| Sm4 | "Android support update is going first for XA2. We shall see how feasible it would be for us to update the one on the Xperia X as well. Please stay tuned, we will communicate this." | 11:52 |
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| tadzik | :o | 11:52 |
| Sm4 | what bs | 11:52 |
| tango_ | I'm still on the first one | 11:53 |
| tango_ | no android updates for us 8-( | 11:53 |
| mornfall | likewise :( | 11:54 |
| Sm4 | feel really angry and betrayed atm | 11:54 |
| mornfall | Sm4: that's a bit of a recurring theme with jolla | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | I'm on Android and I get no Android updates :D | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | they promised updates for X? | 11:55 |
| Sm4 | there hasn't been specific mention that android on X will be updated, but imo it was implied | 11:56 |
| Sm4 | sailfish 3 coming to X + sailfish 3 getting an updated version of android | 11:58 |
| r0kk3rz | they are quite separate though | 11:58 |
| r0kk3rz | the issue is that the new runtime is android 8.1, which is fine for the XA2 because its base version is android 8.1 | 11:59 |
| mornfall | well, depends on how you look at it... for all i can tell, sfos3 is basically a UI tweak | 11:59 |
| r0kk3rz | on the X adaptation is android 6 | 11:59 |
| RaYmAn | r0kk3rz: isn't it based on Sony Open Devices project, not stock? | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | it is yeah | 12:01 |
| Nicd- | so they did move from Android 4 onwards after all :D | 12:03 |
| mornfall | can android run with mesa libgl, btw? | 12:06 |
| mornfall | (as in, could you run android with freedreno for a gpu driver?) | 12:06 |
| r0kk3rz | why on earth would you want to do such a thing | 12:09 |
| RaYmAn | to avoid the super crappy vendor drivers? :P | 12:14 |
| RaYmAn | mornfall: https://memcpy.io/android-enabling-mainline-graphics.html is one example so it is possible | 12:14 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: if you could do that, the kernel on jolla1 could be updated, along with the android runtime | 12:16 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: i don't think anyone is going to do, but i was curious in principle | 12:17 |
| tadzik | Sm4: where's that from? | 12:17 |
| tadzik | the quote | 12:17 |
| r0kk3rz | mornfall: maybe? no idea tbh. a bit dangerous for community members without flashable images | 12:18 |
| mornfall | 'a bit' :p | 12:19 |
| mornfall | no i think only jolla themselves could do that | 12:19 |
| mornfall | (to be fair, it's somewhat surprising they still put out updates for jolla1 at all) | 12:19 |
| mornfall | which is also why i think it's not going to happen | 12:20 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah jolla wont touch the core layers of the j1 | 12:20 |
| mornfall | btw. anyone noticed that if you open the app drawer and swipe from the side, the notification screen slides in from the wrong side? :p | 12:20 |
| mornfall | it's a little jarring | 12:21 |
| mornfall | (on sfos3 that is) | 12:21 |
| r0kk3rz | nice | 12:22 |
| Sm4 | tadzik: Noori commented on the sailfish 3 release blog post about 2hrs ago | 12:39 |
| tadzik | Sm4: nodnod, thanks | 12:40 |
| phlixi_o | and xa2 flashing instructions are online | 12:41 |
| caitlin | https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4862/45730123972_ee0b0d9a0f_c.jpg ? | 13:17 |
| caitlin | no androidses? | 13:17 |
| r0kk3rz | sailfish x free? | 13:27 |
| phlixi_o | i guess its not finished yet | 13:28 |
| phlixi_o | (AD) | 13:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its a bit of a cop out though | 13:31 |
| caitlin | i'm unclear on what's coming out today, just free or both? | 13:35 |
| caitlin | hard to read that page which has also stopped being served again | 13:36 |
| r0kk3rz | free it said | 13:36 |
| caitlin | ah well, i'd better go buy an iphone then :D | 13:37 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its getting about that time | 13:37 |
| * FireFly wants to start using their XA2 already | 13:37 | |
| FireFly | hoping I won't have to give up and roll with Android | 13:38 |
| caitlin | sites backup with full version as 'coming soon' | 13:47 |
| caitlin | that's been basically a lie then, nice work on trust there jolla | 13:47 |
| caitlin | maybe lineageos or whatever then | 13:48 |
| r0kk3rz | SoonTM | 13:51 |
| * Yaniel skims the purism page again | 13:55 | |
| * r0kk3rz wheels out akbar | 13:57 | |
| mornfall | hmm, any news wrt purism 5? :) | 14:01 |
| mornfall | librem 5 i mean | 14:01 |
| r0kk3rz | it was delayed | 14:01 |
| r0kk3rz | that was the news | 14:01 |
| mornfall | is it me, or was a smidge of schadenfreude in there :p | 14:03 |
| r0kk3rz | its a slow motion trainwreck of a project | 14:10 |
| r0kk3rz | so yes | 14:11 |
| r0kk3rz | my schadenfreude is in overdrive | 14:11 |
| r0kk3rz | but i wish them the best of luck | 14:11 |
| r0kk3rz | they're trying to do a hard thing in a hard way, and we all know how that works out | 14:11 |
| nekron | openmoko 2.0 | 14:13 |
| nekron | so the updated shop sells no longer licenses for xperia x, but only the try b4 u buy? | 14:16 |
| pketo | Xperia X license will be back soonTM | 14:19 |
| nekron | ok 😉 | 14:20 |
| caitlin | we whined so much about having an old version of android compatability that we got less android than ever :D | 14:56 |
| r0kk3rz | at least you arent tempted to try and use it now | 14:58 |
| caitlin | no, i have 100% android compatability by being on android :P | 15:00 |
| r0kk3rz | strange that | 15:04 |
| abranson | caitlin: in that case you're not on android, android's on you | 15:27 |
| caitlin | heh | 15:33 |
| caitlin | turns out there is a native subsonic client i can use so that's most of my arguments over | 15:33 |
| caitlin | the only other android app i regularly use is the bbc iplayer radio app | 15:33 |
| caitlin | i was wondering about getting back with spotify but meh | 15:34 |
| caitlin | everything else had already broken because dalvik | 15:34 |
| abranson | there's a new client called hutspot for spotify that's shaping up lovely | 15:35 |
| abranson | supports spotify connect | 15:35 |
| * pahartik at "Sailfish 3 day" | 15:37 | |
| mornfall | much wow | 15:38 |
| mornfall | what is it about? :p | 15:38 |
| caitlin | what's OBS? that's what hutspot seems to be assocated with | 15:40 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: well, they are doing a lot better job at talking to their supporters than jolla ever did | 15:40 |
| Yaniel | caitlin: open broadcast studio? a screen recording / streaming application | 15:41 |
| Yaniel | or open build service | 15:41 |
| Yaniel | which is the package builder for suse, sailfish and possibly some others | 15:41 |
| r0kk3rz | mornfall: do you want talk or something you can actually use? | 15:44 |
| FireFly | The most critical Android app for me is banking stuffs | 15:44 |
| FireFly | Which stopped being compatible with alien-dalvik-on-J1 last summer.. | 15:44 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: if they keep their support base happy, they might actually deliver something useful | 15:45 |
| mornfall | jolla could never make their mind whether they want a community or not | 15:46 |
| r0kk3rz | yes well community is a critical part of the purism strategy | 15:48 |
| Tofe | Wasn't there supposed to be a livestream of the Helsinki event? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGkyWm4RINU | 15:50 |
| mornfall | there's enough comparatively rich geeks willing to splurge on overpriced gadgets to keep the endeavour afloat | 15:50 |
| mornfall | i still don't understand how jolla managed to trainwreck the tablet so badly :\ | 15:51 |
| mornfall | it had a lot of momentum and goodwill during that campaign | 15:51 |
| r0kk3rz | it was a bit of a perfect typhoon that killed it | 15:52 |
| caitlin | hmm, the subsonic app i found that can actually do https doesn't actually work very well, abooo | 15:52 |
| mornfall | yeah, this just keeps happening to the maemo progeny :p | 15:52 |
| Tofe | ok, the stream is actually there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Ob80PRT3c was a misleading link | 15:53 |
| r0kk3rz | mornfall: the purism project is far from over though | 15:54 |
| mornfall | Tofe: okay that's literally painful to watch | 15:55 |
| Tofe | mornfall: yes, literally... | 15:55 |
| Tofe | mornfall: ...and it's over :) | 15:56 |
| mornfall | *phew* | 15:56 |
| mornfall | i thought there'll be footage of the free drinks! | 15:56 |
| mornfall | also that first one t-shirt /o\ | 15:57 |
| FireFly | Hmm I have my first one t-shirt somewhere | 15:57 |
| r0kk3rz | im surprised anyone went | 15:57 |
| Tofe | Android 8.1 support for Sony XA2, that's nice -- and a needed move I guess | 15:57 |
| caitlin | shame it's vaporware :) | 16:13 |
| FireFly | Hm "by the end of 2018" blah.. | 17:10 |
| caitlin | anyone clicked the button and got the install instructions yet? | 18:05 |
| caitlin | i'd rather like a read through them | 18:05 |
| caitlin | oh found some | 18:06 |
| r0kk3rz | should be much the same as the xperia x | 18:09 |
| caitlin | i wsa careful to ignore those because i didn't want to confuse myself :P | 18:12 |
| r0kk3rz | sure | 18:19 |
| caitlin | pondering this dirtycow ta dumping business | 18:33 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, if you want to put android back on it and relock the bootloader | 18:33 |
| caitlin | looks like a crazy process | 18:47 |
| caitlin | maybe not | 18:47 |
| FireFly | caitlin: what are you reading about it, ooc? | 18:59 |
| FireFly | (I've been interested in the same) | 18:59 |
| caitlin | mainly that you have to do horrific exploits to get at the TA partition which introduces all kinds of bits into its brains | 19:16 |
| caitlin | you only need it if you intend to pretend that you've NOT been rooting the thing for months and presumably want to take it back or demand a fresh one from sony | 19:16 |
| caitlin | a specific kit doesn't appear to exist for the xa2 | 19:16 |
| caitlin | it depends on a vulnerability to work and that isn't available after nougat? and i don't know the sequence of android names or what even is on my xa2 | 19:17 |
| caitlin | people are variously reporting that without the drm the camera is shit, but also that it's fine actually | 19:17 |
| caitlin | i'm coming down on the side of 'i really want the sailfish to install right so why would i dick around with a phone that's not VERY expensive and risk the whole show' | 19:18 |
| Jope | 7 n 8 o 9 p | 19:18 |
| caitlin | i have other insurances that would probably pay out if my phone went all bricked and i needed a new one and had no space on my credit card | 19:19 |
| caitlin | anyone flashed one yet and found out what kind of sd card support it's got | 19:19 |
| caitlin | i'm looking at a 128gig sd card and wondering if it'll work | 19:19 |
| ender| | since 64GB cards work, 128GB should work as well | 19:33 |
| FireFly | caitlin: oh I was more hoping for like, a link to what you were reading if it was a specific thing :p | 19:50 |
| FireFly | but thanks, appreciate the summary :) | 19:50 |
| FireFly | I'm mostly just paranoid about backing things up if I can, before doing things, and in particular if I can use these keys for something in the future I'd rather have them than not | 19:51 |
| caitlin | i was reading a couple of things, but they weren't going to be approprate anyway | 20:28 |
| caitlin | google around 'xa2 TA backup and you'll find everything id id | 20:28 |
| FireFly | *nod* | 21:21 |
| FireFly | I'll probably care more about this tomorrow/weekend | 21:22 |
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