| hallyn | zebbiz_pi: what about adopting whisperfish? | 03:17 |
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| henk | are there any non-broken, actively maintained messaging clients? | 08:25 |
| abranson | the telegram ones are good these days. at least two actively developed I think | 08:29 |
| abranson | depecher and telegram'me | 08:29 |
| henk | hm, too bad telegram isn’t that great to begin with /-: | 08:32 |
| tadzik | centralized messaging rarely is | 08:35 |
| tadzik | or rather, messaging in general :P | 08:36 |
| henk | true | 08:38 |
| teeter | hmm, what's wrong with TG? | 09:25 |
| teeter | ìt's at least on par with WA depending with what you want | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | not nerdy enough for most folk around here i guess | 10:17 |
| Yaniel | the biggest thing wrong wth TG is that everyone uses WA | 10:19 |
| tadzik | I like telegram as my normie-IM | 10:23 |
| tadzik | my circle of friends uses it since one of us got an ubuntu phone and telegram was the only thing available on it :P | 10:23 |
| henk | a few things I can recall right now: AFAIU they did "roll your own crypto" which is just always a bad idea and nobody who ever chose to do this is to be trusted to do anything sensible for the next 10 years or so. they don’t do end to end encryption by default and I don’t see a reason why not. WRT to hongkong protests | 10:25 |
| henk | https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/08/25/chinese-agencies-crack-telegram-a-timely-warning-for-end-to-end-encryption/ | 10:25 |
| Yaniel | apparently they also did the crypto in the exact way all experts say not to, but "it's okay we have great mathematicians working on it" | 10:27 |
| tadzik | well, trusting it as a secure messenger is probably not the brightest idea, yeah | 10:27 |
| Yaniel | and they had some security bounty/contest thing and just dismissed submissions as "not really security issues" :D | 10:28 |
| henk | tadzik: but what is? tox? | 10:29 |
| henk | jabber with omemo or otr? signal? | 10:30 |
| tadzik | henk: anything decentralized and usable without a 3rdparty. That'd be tox, xmpp+otr and matrix, from the things I know | 10:31 |
| r0kk3rz | ricochet is probably the only one id actually trust for super secure spy stuff | 10:32 |
| henk | and there isn’t even an xmpp client in the jolla store, is there? | 10:34 |
| r0kk3rz | theres one built into the phone though | 10:34 |
| tadzik | ha, ricochet is looking cool oo | 10:36 |
| r0kk3rz | the guy who made it used to work for jolla | 10:38 |
| henk | r0kk3rz: uhm, ok, yeah, I found that and added my account but how/where do I see my contacts? how do I send messages? o_O | 10:42 |
| r0kk3rz | its not the most user friendly yeah | 10:45 |
| tadzik | you see your contacts in People :) | 10:53 |
| r0kk3rz | oh you're talking about xmpp, yeah its fully integrated into people and messaging | 10:57 |
| henk | soo, where do I add their jabber id? don’t see an obvious field for that | 10:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | im not sure you can add contacts that wey, never actually tried | 11:00 |
| r0kk3rz | the globe icon is IM contacts | 11:00 |
| r0kk3rz | but that was before the recent redesign, so.... not sure now | 11:01 |
| henk | ok, it seems I’m online but that’s about it. I don’t see contacts, I can’t add contacts, I have no idea how/where to send messages, etc. if anyone has any info on how to use the built-in jabber/xmpp client, please throw that my way! | 11:03 |
| tadzik | I think that if you add someone's xmpp address to their entry in People, they end up in your contacts | 11:26 |
| tadzik | then then from the People screen you can start an xmpp conversation with them, just like you can start an sms conversation | 11:27 |
| tadzik | but I haven't used XMPP for a while, it may have change or broke :/ | 11:27 |
| tadzik | changed* | 11:27 |
| tadzik | once you start then conversation with someone, then they'll be in your Messages app alongside the SMS conversations | 11:27 |
| tadzik | which is how all things should be instead of shitty apps for everything, but eh | 11:28 |
| henk | tadzik: I have looked through the "edit" screen for an entry and there doesn’t seem to be a field for "xmpp address". there is email and web and street address, etc but nothing that would make sense for xmpp … | 11:51 |
| tadzik | hm | 11:53 |
| tadzik | indeed, I don't see it either :/ | 11:54 |
| tadzik | I wonder if Jolla forgot about it during the People redesign | 11:54 |
| henk | sometimes sailfish/jolla seems really half-assed /-: | 12:26 |
| r0kk3rz | its kinda sad if they've overlooked it | 13:31 |
| teeter | TG is pretty cool, we've used it for years with a group of friends | 14:11 |
| teeter | it had a web and desktop client way before WA | 14:12 |
| teeter | also gifs and all sorts of other fun features :P | 14:12 |
| teeter | WA has catched up so now they are pretty much on par. I understand that TG is better for large (think hundreds or thousands of users) groups, at least the change logs have many features related to that. | 14:13 |
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