| Nicd- | akaWolf: they have said they would open up stuff for 5-6 years now, I wouldn't trust their word too much on that | 04:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | the future is potentially quite a long time | 08:02 |
| mornfall | can anyone remind me how i install packages on sfos? | 11:55 |
| coderus | mornfall: click on file? | 11:55 |
| coderus | or ssh? | 11:56 |
| coderus | terminal? | 11:56 |
| mornfall | ssh | 11:56 |
| mornfall | from repos | 11:56 |
| mornfall | i need telnet :p | 11:56 |
| coderus | devel-su pkcon install-local $file | 11:56 |
| coderus | from repos devel-su pkcon install | 11:56 |
| coderus | dont forget to devel-su pkcon refersh before | 11:56 |
| mornfall | thanks, i couldn't remember the pkcon command name | 11:57 |
| coderus | it's PackageKit CONsole interface | 11:58 |
| mornfall | also no telnet? :( | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | why telnet? | 12:01 |
| mornfall | because the email client tells me nothing and the same setup works from the laptop which is hooked in the same network | 12:02 |
| mornfall | and it doesn't work, obviously :p | 12:02 |
| mornfall | journal is just full of connection refused, but fails to mention the address or the port | 12:03 |
| r0kk3rz | oh right, telnet from the device, not to it | 12:05 |
| mornfall | okay found it in inetutils | 12:05 |
| mornfall | pkcon search is crud | 12:05 |
| mornfall | (also pkcon docs) | 12:05 |
| mornfall | and of course the phone connects fine | 12:06 |
| mornfall | using telnet | 12:06 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, you can install zypper if you wish a more featureful cli | 12:06 |
| mornfall | so the snag is somwhere in the bowels of the baroque mailsync kitchen sink :( | 12:06 |
| r0kk3rz | pkcon is fine for basic package pulling | 12:06 |
| mornfall | okay this is bs :( | 12:09 |
| mornfall | there was a CLI tool for managing accounts, wasn't there? | 12:09 |
| mornfall | ag-tool, apparently | 12:12 |
| *** ecloud_wfh is now known as ecloud | 12:20 | |
| mornfall | well, account creation clearly only works on data and not wlan ... this is f*** up :( | 12:52 |
| mornfall | also IDLE is gone | 12:52 |
| coderus | what are you doin? or tryin to do? | 12:54 |
| mornfall | add an email account | 12:55 |
| mornfall | IMAP, namely | 12:55 |
| mornfall | well it sort of works now, just IDLE no longer works (this worked before on the same server) | 12:56 |
| mornfall | but wlan acts really weird on jolla1, tcp connections get stuck regularly | 12:57 |
| mornfall | i almost never connect to wlan at this point, it never worked correctly | 12:57 |
| mornfall | only for updates and when downloading big(ish) stuff | 12:58 |
| mornfall | (after the account is created, it can sync on wlan, just the initial creation fails, it seems) | 12:58 |
| mornfall | i wonder how librem 5 is going... because sfos is a huge mess that's not going anywhere :( | 13:01 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i wouldnt expect anything librem to be on sfos standard for like at least 6-7 years | 13:04 |
| r0kk3rz | i never had any issues with wifi on jphone... but its been a while since i used it | 13:05 |
| *** svalx_ is now known as svalx | 13:34 | |
| mornfall | well if they stop development after 2 years, yeah, in 7 it'll be like sfos is today :p | 13:35 |
| mornfall | bitrotten to the core | 13:35 |
| r0kk3rz | you seem to have a very jaded opinion of sfos | 13:38 |
| mornfall | come on, the browser doesn't work, the messaging app can only do SMS by now, email barely gets by, connman is still the same pile of broken that it was 4 years ago :( | 13:41 |
| mornfall | i run IRC with bitlbee to get working chat (but it doesn't work on wlan), make phone calls and use the flashlight (and the alarm clock) | 13:42 |
| mornfall | a few android apps still work, even though they complain a lot (i guess that is a minor miracle though) | 13:43 |
| r0kk3rz | i really dont see purism doing any better | 13:43 |
| r0kk3rz | they're mostly hoping to solve their problems through the magic of open source | 13:44 |
| r0kk3rz | on release their messaging app will only do SMS, not MMS | 13:45 |
| mornfall | i seriously considered getting the sony phone to run sfos at one point | 13:45 |
| mornfall | but well | 13:45 |
| mornfall | MMS was a tech of the past even in 2014 | 13:46 |
| mornfall | but the problem with sfos is that it is neither, it's not an end-user product, but it's also not a power-user OS | 13:47 |
| mornfall | everything is hidden and completely undocumented (other than extracting info in painfully small and hard-to-find bits buried in TJO) :\ | 13:47 |
| r0kk3rz | no, its a hackers os, which is fine by me | 13:48 |
| SQUelcher | The missing SIP client is a major hassle for me. | 13:48 |
| SQUelcher | (also: VoLTE, VoWiFi) | 13:49 |
| mornfall | well, you could try android apps :p but seeing that all videochat apps that i tried crash within 30 seconds on sfos, i guess something is broken somewhere | 13:49 |
| r0kk3rz | ive successfully done voice calls through whatsapp android | 13:50 |
| mornfall | even riot.im crashes :( | 13:50 |
| r0kk3rz | and i should plug matrix into gstreamer for webrtc voice calls too, which would be cool | 13:50 |
| mornfall | there's a native matrix client? | 13:51 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 13:51 |
| Nicd- | I just wish a "hacker's OS" didn't have to mean most of what a regular user wants is broken in some way | 13:51 |
| r0kk3rz | it doesnt necessarily, but these things are usually correlated | 13:51 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: well, i don't have a problem with ssh-ing into the phone, looking at logs, etc... but there's nothing useful, and the breakage is totally random | 13:52 |
| r0kk3rz | but thats what you get for trying to make a product out of open source | 13:52 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: the other jphone (my wife's) has a completely different set of weird behaviours from mine :( | 13:52 |
| mornfall | like persistently using data no matter what you do, so while i *only* use data she can only use wlan... it's quite crazy :p | 13:53 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: for some values of "open" | 13:53 |
| mornfall | i had to go as far as 'damage' the APN setting, because the phone would just randomly go and connect to data even if set to wlan-only :( | 13:54 |
| SQUelcher | I've got three WiFi APs in my flat. My Jolla C ends up logged into the weakest, almost every time.. | 13:54 |
| mornfall | also, this turns out to be totally a blast from the past, when there were more than 2 people to complain about jolla/sfos :D | 13:54 |
| Tegu | wifi doesn't really support proper roaming from what I understand | 13:55 |
| Tegu | compared to cellular technologies | 13:55 |
| SQUelcher | mornfall: Most operators nowadays ignore your APN settings and force you to the "right one".. So you could be out of luck in the future ;) (maybe set it to the MMS APN, so it is a valid, but unusable one) | 13:57 |
| mornfall | maybe i'll get sony phones and put lineageos on them, or something like that... paying for sfos seems pretty crazy at this point :\ depending on how purism pans out, or whether the jphones finally kick the bucket before they start shipping | 14:01 |
| r0kk3rz | grass is always greener | 14:06 |
| mornfall | i know for a fact that it's going to suck (in both cases), but it's barely possible to get by on sfos... (i could also return to not having a phone at all \o/) | 14:14 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah in many ways being an sfos user is an exercise in masochism | 14:14 |
| r0kk3rz | but the alternative is something more mainstream, like an android phone, or iphone | 14:15 |
| tadzik | hmm, I wouldn't say it's so bad, perhaps my phone usage is different | 14:16 |
| tadzik | the few moments I used android on my xperiax before flashing it were a pain to endure otoh | 14:16 |
| r0kk3rz | most of that pain was just phantom muscle memory though, it feels unfamiliar and uncomfortable | 14:17 |
| mornfall | well, apart from all the breakage, what mostly frustrates me that the 2 things i use most often are flashlight and ringtone on/off... those are available in completely different ways on sfos, which is just stupid | 14:17 |
| mornfall | ambiences are a failure but nobody wants to admit that :p | 14:17 |
| tadzik | erm | 14:19 |
| tadzik | I have a flashlight on a quick action, not sure if it's stock but there's definitely an "app" for that | 14:19 |
| tadzik | oh, you mean different ways | 14:19 |
| mornfall | i agree that making the background different for silent mode is cool, but that's about where the cool ends | 14:20 |
| tadzik | ambiances are fine for ringtone on/off if you configure them to be, they are indeed useless by default | 14:20 |
| tadzik | since it only brings the volume down without actually disabling the ringtone, so fuck you if you happen to accidentally press the volume up button | 14:20 |
| r0kk3rz | double tap voldown to silence is a good idea though | 14:21 |
| Tegu | it used to be so that pressing up does not increase ringtone volume.. | 14:22 |
| Tegu | I had a patch for that at some point but after some update I did not apply it anymore | 14:22 |
| Tegu | lazy | 14:22 |
| r0kk3rz | but yeah i do not like having my deliberately silenced ambiance being overridden by vol keys | 14:22 |
| SQUelcher | I'm still not certain what to use if my jolla c dies.. | 14:23 |
| Tegu | yea, it's annoying when the volume keys change ringtone volume or media volume depending on the state. if I want to make sure that media volume is not super high (in case I accidentally open something), I had to open a media app and change the volume there | 14:23 |
| Tegu | or maybe there's a slider in settings as well, not sure | 14:24 |
| Tegu | SQUelcher: same for me with J1 | 14:24 |
| tadzik | oh, so *that*'s what it is... | 14:24 |
| r0kk3rz | SQUelcher: buy a sony xa2, try your luck with android, if you really hate it buy sfos | 14:24 |
| SQUelcher | My wife still uses her Nokia E90 Communicator :] | 14:25 |
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