbt: thanks, that's very useful o know | 11:10 |
| rippel | *to know | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | rippel: yep, log would be good | 11:11 |
| rippel | lbt: I guess that, by not using HTML5, he's not using WebKit as well | 11:13 |
| rippel | although there's a Qt version of WebKit (I should try that...) | 11:14 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/testing-versions/0.20120405.0.0.1.NEMO.2012-03-30.2/ | 11:18 |
| rippel | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/Qm79vf2F | 11:20 |
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| sledges | to all Lipstick QML lovers: here it goes hw accelerated on imx53. For the issues (if you could help) read the description: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXVLLZurZZc | 11:22 |
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| slaine | lbt, Where is that ipaccess rules stuff logged ? | 11:24 |
| slaine | I can't figure out why my current version is giving that error | 11:25 |
| slaine | found it, figured out the problem | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | rippel_: show me .ks too | 12:19 |
| rippel_ | Stskeeps: here it is http://pastebin.com/YjbAPg0X | 12:21 |
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| slaine | lbt, any ideas why by i586 schedular has "exiting (with complete info)…" in the logs ? | 12:52 |
| lbt | the schedulers stop by processing commands in the queue | 12:52 |
| lbt | so issuing 2 "scheduler stop" followed by 2 "scheduler start" gets you a stopped scheduler :) | 12:53 |
| slaine | ok | 12:53 |
| lbt | quite annoying sometimes | 12:53 |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: hi | 13:02 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: the next mer release will break the build of our fuse package | 13:02 |
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| mdfe_ | fusermount.c:295:44: error: 'CLONE_NEWNS' undeclared (first use in this function) | 13:06 |
| slaine | lbt, Stskeeps, Is it possible to get MDS stuff to only sync ARCH's I'm interested in ? | 13:08 |
| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: Are there toolchain changes planned in next mer release? | 13:08 |
| vgrade | mdfe_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fuse/+bug/935514/comments/1 | 13:08 |
| lbt | slaine: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177 | 13:09 |
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| mdfe_ | vgrade: awesome :) | 13:09 |
| lbt | FYI Stskeeps is away today and this weekend | 13:09 |
| vgrade | yea, I noticed it earlier and knew you just started using fuse | 13:09 |
| mdfe_ | ah ok | 13:09 |
| mdfe_ | hi all :) | 13:10 |
| lbt | mdfe_: sounds like you should send that patch in to mer-core :) | 13:10 |
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| lbt | log a bug too so we can mark it high in the triage on monday | 13:11 |
| mdfe_ | fuse is allready in mer core? | 13:11 |
| vgrade | no its not in core its in CE:Utils | 13:11 |
| * lbt doesn't have the same intimate knowledge of the package list ... sry | 13:11 | |
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| mdfe_ | hehe | 13:12 |
| mdfe_ | np | 13:12 |
| vgrade | branch, from there create the patch then submit to Sage sound sane? | 13:12 |
| Sage | vgrade: yes sounds sane :) | 13:13 |
| mdfe_ | yep | 13:13 |
| lbt | this is where vendors should look at co-operating in a project layered on top of mer core | 13:13 |
| vgrade | we try | 13:14 |
| mdfe_ | Sage: our fuse is a branch of yours | 13:14 |
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| mdfe_ | so I will send a submit request soon | 13:14 |
| Sage | mdfe_: I have no idea where you got yous :) | 13:14 |
| mdfe_ | CE:Utils/fuse | 13:15 |
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| Stskeeps | mdfe, eglibc2.15 | 13:17 |
| Sage | mdfe_: When you have couple of hours of spare time to reorder some Project:KDE:Devel stuff let me know. | 13:17 |
| slaine | lbt, thanks | 13:18 |
| slaine | I might take a look at that after my OBS bring up scramble | 13:18 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: I will do so | 13:21 |
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| mdfe_ | Sage: I hope this submit request will work with boss | 13:57 |
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| mdfe_ | lbt: hi | 14:14 |
| lbt | hey | 14:15 |
| mdfe_ | lbt: I see some strange build for mer_next armv7l | 14:15 |
| mdfe_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=attica&project=Project%3AKDE%3ATrunk%3ATesting&repository=Mer_Core-next_CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7l | 14:15 |
| mdfe_ | anything to worry about? | 14:15 |
| lbt | :/ | 14:15 |
| mdfe_ | or just artefacts by updating mer_next? | 14:16 |
| lbt | the release script missed some packages - have no clue how since there was no disk space issue | 14:16 |
| lbt | been a bit unwell this week and forgot to fix that | 14:17 |
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| lbt | and right now I'm cursing LVM2 | 14:17 |
| mdfe_ | np | 14:17 |
| lbt | I'll make a note | 14:17 |
| mdfe_ | can you fix this? | 14:18 |
| lbt | yes, it's a release problem | 14:18 |
| mdfe_ | :) | 14:18 |
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| mdfe_ | bleh | 14:20 |
| mdfe_ | boss do not like me ;( | 14:20 |
| lbt | hmm - it is a bit heavy to get into on your own | 14:21 |
| lbt | the language error reporting is a bit of a mess in the current version | 14:21 |
| mdfe_ | hm, its a bit heavy to fork a hole project to send acceptable submit request for boss | 14:24 |
| lbt | ? | 14:24 |
| mdfe_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/4634 | 14:24 |
| mdfe_ | it will only accepted in case the source of the submit request has the same build targets as the destination | 14:25 |
| lbt | yes | 14:25 |
| mdfe_ | so far I understand | 14:26 |
| lbt | that seems entirely sane :) | 14:26 |
| mdfe_ | of cource, but a bit overkill | 14:26 |
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| lbt | OK - let me put it this way.... that's not BOSS making that decision | 14:27 |
| lbt | BOSS is a rules/process engine | 14:27 |
| lbt | the CE project decided that it would only accept SRs for code that people had built against CE | 14:27 |
| lbt | ie a user must at least do a test build against CE before asking for a review | 14:28 |
| mdfe_ | is there a chanche to make the rules some more easy? | 14:28 |
| mdfe_ | maybe by a additional human reviewer? | 14:28 |
| lbt | BOSS can do that, yes | 14:29 |
| lbt | will CE want that? | 14:29 |
| lbt | don't know | 14:29 |
| mdfe_ | me neither | 14:30 |
| lbt | so I'm aware that you have 2 things going on | 14:30 |
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| lbt | 1) you want to send fuse to CE | 14:30 |
| lbt | 2) you're seeing BOSS working | 14:30 |
| lbt | in this case 2) is acting as a barrier - you are supposed to do some checks before 1) and BOSS is not bothering CE with it until you do them | 14:31 |
| mdfe_ | yes, I like to send an build fix to ce | 14:31 |
| mdfe_ | ok, this means I have to 1. create a hole new project, copypac fuse and add the same environment as in CE | 14:33 |
| lbt | mmm | 14:33 |
| lbt | normally you'd osc branch the CE fuse | 14:33 |
| mdfe_ | yes I did | 14:33 |
| lbt | work on it, build it, sr it back | 14:33 |
| mdfe_ | yep | 14:33 |
| lbt | well, no... you may have done that a while back - but this SR is from Project:KDE:Devel / fuse | 14:34 |
| mdfe_ | thats the branch | 14:34 |
| lbt | so it hasn't got the build targets it should have with a normal "osc branch" | 14:34 |
| vgrade | I think the issue is we have two copies of fuse going on here | 14:35 |
| mdfe_ | I have to use osc branch to get fuse into Project:KDE:Devel ? | 14:35 |
| lbt | mdfe_: so conceptually what you're doing is copying a package directly from Ubuntu to Debian and doing all the QA in Ubuntu ... | 14:36 |
| mdfe_ | I know the reason of this boss rule | 14:37 |
| lbt | nod | 14:37 |
| lbt | so the normal process is to do "osc branch CE:Utils fuse" | 14:37 |
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| lbt | you still should do that | 14:37 |
| mdfe_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=fuse&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel | 14:37 |
| lbt | then you can copypac the KDE:Utils fuse to it | 14:38 |
| mdfe_ | isn't it a branch? | 14:38 |
| lbt | no, it's a link | 14:38 |
| lbt | a branch would also setup the build targets | 14:38 |
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| mdfe_ | ah ok | 14:38 |
| mdfe_ | ok | 14:38 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Albt:branches:CE:Utils | 14:39 |
| lbt | from running : osc branch CE:Utils fuse | 14:39 |
| mdfe_ | and how do you add the build patch? | 14:40 |
| mdfe_ | via copypac from Project:KDE:Devel / fuse ? | 14:41 |
| lbt | yes | 14:41 |
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| lbt | normally you'd checkout and if you had a 'proper' VCS you'd be using it :) | 14:42 |
| mdfe_ | VCS? | 14:42 |
| lbt | version control system | 14:42 |
| lbt | OBS way of doing this is ... not to my taste | 14:42 |
| lbt | OBS is a godawful SCM (better ?) | 14:43 |
| mdfe_ | yep | 14:43 |
| lbt | I'm working on using git in a much more sensible way | 14:44 |
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| lbt | I would rather think of SRs as slightly intelligent copypac | 14:44 |
| mdfe_ | git is my favourite as well | 14:45 |
| lbt | you'll like what I/we have planned to merge git and packaging then (I hope) | 14:48 |
| mdfe_ | I know the mer delivery system, do you plan more stuff with git in collaboration with obs? | 14:51 |
| lbt | yes | 14:51 |
| lbt | this is very much a WIP | 14:52 |
| lbt | see http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/osc.git;a=summary | 14:52 |
| mdfe_ | do you plan to change internals of obs? | 14:52 |
| lbt | maybe | 14:52 |
| mdfe_ | are you in contact with adrian about this? | 14:53 |
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| lbt | not about this specific task | 14:53 |
| lbt | I'm still working it out | 14:53 |
| lbt | The OBS design also tends to be a bit ... monolithic | 14:54 |
| lbt | I think the got burned in the past by having too many multiple systems ... so now it all gets pulled into OBS | 14:54 |
| lbt | an example is the SR workflow | 14:54 |
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| mdfe_ | OBS is a complex beast | 14:56 |
| lbt | that's my concern | 14:56 |
| lbt | mdfe_: can you see that gitweb page? | 14:57 |
| mdfe_ | which one? the osc.git? | 14:57 |
| lbt | yes | 14:58 |
| mdfe_ | yep | 14:58 |
| lbt | at the bottom are 2 heads ... look at the tree for mer-pkg | 14:58 |
| lbt | in there look at _src | 14:58 |
| lbt | now look at the tree for mer-master http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/osc.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/mer-master;hb=mer-master | 14:58 |
| lbt | that is a clone of the upstream osc git tree ... with mer patches applied using git | 14:59 |
| mdfe_ | I get it | 15:00 |
| mdfe_ | seriously a lot of work | 15:01 |
| lbt | I'm getting ther | 15:01 |
| lbt | e | 15:01 |
| lbt | and less than you'd think | 15:01 |
| mdfe_ | *g* | 15:01 |
| mdfe_ | will take a closer look at the weekend | 15:03 |
| lbt | gah konversation is being a pita | 15:03 |
| mdfe_ | great thanks to get me an insight | 15:04 |
| lbt | np mainly it's about "not" writing code - instead pull together work that has already been done | 15:05 |
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| mdfe_ | bleh, now hit me the other issue | 15:06 |
| mdfe_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Amdfe%3Afuse | 15:06 |
| mdfe_ | are I'm able to send submit request with this build issues? | 15:06 |
| lbt | yes - it shouldn't care about -next | 15:07 |
| mdfe_ | :D | 15:07 |
| lbt | mmm | 15:07 |
| lbt | *shouldn't* | 15:07 |
| mdfe_ | I will see | 15:07 |
| lbt | but it may do - that'd be a bug in the CE process - and looking at the message on https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/4634 - I think it will care | 15:07 |
| lbt | OK ... I'll look at that over the weekend | 15:08 |
| mdfe_ | bleh https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/4635 | 15:12 |
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| slaine | lbt, even after rebooting that's still not starting up the 586 scheduler | 15:32 |
| lbt | is it starting and shutting down at once? | 15:32 |
| slaine | oh hang on, if I reboot, I need to restart MDS | 15:33 |
| slaine | anyway, I've tweaked my setup so that I've 2 servers | 15:36 |
| slaine | 1 older low powered server that's acting as the fe/be combined | 15:36 |
| slaine | and the larger server acting as the worker | 15:36 |
| lbt | right | 15:36 |
| slaine | I wanted to try setting it up a second time another way to ensure that I understood the process properly and also to make use of this server that I didn't want to just bin :) | 15:37 |
| slaine | right, so, I've got a combined frontend/backend that seems to be working ok | 15:40 |
| slaine | I've got MDS up and running also | 15:41 |
| slaine | The only problem now is that it won't actually build anything. | 15:41 |
| slaine | The status monitor page shows that i586 is dead | 15:41 |
| slaine | Yet, armv7el and armv8el are listed and working | 15:42 |
| slaine | As is x86_64 | 15:42 |
| slaine | armv7l is still listed, I don't know where it's getting that from | 15:42 |
| slaine | the /etc/sysconfig/obs-server on both the worker and the backend match | 15:42 |
| lbt | ps -ef | grep sched | 15:42 |
| slaine | There's a perl process for each to the listed working ones | 15:43 |
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| lbt | but none for i586 | 15:44 |
| lbt | cd /usr/lib/obs/server/ ; ./bs_sched i586 | 15:45 |
| lbt | then : rcobsscheduler stop | 15:45 |
| lbt | ps -ef | grep sched | 15:45 |
| lbt | then : rcobsscheduler start | 15:45 |
| slaine | FYI, this is the entry in obs-server | 15:46 |
| slaine | OBS_SCHEDULER_ARCHITECTURES="i586 x86_64 armv7el armv8el" | 15:46 |
| lbt | yep - looks correct | 15:46 |
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| slaine | nod | 15:47 |
| slaine | I'll try the above | 15:47 |
| slaine | Ah, got an error message when running it directly | 15:50 |
| slaine | Undefined subroutine &Build::get_sb2installs called at ./bs_sched line 643. | 15:50 |
| slaine | wonder if I'm using the correct Mer OBS tools repo | 15:51 |
| Sage | mdfe_: boss giving you a hard time ;) | 15:51 |
| lbt | Sage: kinda - broken release really | 15:52 |
| * trip0 mers | 15:52 | |
| mdfe_ | yep | 15:53 |
| trip0 | vgrade, ping? | 15:54 |
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| trip0 | where's mer's obs hanging at? | 16:04 |
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| slaine | lbt, any suggestions on where to look for get_sb2installs ? | 16:07 |
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| slaine | wondering if it's a perl module that I don't have installed or something | 16:08 |
| lbt | not right now ... I've been beating my head aganst LVM for days and can't get my OBS trial system working | 16:08 |
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| slaine | lbt, no worries | 16:14 |
| slaine | I'm gripping around to see what I can see | 16:14 |
| slaine | I think it's the obs-server package | 16:14 |
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| slaine | ok, looks like /usr/lib/obs/server/build is a symlink to /usr/lib/build | 16:17 |
| slaine | provided by the "build" rpm | 16:17 |
| slaine | I'm wondering of thats a conflict with the OBS setup | 16:18 |
| lbt | mmm | 16:18 |
| slaine | it's an opens use package | 16:18 |
| lbt | it should be using the latest 'build' | 16:18 |
| lbt | from Mer Tools :/ | 16:18 |
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| slaine | right, I don't have Mer:Tools repo | 16:19 |
| slaine | that was only added to the obs worker | 16:19 |
| slaine | Hmmm, adding tools repo doesn't update that. | 16:20 |
| vgrade | trip0, \o | 16:20 |
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| trip0 | vgrade, idk how to tell what kernel i need | 16:24 |
| trip0 | my serial number doesn't have any combination of 1n, 1f or 2m | 16:25 |
| trip0 | i just tried the 1n version. held down the power and vol- key. It said it was entering mmc recovery mode, then booted to android | 16:26 |
| trip0 | do you have that link from last night handy? | 16:26 |
| * trip0 should have put the link on the wiki last night... | 16:26 | |
| slaine | Am wondering if the Opensuse 11.4 upstream repo got an update for build that's broken the sb2 part | 16:27 |
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| slaine | What was the bug in lvm btw lbt ? | 16:34 |
| lbt | /lib/udev/rules.d/80-udisks.rules:KERNEL=="dm-*", OPTIONS+="watch" | 16:34 |
| lbt | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577798 | 16:34 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3698728 | 16:34 |
| lbt | needed to dmsetup remove /dev/mapper/virt-obsw1--root-cow | 16:34 |
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| lbt | which is .... broken | 16:34 |
| slaine | ugh | 16:35 |
| lbt | *nod* | 16:36 |
| slaine | I think I might want http://repo.pub.meego.com/Mer:/OBS%3a/Testing%3a/Devel/openSUSE_11.4/noarch/ | 16:36 |
| lbt | slaine: yeah - I need to pull the right versions together | 16:38 |
| trip0 | Stskeeps, has qt5 packaged? | 16:38 |
| vgrade | trip0 , there should be a serial number sticker with E7 and the model 1f,1n or 2m | 16:39 |
| vgrade | You should not need to press buttons | 16:39 |
| vgrade | you may have the 1GB version | 16:39 |
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| vgrade | trip0, http://opentablets.org/topic/13-installing-plasma-active-with-mer-base-on-zenithink-c71/ | 16:40 |
| trip0 | hrm | 16:41 |
| vgrade | see http://opentablets.org/topic/16-zenithink-c71-upgraded-to-1gb-ram/ for 1GB discussions | 16:41 |
| trip0 | m3c71-1m | 16:41 |
| vgrade | yea thats the new model | 16:42 |
| lbt | vgrade: can someone beat the opentablets.org admins with a large lump of wood until they get an email gateway :) | 16:42 |
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| slaine | lbt, that looks better | 16:44 |
| slaine | rebooting | 16:44 |
| vgrade | trip0, so no Mer on that for a while yet, will ping you when I have something? | 16:45 |
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| vgrade | lbt, email gateway? | 16:46 |
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| lbt | vgrade: yes - emai/forum gateway | 16:49 |
| vgrade | ah yes I see now, I'll suggest it | 16:51 |
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| slaine | facepalm | 16:59 |
| slaine | still not working | 16:59 |
| trip0 | vgrade, okay. I wonder what the hw diff is with this one | 16:59 |
| slaine | tired now and probably making silly mistakes | 16:59 |
| slaine | was hoping to have it building over the weeeknd | 16:59 |
| vgrade | trip0, I posted http://opentablets.org/topic/16-zenithink-c71-upgraded-to-1gb-ram/ which has boot logs from each device. Its a differnet main board so needs a new kernel | 17:02 |
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| vgrade | 1f vs m3c71-1m | 17:03 |
| vgrade | trip0, soneone else received that model as well even though they ordered the 512MB model | 17:05 |
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| trip0 | mmm. reading the thread. | 17:08 |
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| trip0 | vgrade, does the autoscript work as posted in http://opentablets.org/topic/16-zenithink-c71-upgraded-to-1gb-ram/page__view__findpost__p__126 ? | 17:10 |
| trip0 | yeh, i didn't think i was ordering a 1GB version either | 17:12 |
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| slaine | sigh | 17:29 |
| slaine | if I run the bs_sched as root user it works fine | 17:29 |
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| slaine | if I run it via the init.d/obsscheduler if exits | 17:29 |
| slaine | sigh | 17:29 |
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| slaine | but only for i586 | 17:30 |
| slaine | all other archs run fin | 17:30 |
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| vgrade | trip0, yea autoscript is working just need a kernel | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: well, we're seeing more of the settings program than lipstick on that :) | 17:52 |
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| Stskeeps | hey phaeron o/ | 17:56 |
| phaeron | hello | 17:56 |
| phaeron | loong time no see | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | how are you doing? was getting worried :) | 17:57 |
| phaeron | yeah I was quite ill :( | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully you're better now, we all missed you :) | 17:58 |
| phaeron | thanks, I have been offline for some time, and missed a lot of things | 17:59 |
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| phaeron | I am better now | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: many things are still the same though, but things are moving ahead | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | so should be possible to catch up fairly quickly | 18:00 |
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| phaeron | spent today catching up before logging on , saw the n9 article on lwn (just opened for non-subscribers) nemo mer got mentioned there | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:01 |
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| phaeron | any coverage is good coverage ? :) | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much, it's all about mindshare | 18:01 |
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| trip0 | vgrade, awesome. let me know if you need someone to test the new kernel | 19:17 |
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| phaeron | anyway gtg , see you tomorrow | 19:52 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Mentor automotive Linux job opening: http://tbe.taleo.net/NA8/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=MENTOR&cws=1&rid=452 | 20:21 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Senior architect position, GNU/Linux based on Yocto, pushing upstream. | 20:21 |
| Alison_Chaiken | US-Canada only regrettably, but works with Qt! | 20:21 |
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| _av500_ | Alison_Chaiken: hi :) | 21:16 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Hey, _av500. You've been quiet on the G+ of late. | 21:57 |
| Alison_Chaiken | The medications must be working. | 21:57 |
| Alison_Chaiken | (Dudes, that was a joke.) | 21:59 |
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| _av500_ | you stopped posting trollworthy stuff :) | 22:00 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | _av500_, I was travelling and annoying people in person for a change. | 22:22 |
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| _av500_ | ah | 22:22 |
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| vgrade | trip0, wilko | 23:34 |
| vgrade | Alison_Chaiken, guess you made your choice | 23:35 |
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