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| Kabouik | Does anyone have any idea of how many native SFOS application are there currently? Someone is comparing SFOS to Windows Phone, and I have several reasons to disagree on the comparison but I would also like to know the size of their respective ecosystems. | 10:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | eh... microsoft would win that easy | 10:35 |
| Kabouik | Yeah but what order of magnitude? Hundreds or thousands of apps? Including Openrepos I mean. | 10:35 |
| r0kk3rz | hundreds, i dont think thousands | 10:36 |
| Nicd- | also most WP apps are total crap | 10:36 |
| r0kk3rz | imo 'number of apps' is a shitty metric | 10:36 |
| cehteh | when you consider the s/n ratio, sfos wins :D | 10:36 |
| cehteh | 10 useful apps from 11 available :D | 10:37 |
| r0kk3rz | i havent used WP enough to really comment | 10:37 |
| cehteh | me just thinks about android/play store | 10:38 |
| r0kk3rz | but from a devices sold perspective, WP blows sfos out of the water | 10:38 |
| cehteh | millions of apps, 99.9999% are crap | 10:38 |
| Kabouik | Yeah Nicd-, totally agree on that. I think the ratio of good/bad apps has always been much better with Maemo/Harmattan/SFOS. It probably has to do with the absence of ads. | 10:38 |
| Kabouik | There is no need to code a crap app if you can't monetize it. | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | well SFOS has a lot of crap apps too :D but not for monetisation reasons | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | but at least most are well intentioned apps | 10:39 |
| cehteh | jolla/sfos lacks some absence of functionality/features too, but whats there usually works and is not annoying | 10:39 |
| r0kk3rz | but yes, theres not many ways to compare these things where sfos actually comes out on top | 10:40 |
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| cehteh | actually when you only consider the native sfos application status, its pretty bad, few nice things, but nothing really innovative and the state of the OS as in 'smartness', assistants, interoperation between apps etc is years behind | 10:43 |
| cehteh | well and not only comparing to android, i used a apple newton in the 90's which had features even android cant do | 10:43 |
| cehteh | global search, interopration between objects from all applications, an awesome clipboard (why didnt anyone ported that to linux/x11/android?) | 10:45 |
| cehteh | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhivPLXrLjk | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | im not sure people would like that these days | 10:49 |
| r0kk3rz | people dont trust their apps | 10:49 |
| cehteh | yes today you need to manage permissions for every shit | 10:56 |
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| tadzik | is there an up-to-date list of things that Sailfish X actually supports on Xperia? Stuff like fingerprint reader and such | 13:43 |
| r0kk3rz | not that i know of | 13:45 |
| r0kk3rz | it doesnt do fingerprint though, or nfc | 13:46 |
| tadzik | I seem to recall it was not supposed to do bluetooth at first, but it eventually did | 13:49 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, fingerprint and nfc will take a lot more work though | 13:50 |
| tadzik | right | 13:53 |
| r0kk3rz | BT only really partially works anyway | 13:53 |
| tadzik | I guess I should go ahead and contribute my 50€ then :) | 13:53 |
| tadzik | partially? | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | check TJC for various reports | 13:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | because theres like 1000 different BT profiles and devices and eras, some things work and some dont | 13:54 |
| tadzik | I had my moment of weakness when I considered how everything mostly works on android and it's not a major pita in surprising number of ways, and maybe I should just stick to it like a normal person would, but 5 minutes with stock android cleared my head | 13:55 |
| tadzik | "give google access to this? Give Sony access to that?" and a cherry on top, a windows 10-esque "I scheduled system update for tomorrow between 2 and 3 AM for you" | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | yes, a different set of 10,000 paper cuts | 13:56 |
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| tadzik | I guess I'll always be able to roll back to lineage or some island of at least partial sanity | 13:58 |
| r0kk3rz | unfortunately theres some problems with doing that | 13:58 |
| tadzik | oh? | 13:59 |
| tadzik | once you go X you can never go back? ;) | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | sony impregnated drm everywhere so any alternatives are slightly broken in some ways | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | the worst one is probably the noise cancelling mic which means that voice calls cant be too loud | 14:00 |
| r0kk3rz | *echo cancelling mic | 14:00 |
| tadzik | ah, in that way | 14:00 |
| tadzik | I thought that flashing X actually makes it impossible to reflash it into anything else later | 14:00 |
| r0kk3rz | not entirely | 14:00 |
| r0kk3rz | sony gives you a flash tool so you can flash back to stock OS, but still missing drm shite | 14:01 |
| tadzik | huh | 14:01 |
| r0kk3rz | anyway, have fun! | 14:05 |
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| tadzik | thanks :) I'm in now | 14:39 |
| tadzik | it seems unable to install the "premium" stuff from store though, android support, exchange and th like | 14:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | tadzik: logged in with your account? | 15:00 |
| r0kk3rz | the same one used to purchase sailfish x licence | 15:00 |
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| tadzik | r0kk3rz: yeah, a reboot fixed it, as someone on TJC said it would | 15:12 |
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| tadzik | lol, seems like backups can only be restored from the sdcard, not from the internal storage | 15:49 |
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| Kabouik | My SD card suddenly became unreadable, and cannot be mounted from the SFOS UI. | 16:11 |
| Kabouik | Here is what I get from terminal: https://hastebin.com/ahotaqaces | 16:11 |
| Kabouik | Any ideas? | 16:11 |
| Kabouik | It became unreadable after the phone fell and rebooted (probably the battery moved a little), but it was not a hard fall and I don't think there was anything writing on the SD card at the moment. | 16:11 |
| Kabouik | Fsck reports "bad magic number in superblock" | 16:12 |
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| coderus | google ext4 recovery superblock fail | 17:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | hmm it would seem im getting quite a lot of binder errors on my jolla c... | 18:07 |
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