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| pdanek | Hello! | 13:02 |
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| Yaniel | hi pdanek | 13:02 |
| pdanek | You guys who are attending FOSDEM, are you also meeting Tizen devs? | 13:02 |
| pdanek | Is there any collaboration between Sailfish and Tizen? | 13:02 |
| andrewalker | I think Tizen is dead... | 13:04 |
| Yaniel | I did hear it's running on some smart tvs still | 13:05 |
| Yaniel | but that was last year | 13:05 |
| pdanek | Dead? | 13:06 |
| pdanek | Tizen is used more and more | 13:06 |
| pdanek | Basically in all smart devices from Samsung, apart from Smartphones | 13:06 |
| andrewalker | OK, according to wikipedia it's alive | 13:06 |
| pdanek | Tizen 4.0 released this year | 13:06 |
| pdanek | *will be | 13:07 |
| pdanek | Samsung can't kill Tizen | 13:07 |
| pdanek | They use it for everything | 13:07 |
| Yaniel | IMHO the more interesting one is purism right now | 13:07 |
| andrewalker | yeah | 13:07 |
| andrewalker | agreed | 13:08 |
| pdanek | Smart TVs, smart fridge, smartwatch, smart everything | 13:08 |
| pdanek | All is running in Tizen | 13:08 |
| andrewalker | I see... Well, I can't speak for Jolla, but I'm not aware of any partnership or collaboration. | 13:08 |
| pdanek | Do you think Purism can be what Jolla wanted to be? | 13:09 |
| Nicd- | no | 13:09 |
| andrewalker | Also, I was at FOSDEM, at the SailfishOS meeting, and nobody there claimed to be from Tizen, so I guess they didn't meet :) | 13:09 |
| pdanek | Do they have the chance to be in mass market? | 13:09 |
| pdanek | I see | 13:09 |
| Nicd- | purism doesn't have the money | 13:09 |
| Yaniel | purism is certainly not going to be in mass market anytime soon | 13:09 |
| Yaniel | at this point I'm not very sure what exactly jolla wanted to be so hard to say about that | 13:10 |
| pdanek | I still think that Tizen is very underrated | 13:10 |
| phlixi_o | what in the world makes you think something like jolla or purism is relevant for "mass marked". you should know by now, that average joe (aka massmarked) doesnt give a shit about free software, privacy and similar things | 13:10 |
| pdanek | Sure they had crappy code, sure security isn't the best. but they're getting things done and it's used everywhere basically | 13:11 |
| pdanek | Tizen is the biggest chance Linux ever had to become mainstream | 13:11 |
| pdanek | If you ignore Android | 13:11 |
| andrewalker | phlixi_o: well, even those who give a shit about free software and privacy have reasons to avoid Sailfish OS... | 13:12 |
| andrewalker | so even in that perspective Jolla hasn't achieved what they wanted (if that's what they wanted) | 13:12 |
| Yaniel | purism currently looks like they could do well in that niche | 13:13 |
| Yaniel | but we'll see how it turns out | 13:13 |
| pdanek | I think samsung has improved in software area tremendously | 13:13 |
| phlixi_o | andrewalker: i see that as the unique selling point of jolla/sailfish. its free of google. android is superior to sailfish in every other aspect... | 13:13 |
| pdanek | They have good talent | 13:13 |
| pdanek | Or just huge amount of people with medium talent | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | phlixi_o: but there is already LineageOS | 13:14 |
| phlixi_o | andrewalker: and why? | 13:14 |
| Yaniel | phlixi_o: proprietary UI is a big factor | 13:15 |
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| phlixi_o | Yaniel: yes, in a dream world, also the ui gets opened, but until then, we live in real world, where some bits of the ui are closed... | 13:16 |
| phlixi_o | ...go with open moko then :D | 13:16 |
| Yaniel | purism intends to have a fully open stack AFAIK | 13:16 |
| Yaniel | from firmware to UI | 13:16 |
| phlixi_o | for now, i categorize purism as vapor vare | 13:17 |
| Yaniel | as I said, we'll have to wait and see | 13:18 |
| phlixi_o | once they prove different, thats nice, and id love to see that, but in the real world we live in right know, its highly unrealistic what they claim they qwant to achive | 13:18 |
| andrewalker | phlixi_o: it lacks certain features like FS encryption, encrypted comms, VPNs... I mean, you can do all of that, but it's a lot of work (you likely need stuff from openrepos, maybe command line), or it is buggy. When you install apps, they don't tell all the permissions they require as Android, so it's less private on that regard. It probably has a lot more security bugs than iOS or Android. | 13:19 |
| Yaniel | they also have their laptop line so it's less likely that they have to quickly release something half-assed just to stay afloat | 13:19 |
| andrewalker | don't get me wrong, I use SailfishOS daily as my only phone, and I want it to succeed. | 13:19 |
| andrewalker | but it's currently lacking in several regards | 13:19 |
| andrewalker | and one might argue it's not better than alternatives | 13:20 |
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| phlixi_o | andrewalker: yes, thats exactly what i mean with "android is superior to sailfish in every regard, except one" ...it is not designed in order to snoop for google on you | 13:21 |
| andrewalker | well, then you also have iOS :P | 13:23 |
| phlixi_o | im sold in the moment apple lets me host my own icloud | 13:23 |
| phlixi_o | ...but they wont do that | 13:23 |
| Yaniel | ...or that, or that, or THAT | 13:24 |
| Nicd- | at least they mostly care about privacy | 13:25 |
| Nicd- | vs google | 13:25 |
| ender| | my mother recently bought a new phone (Xperia L1), she had Lumia 920 before. the UI is so much worse (at least the things she uses - phone, contacts and messages) | 13:28 |
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| Kabouik_ | Hey hi, I kept postponing the SF 2.1.3.7 update for my Jolla C, but now finally decided to proceed. | 14:38 |
| Kabouik_ | Except when I try to update, the phone reboots, tries to upgrade, and then fails and prompts something not very helpful like "the update could not be installed", then reboots (and works correctly, fortunately). | 14:39 |
| Kabouik_ | It might be relevant ot note that I have two patches that I can't seem to uninstall: App Locker, and Devicelock faith text, maybe this is what prevents the update? | 14:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: after the meeting we had with purism i wouldnt be backing the librem 5 unless you want a nicely intentioned ornament | 21:05 |
| Yaniel | :/ | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | not planning to change any tech for now, just having high hopes for 2020 | 21:06 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, i hope they think about what we said and maybe they'll come around | 21:10 |
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