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| keithzg | Huh are SailfishOS sales not available to Germany, or is something just going wrong for my connection shop.jolla.com somehow? | 00:51 |
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| keithzg | *my connection to | 00:51 |
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| keithzg | Bah, finally got the store to accept me as a customer, but it just ended up with "There was a problem with your payment. Please try again!" | 01:36 |
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| keithzg | (As usual with such unhelpful error messages, no amount of trying again has changed anything) | 01:56 |
| tiwake | I need to figure out how to get a copy of SailfishOS from USA | 01:56 |
| keithzg | tiwake: I think I juuuuuust managed it, and honestly it's a PITA | 02:04 |
| keithzg | hahaha oh man "404 Not Found" on https://shop.jolla.com/downloads | 02:04 |
| keithzg | I have never worked so hard to give someone else money before :P | 02:04 |
| tiwake | keithzg: using a VPN? | 02:05 |
| keithzg | tiwake: I tried using a VPN, it didn't work. The store still gave that silly "not available in your country" error. | 02:06 |
| tiwake | how? | 02:06 |
| keithzg | I ended up just connecting via RDP to a server running in Germany and using a web browser within that RDP session, haha | 02:06 |
| tiwake | maybe browser information needs to be stripped | 02:06 |
| keithzg | Yeah quite possibly. | 02:06 |
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| keithzg | Anyways it *still* was a pain in the ass, wouldn't accept my credit card and wouldn't let me log in to PayPal. | 02:07 |
| keithzg | *But*, using my credit card as a guest via PayPal did work. | 02:07 |
| * tiwake takes notes | 02:07 | |
| keithzg | Many thanks to Digital Ocean for making it easy to spin up a Linux machine in Germany, no thanks to Jolla for adding so many hoops to jump through :P | 02:09 |
| tiwake | I can get a russian VPN easily | 02:10 |
| keithzg | I don't know if that's one of the paltry number of supported countries for SailfishX, I don't think it is | 02:11 |
| tiwake | hmm, seems you are correct | 02:12 |
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| keithzg[m] | Hmm what's the main UI font that's used in SalfishOS, again? (I'm going through the setup process on my Xperia X and I've been reminded of how beautiful it is) | 09:07 |
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| hahlo | in jolla 1, does nfc chip work? and if so are there apps what can used for example paying in the shops? what about android apps, do they work with nfc in jolla? | 09:24 |
| r0kk3rz | it does, but its not for general purpose use | 09:26 |
| r0kk3rz | its for TOH use only | 09:26 |
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| hahlo | ok | 09:35 |
| MMori | What's the best way to transfer contacts from sailfish to android? | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | exporting vcards i guess | 09:48 |
| MMori | Thanks | 09:51 |
| r0kk3rz | let me know when you cant find the export vcard button, its quite well hidden | 09:52 |
| MMori | :D I shall | 09:53 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm actually, either ive also forgotten or there is only an import button | 09:55 |
| MMori | :D | 09:55 |
| Tegu | I also went to the settings -> applications -> contacts but nope, only export | 09:55 |
| Tegu | also, in other news, I got the wifi working and managed to finish update to 2.1.4.14 \o/ | 09:56 |
| Tegu | (by sharing internet connection from a PC to the phone over USB) | 09:57 |
| MMori | whoa, that was easy | 10:06 |
| MMori | so my sms-history is lost right? no way to transfer to android? | 10:07 |
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| Tegu | only import* | 10:08 |
| r0kk3rz | MMori: a real pita way would be to set up something like owncloud i think | 10:09 |
| Tegu | if there is a way to import SMS history to Android, I guess it would be possible to exctract messages from Sailfish's SQLite database and mangle them to Android's format :D | 10:10 |
| MMori | I have really mixed up feelings about moving back to android | 10:10 |
| MMori | Yeah, someone must have done that before if that's possible | 10:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: ^^ | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | What | 10:34 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: | 10:35 |
| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: how did you transfer contacts and messages from sailfish to android? | 10:36 |
| Nicd- | I didn't | 10:37 |
| Nicd- | Messages were lost | 10:37 |
| Nicd- | Contacts are in Google | 10:37 |
| r0kk3rz | ah, thanks anyway | 10:37 |
| Nicd- | SMS aren't that important to me | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | Btw thanks Android: https://i.imgur.com/JechazX.jpg | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | Unlimited data plan and I can't download 75 MB worth of updates | 10:39 |
| r0kk3rz | hah! | 10:40 |
| r0kk3rz | sometimes i swear its too clever for its own good | 10:40 |
| r0kk3rz | at work we're stuck with a particular 5.1 version, that refuses to automatically connect to a wifi if it hasnt got internet | 10:41 |
| r0kk3rz | and they didnt put in a setting to turn that off until 6.0 | 10:41 |
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| Tegu | and android has no way of knowing if the WiFi connection is tethered mobile connection :D | 10:45 |
| Tegu | unless there is a way to mark that manually (like in Windows 10). so I presume it will just notice "oh we have wifi, cool, let's download" even if there is a a data cap | 10:48 |
| phlixi | in android you can tell "thats a metered wifi, dont do updates as on a regular wifi there" | 11:56 |
| phlixi | its ios that has this feature missing | 11:56 |
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| phlixi | to be fair, how should it know that without setting it manually | 13:18 |
| Tegu | yea, it can't. I could have replaced "android has no way" with "there is no way" but android was discussed | 13:25 |
| phlixi | there is a way :-) | 13:33 |
| phlixi | just click on the connection and edit the settings, there is a checkbox for metered | 13:34 |
| Tegu | :D yes.. maybe something like "there is no automatic way" | 13:34 |
| phlixi | how should that work | 13:34 |
| phlixi | how shall the android know that the wifi has a metered uplink? | 13:35 |
| Tegu | it would require some standardized way to indicate that kind of stuff.. perhaps over DHCP | 13:35 |
| Tegu | or something | 13:35 |
| Tegu | otherwise, nope | 13:35 |
| phlixi | wel, thats not androids fault that there is no such thing | 13:35 |
| Tegu | yea, it isn't, I never meant to blame android about that | 13:36 |
| phlixi | but ios is to blame, it has no such checkbox :D | 13:37 |
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| phlixi | ...unfortunately sfos also has no such checkbox, but to me it doesnt matter, since it does not update stuf automatically, instead it only notifies, which i prefer anyway | 13:40 |
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| FIQ | I'm a swede, and we use something called mobile "Bank-ID" (electronic ID of sorts), which in summer will enforce Android 5.0 or later. Those knowing what this is -- is there a way around this restriction? Otherwise I guess I'll have to buy a new phone... | 15:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | not really no | 15:31 |
| Sebban | FIQ: I migrated to running it in a Android virtual machine on my desktop computer instead, but that won't work if you need bankid on-the-go I guess | 15:33 |
| Sebban | I won't let some stupid banks stop me from choosing Sailfish :) | 15:34 |
| cb400f | in DK they're introducing some app for our digital ID thingy too, but seems they're not dropping the little piece of cardboard with the authentication codes (yet) | 15:37 |
| cb400f | but you also need android >=5.x to have the most popular debit card here on the mobile, not a big issue fortunately | 15:38 |
| FIQ | hmm | 15:39 |
| FIQ | yeah I guess I could look into running a VM | 15:39 |
| FIQ | so far I haven't needed it on the go | 15:39 |
| FIQ | and if that changes, meh, there's VNC | 15:39 |
| FIQ | or similar | 15:39 |
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| Sebban | beware that there are some guides that say that you cannot run Bankid in Android x86. They have a blacklist in Bankid that checks "ro.product.name" in Android and makes the app crash if it's android_x86 (and some other blacklisted strings), just to make life difficult for you | 15:44 |
| Sebban | if you change the string it works :) | 15:46 |
| phlixi | that sounds like how you should design your app... | 15:56 |
| phlixi | ...not | 15:56 |
| phlixi | its probably a pile of shit then | 15:57 |
| phlixi | do they dont have websites in se? | 15:57 |
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| phlixi | that said, afair jolla said something about updating alien... I personally dont think this will happen before summer though | 15:58 |
| phlixi | since its "already" 4.4 i asume its at least 5 then | 15:58 |
| Sebban | website for bankid? It's https://www.bankid.com/ and yes it is a pile of shit. We could have had an open solution for digital IDs, but we got this locked-in thing instead | 15:59 |
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| Sebban | yeah, the web page for Sailfish 3 says "Android support version upgrade" | 16:03 |
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| phlixi | will this (probably at least 5) be avail for existing devices? i dont know .-) thus you may need a new device anyways :-) | 16:08 |
| hahlo | when sfos 3 comes? | 16:10 |
| Sebban | I hope it'll come to the Xperia X because I bought one a couple of weeks ago ... | 16:10 |
| phlixi | i thnk chances are good | 16:10 |
| Sebban | haven't started using it yet though, because my Jolla just keeps on going :) | 16:11 |
| Sebban | hahlo: they said Q3 2018 | 16:11 |
| hahlo | cool | 16:11 |
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| phlixi | i guess q3 2008 means something like 2019 | 16:21 |
| phlixi | or reduced features^^ | 16:21 |
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| mornfall | phlixi: probably both :p | 20:34 |
| keithzg[m] | Have to say I'm quite happy with my Xperia X so far, other than in trying to change the OS lock PIN I accidentally locked the SIM card, oops | 20:48 |
| keithzg[m] | And the lack of tap-to-wake is unfortunate | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | that can be enabled i think, but its a bit experimental | 20:49 |
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| keithzg[m] | Well I have to admit, this Xperia X is in no way my primary device, so I'm quite alright with wandering over to the bleeding edge ;) | 21:30 |
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| phlixi | i also miss tap to unlock | 22:00 |
| phlixi | i read about the stuff how to enable it, but seems to burn the batterie, dont need that :-) | 22:00 |
| Lieke | i don't really miss it.. on the j1 i always had to tap like 5 times until it finally worked | 22:02 |
| phlixi | on j1 it (almost) always worked, but on the jc it felt often like tapping 5 times | 22:04 |
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