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| lolek | hi guys, I saw recently some rumors about sailfish supporting sony xperia x phone, so I'd like to ask you if sailfish can be also installed onto xperia x compact. From what I saw those phone from the hw are identical with the only exception beeing a screen size/resolution | 06:45 |
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| abranson | lolek: there's a community port for the x compact, and everything seems to work, but it's not officially supported right now | 06:49 |
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| lolek | abranson: that's a very good info and to be exact, by everything you mean Bluetooth also? as I saw on the jolla webpage that some parts (like bluetooth for example) are not working yet | 06:53 |
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| abranson | lolek: bluetooth's ok as of 2.1.4 | 07:30 |
| lolek | abranson: wow that's a good info, | 07:34 |
| lolek | abranson: ok so the last thing... encryption :) | 07:34 |
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| lolek | from what I saw on some news, it should be avaialbel in the 1q of 2018, or is it ready now? | 07:52 |
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| abranson | no idea | 07:56 |
| lolek | abranson: maybe you could poke someone here thats more in the subject of this part of the system? | 07:57 |
| abranson | lolek: you'll have to wait for an official announcement | 07:57 |
| Coolgeek | in https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-x-whats-next/, it says "During the first half of the year, we’ll be adding memory card encryption, filesystem encryption, and email encryption." | 08:00 |
| lolek | oh come on ;) I'm comming here form time to time waiting for this so I switch, right now I'm on my bb that's have time limit to end of 2019 and I don't want to got either with Android nor with iOS. Jolla is something I'm hoping will make a good alternative but without encryption it's a no go for me and probably for others Aslo the xperia x size is too much yet I can get it and try to see the phone if it works and how so later i could switch to the x | 08:00 |
| lolek | Coolgeek: yeah this is what I'm referring to, well then seems I have to get some X | 08:00 |
| lolek | btw how's the thing with licensing? | 08:01 |
| lolek | I mean, if I'll buy the sailfish for x and then would liek to migrate to x compact once there will be versin for it, will i have to buy another license or I'll be able to move the license? | 08:01 |
| Coolgeek | dunno, but I think it is 1 license / device | 08:02 |
| lolek | yes that's obvious but can It be moved? | 08:03 |
| Coolgeek | don't think so | 08:03 |
| lolek | hmm that's not good :( | 08:03 |
| Coolgeek | but I'm not a sailor, so.... | 08:03 |
| Coolgeek | maybe I'm wrong | 08:04 |
| lolek | Coolgeek: so, should I sent an official query or? | 08:04 |
| Coolgeek | did you search on TJC ? maybe someone asked it | 08:04 |
| lolek | tjc? | 08:04 |
| Coolgeek | https://together.jolla.com/questions/ | 08:04 |
| lolek | let me see | 08:04 |
| Bysmyyr | afaik it can be transferred | 08:05 |
| lolek | that would be great | 08:05 |
| Lieke | https://together.jolla.com/question/171911/sailfish-x-license-in-the-case-of-breaking/?answer=171916#post-id-171916 | 08:06 |
| lolek | there's also this: https://together.jolla.com/question/177615/transfer-jolla-license-to-a-non-official-phone/ | 08:07 |
| lolek | but if it's only for xperia then not a prob as if so I'll be moving inside xperia family | 08:08 |
| lolek | ok then I just need to wait for the encryption | 08:09 |
| Coolgeek | lolek: put a question on TJC, as the answer provided as for X=>X or Xperia=>other | 08:12 |
| Coolgeek | yours is for Xperia=>another Xperia member | 08:13 |
| lolek | ok, will try to do this | 08:14 |
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| phlixi | last time "end of q2" (which i sasume is the same as "first half of the year" meant in reality october :D | 08:16 |
| Coolgeek | phlixi: normal, Q1 start on june :D | 08:17 |
| phlixi | ^^ | 08:17 |
| phlixi | right now if your xperia with sailfish is lost or stolen, your data is unprotected. thats imho actually a problem | 08:19 |
| phlixi | i am looking forward to encryption, hoping this will change that problem | 08:20 |
| phlixi | as far as i understand on previous devices (j1 and jc) an atacker would at least had to break something to get into the device | 08:21 |
| lolek | well that's why I'm asking for this ;) | 08:22 |
| lolek | and let me check something... | 08:22 |
| pketo | yes, sailfish x license can be transferred to other device. currently one needs to contact customer care for that, but maybe some time in future there will be interface to manage your own licenses | 08:24 |
| lolek | pketo: that's not a problem for me, if I'll transfer it then I hope I'll do this only once | 08:25 |
| lolek | phlixi: funny thing, the first time I've asked for encryption was on Friday 11th of July 2014 and it was during conv with you ;) | 08:26 |
| pketo | yeah, usually people don't need to do it that often, but it would be less work wor us if people could do it by them self :) | 08:27 |
| lolek | well true, that's the other part of the story ;) | 08:27 |
| phlixi | back in 2014 the j1 at least was protected by a pin code | 08:31 |
| phlixi | (if you set one ofc) | 08:31 |
| cehteh | huh the xperia has no pincode? | 08:32 |
| phlixi | you just put an usb cable at boot | 08:32 |
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| lolek | phlixi: so you're saying that when I connect usb cable to the phone that's runing sailfish os then I can access everything right now? | 08:42 |
| lolek | so in other words I can't disable/limit usb functionality from inside of the os? | 08:43 |
| phlixi_m_ | in order to bring sailfishx on the xperia you have to unlock the bootloader | 08:53 |
| r0kk3rz | woo sailfish on brick phones! | 08:54 |
| r0kk3rz | i wonder if theres going to be any major ui rework for this 'sailfish 3' | 08:54 |
| lolek | phlixi_m_: well ok I think I don't understand all the details but once I'll load sailfish, can I lock down the bootloader? or it stays open? | 08:56 |
| r0kk3rz | for those wondering wtf im talking about - https://twitter.com/cybette/status/968044424658931712 | 08:56 |
| r0kk3rz | lolek: i dont think so, locked bootloader requires a signed image or something | 08:56 |
| lolek | hmm | 08:57 |
| lolek | not good :( | 08:57 |
| r0kk3rz | and the only way to relock is to backup your TA partition, and then put it back iirc | 08:57 |
| r0kk3rz | it would be nice if you could do that though | 08:57 |
| lolek | yeah but it will then be restored to the original so for xperia.. android...? | 08:57 |
| lolek | well I understand that this means someone has to sing it and again this means this needs money, right? | 08:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | its up to sony really | 08:58 |
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| Coolgeek | r0kk3rz: brick phone ? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW8vMmZWAAEhXal.jpg that ? | 09:04 |
| tadzik | r0kk3rz: so that watsapp on a featurephone is an example of this new UI? sick ;P | 09:04 |
| tadzik | ah, great minds think alike | 09:04 |
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| Tofe | I don't really get why SFOS on a feature phone: what about the touch-based UX ? | 13:23 |
| r0kk3rz | no touch screen | 13:23 |
| Tofe | r0kk3rz: well, yes, thus my interrogation | 13:23 |
| r0kk3rz | so obviously the touch based ux doesnt really come into it | 13:23 |
| Tofe | So it would sum up with Mer + a brand new adapted UI -- looks like a lot of efforts | 13:24 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla have been doing a lot of things like that behind the scenes | 13:25 |
| r0kk3rz | the point is to show how adaptable the os is to different requirements | 13:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i even saw a full buttonised zero gesture version of sfos once :) | 13:25 |
| Tofe | That I've understood, but running on smartwatches generally proves the point | 13:25 |
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| Tofe | (you'll say, the UX there is totally different too) | 13:26 |
| r0kk3rz | im talking about the ux layer mostly | 13:26 |
| r0kk3rz | but indeed that was also part of it | 13:28 |
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| Tofe | right; well, anyway, it's their choice to make, let's see how it goes | 13:29 |
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| Tofe | I wonder to which version of Qt they'll upgrade... Probably 5.9 I guess | 13:30 |
| r0kk3rz | it seems like a reasonable candidate | 13:32 |
| mal | quite probable, LTS is a good idea | 13:39 |
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| Kabouik_ | Did anyone identify a 4.5"-or-so sized modern phone in the pictures or videos of MWC? I'm interested in the Gemini as a replacement of my Jolla C, but not a big fan of the clamshell-only form factor, looking forward to the Livermorium device instead as my real new HWKB device. In the mean time, a small phone like Jolla 1 would be great. | 13:45 |
| r0kk3rz | nope | 13:46 |
| Kabouik_ | https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Sailfish3_Hero_Image_20-1.jpg trying to decipher this but I am afraid the small one in the middle is just a Jolla 1, and then the next "smallest" might be Xperia X, which is not small | 13:49 |
| Kabouik_ | Not sure what is the thing with round edges at center top. | 13:50 |
| r0kk3rz | inoi r7 maybe | 13:51 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm not sure i like this new top menu | 13:52 |
| Kabouik_ | Yeah probably | 13:52 |
| r0kk3rz | looks a bit fugly tbh | 13:52 |
| Kabouik_ | I like the new multitask with easier switch between the two last apps, but hope someone can come up with a patch to extend it to all applications depending on where the thumb is released | 13:53 |
| tadzik | where can we see this new top menu? | 13:53 |
| Kabouik_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnnngoFtrSQ | 13:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | @ about the 1min mark | 13:53 |
| tadzik | cheers | 13:54 |
| ahjolinna | what I have been reading jolla is going to support Sony Xperia XA2, Gemini PDA and also 4G feature phones | 13:54 |
| Kabouik_ | I'm fine with it if it makes bigger phones compatible with one hand. I really have trouble using my Jolla C with only one hand, and I don't have small hands. | 13:54 |
| Kabouik_ | They do say so in the video abobe ahjolinna. | 13:54 |
| Kabouik_ | above | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | gemini really shows the woeful multitasking screen on bigger screened devices | 13:56 |
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| phlixi_o | Kabouik_ if you are not limited to official support (android etc) then maybe x compact is an option for you | 14:14 |
| Kabouik_ | X Compact would indeed be great, but unfortunately I do need Android for some banking and parking applications where I leave that have no alternatives to Android :(. | 14:15 |
| Kabouik_ | (I cannot even park past 8 am if I don't have Android, how silly is that?) | 14:15 |
| phlixi_o | pretty silly if you ask me | 14:16 |
| Kabouik_ | I guess they would say that I can use iOS if I don't own an Android device. | 14:16 |
| Kabouik_ | :< | 14:16 |
| Kabouik_ | I was hoping I would see a X compact on the SF3 pictures somewhere, but it looks like the XA2 is the only new Sony announcement so far. They still say "dozen" of devices though, so there might be hope. | 14:18 |
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| Kabouik_ | Jolla 1, Jolla C, Jolla tablet, Inoi R7, Xperia X, Xperia XA2, Nokia 3110, watch(es), Inoi tablet, Gemini PDA... Did I miss something? That would still leave a couple spots for additional devices. | 14:21 |
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| phlixi_o | aqua | 14:24 |
| phlixi_o | turing | 14:25 |
| Kabouik_ | Erm, yeah you're right, Intex != Jolla C, and Turing was somewhat official. | 14:25 |
| phlixi_o | especially if some marketing guy has to count the devices :D | 14:26 |
| Kabouik_ | Still, marketing guys said "over a dozen" actually. I can grasp to my hopes forever. :P | 14:26 |
| phlixi_o | ^^ | 14:27 |
| phlixi_o | according to comments on blog.jolla.com x compact works great | 14:27 |
| Kabouik_ | Yeah but it's a community port, if Anbox was functional I would definitely go for one | 14:27 |
| phlixi_o | but i have no idea how to get android uspport on it. i guess its possible somehow | 14:28 |
| Kabouik_ | James Noori said here (https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-x-whats-next/) that they have decided on "the" next SFX device, and that it's "one" of the latest generation devices. Guessing he was referring to the XA2. | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | it is | 14:30 |
| mal | Kabouik_: maybe they also include the south american devices they have been working on, you skipped those | 14:34 |
| Kabouik_ | I don't know about them | 14:34 |
| mal | they have mentioned the south american things in previous blog posts | 14:36 |
| Kabouik_ | Oh, ok, to be honest I have not followed their blog | 14:36 |
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| Kabouik_ | Then I'll still focus on the "over" of "over a dozen". :D | 14:36 |
| mal | even 13 would be over a dozen | 14:40 |
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| Kabouik_ | I know, I'm just kidding, but I do know 13 is more realistic than 300 (which is over a dozen too). | 14:40 |
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| phlixi_o | na | 14:42 |
| phlixi_o | over a dozen is only 13-23 | 14:42 |
| phlixi_o | then its multiple dozen | 14:43 |
| Kabouik_ | You're being pessimistic to make me sad. | 14:43 |
| phlixi_o | iidk english, "dozens"? | 14:43 |
| r0kk3rz | over 9000! | 14:44 |
| Kabouik_ | Better. | 14:44 |
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| inz | Does over 9000! mean over 8.1e31681? | 20:14 |
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