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| entil | chriadam_: the testing version at https://together.jolla.com/question/158893/caldavcarddav-testing-volunteers-requested/ was apparently available until today but some other time zone, or like until today excluding today, so does that mean an update is coming out soon? I would have downloaded it just now to try on the xperia x | 08:32 |
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| chriadam_ | entil: after the meeting on Monday, I will reproduce an updated build after I've merged the recent MRs, and upload that | 08:33 |
| chriadam_ | regarding the next update, I'm still not certain precisely which changes will be in it and which will have missed the deadline | 08:34 |
| chriadam_ | there was CI/infra issues for a while, then I lost internet connectivity for a while, etc | 08:34 |
| chriadam_ | ping me on Tuesday if I haven't updated the TJC link :-) | 08:34 |
| entil | ok, no worries, no hurries | 08:34 |
| entil | and thanks :) | 08:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Slush2017_Jolla_Zipper_pressrelease_FINAL.pdf?x39789 | 08:50 |
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| Nicd- | blockchain smartphone? | 08:53 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed | 08:54 |
| cehteh | m( | 08:54 |
| entil | wtf | 08:54 |
| cb400f | got my final tablet moneyz back, didn't even expect to get further refunds after I had elected to deposit my money as credit in the jolla shop, but it's all good... I hope | 08:55 |
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| rigo | I want a blockchain cybercloud of things Jolla for Industry 4.0 | 09:12 |
| rigo | to steer my electrical car in a smart city allowing me to fraud my smart meter | 09:13 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds awesome, lets do that | 09:13 |
| rigo | r0kk3rz: I bet you'll get VC money for that one :-p | 09:14 |
| entil | what's the point with this zipper thing? buy cryptocurrency, spend it on commercial apps in the jolla store? | 09:14 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: not sure how that fits together with jolla yet | 09:15 |
| entil | sounds like wasted effort to me | 09:15 |
| entil | like the secure version of sailfish to be done in co-operation with ssh | 09:16 |
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| rigo | maybe the new platform for everything. I heard that Bosch has removed all android devices from their park | 09:16 |
| entil | not sure why it didn't materialize, but I'd wager that it's because no one needs a separate fork, the os should be secure and safe by default | 09:16 |
| entil | and very few people need blockchains for anything | 09:16 |
| entil | rigo: their what park? | 09:16 |
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| rigo | parc | 09:19 |
| rigo | fleet | 09:20 |
| rigo | devices | 09:20 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed google must have some good dirt on all the companies with android fleet devices | 09:22 |
| entil | a dishwasher should not be android, not even linux, and all the least online | 09:23 |
| entil | too bad making actual software for these things is more expensive than installing android/linux/whatever | 09:24 |
| entil | the argument could pretty much be made for phones as well :D how funny is that | 09:24 |
| r0kk3rz | so they should make a bespoke OS for each thing? sounds like a lot of effort to me | 09:25 |
| M-schmittlauch | entil: But what if zipper global would offer you the possibility to get cryptocoin tokens for letting companies get the data of your dishwasher? | 09:25 |
| M-schmittlauch | (yay, surveillance capitalism) | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | M-schmittlauch: at least you can get paid in something other than funny pictures and advertisements | 09:25 |
| entil | M-schmittlauch: sell it as a customer advantage, that they can make greener devices based on the data from your dishes | 09:26 |
| entil | Optimized Water Technology 9000 | 09:27 |
| M-schmittlauch | r0kk3rz: but this still sets the wrong incentives: Privacy shall be everybodies right, not only of the people who can afford *not* to sell their data. | 09:27 |
| rigo | talking about dishwasher, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51v47NC6Et4 this was known early :) | 09:27 |
| entil | that could almost be a valid case, but the risks and bother of IoT aren't imo worth it, they have r&d to figure out greener products | 09:27 |
| r0kk3rz | M-schmittlauch: that boat sailed a long time ago | 09:27 |
| r0kk3rz | these days people are seemingly willing to part with significant data for tangental benefits to themselves | 09:28 |
| rigo | M-schmittlauch: if it would be that simple, this would be great | 09:28 |
| entil | basic privacy is pretty easy, don't use google, but if you must, you should use it in porno mode, and get off facebook as soon as possible, and all other bs social media | 09:28 |
| rigo | r0kk3rz: no, the boat is approaching a cliff on 28 May 2018 | 09:28 |
| entil | don't read buzzfeed and the likes | 09:28 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: yeah its easy, find yourself a log cabin somewhere remote and never leave | 09:29 |
| entil | the steps above are not "log cabin" measures | 09:29 |
| entil | at least they work for me just fine | 09:29 |
| r0kk3rz | sure if you want to ignore the other 1000 ways someone is tracking you | 09:30 |
| entil | ghostery and friends in the browser of course as well | 09:30 |
| rigo | r0kk3rz: it is not that dramatic. Our research has identified about 485 trackers | 09:30 |
| rigo | I have them all in my hosts file :) | 09:30 |
| rigo | use more than one browser (jolla hasn't compiled e.g. vivaldi) | 09:31 |
| rigo | use more than one search engine (eg. qwant.com duckduckgo.com hulbee.com etc) | 09:31 |
| rigo | this makes them already pretty blind | 09:32 |
| rigo | against pervasive monitoring by governments, it is a little harder, You need encrypted email and TLS almost everywhere | 09:32 |
| rigo | but it's coming | 09:32 |
| r0kk3rz | rigo: eh. im not just talking about whats on your computer, thats only part of the picture | 09:33 |
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| rigo | sure, the telcos have a full picture. But I have some window to see partly what they do. And this is reassuring | 09:37 |
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| rigo | r0kk3rz: note that even US companies now move their data to the EU as they are fed up with the "sharing economy" where you get some bogus service and they use, abuse and reuse your data in all possible ways | 09:38 |
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| Coolgeek | yop | 14:18 |
| Coolgeek | Just bought SailfishosX, flashed it successfully | 14:19 |
| Coolgeek | tried to install "store" to access android apps on aptiode | 14:19 |
| Coolgeek | but not icons => can't launched it | 14:19 |
| Coolgeek | I installed android support before hand | 14:19 |
| Coolgeek | is this a know issue ? | 14:19 |
| r0kk3rz | known issues are usually on tjc, try searching there | 14:20 |
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| Coolgeek | nothing there :/ | 14:25 |
| Coolgeek | maybe trying in #sailfishos instead | 14:25 |
| r0kk3rz | generally the same people are in there as in here | 14:26 |
| Coolgeek | just trying :p | 14:27 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe pketo knows | 14:27 |
| r0kk3rz | it did actually install right? | 14:28 |
| inte[m] | Which store? | 14:31 |
| inte[m] | Try e.g. f-droid which barely Reliefs in dependencies | 14:32 |
| Coolgeek | "store", as shown in jolla store | 14:32 |
| inte[m] | Can you install Android APS from the jolla store? | 14:32 |
| Coolgeek | yup | 14:33 |
| Coolgeek | just did | 14:33 |
| Coolgeek | hmm, trying to update my jolla account right now | 14:35 |
| inte[m] | Is the fingerprint reader eventually supported now? | 14:38 |
| Coolgeek | don't think so | 14:38 |
| Coolgeek | hmm, after updating my joll account, it goes further | 14:39 |
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| inte | Problem solved :) | 14:50 |
| Coolgeek | yup :) | 14:52 |
| Coolgeek | should had made a typo then | 14:52 |
| Coolgeek | but no error :( | 14:52 |
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| pketo | hmm | 15:56 |
| pketo | Coolgeek: did it show the android store as installed, but did not show the icon in launcher? | 15:57 |
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| phlixi_o | Jaymzz are you there? and correct one to ping for bad link on jolla.com? | 16:56 |
| phlixi_o | https://jolla.com/#News => the slush picture links to old february announcement press pdf https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/China_announcement_MWC2017_FINAL.pdf?x39789&x12599 | 16:57 |
| phlixi_o | it should probably link to something different | 16:57 |
| phlixi_o | ...and there are more bad links | 17:03 |
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| phlixi_o | the picture of "Press release, November 30, 2017" links to a few months old press release | 17:04 |
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| phlixi_o | ...and by the way, if a product is advertised to me with "Share your location with nearby shops and earn $2 worth of ZIP tokens" i am very likely not buying it... but thats just my $.02 | 17:18 |
| phlixi_o | gn8 :- | 17:18 |
| phlixi_o | ) | 17:18 |
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| inte | can someone briefly explain what zypper is and how it is related to Jolla? https://zipperglobal.com/ | 19:15 |
| r0kk3rz | its not really related to jolla aside from being built from ex-jolla people | 19:19 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure how involved antti is with jolla these days | 19:19 |
| inte | you receive a free jolla x license if you contribute | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah theres something of a parnership going | 19:20 |
| inte | the thing is that i barely understand what blockchain does and that ive never heard of Etherum before | 19:20 |
| inte | ah, etherum is sth like bitcoin i presume | 19:21 |
| r0kk3rz | it is, but its also a lot different to bitcoin | 19:22 |
| r0kk3rz | ethereum is more of an application platform, where its quite easy to make your own system on top of it | 19:23 |
| inte | i guess that is too complex for me | 19:23 |
| inte | can i mine etherums? | 19:23 |
| r0kk3rz | you can | 19:23 |
| inte | how long does it take to mine the required 120$ equivalent on average hardware? | 19:24 |
| r0kk3rz | i have no idea... and you mine on a graphics card so idk what 'average hardware' means there | 19:24 |
| inte | yes sure difficult :) | 19:25 |
| inte | nevermind | 19:25 |
| inte | im out | 19:25 |
| Nicd- | can you even mine ethereum anymore with GPUs? | 19:25 |
| Nicd- | BTC is all ASIC | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but thats bitcoins | 19:26 |
| r0kk3rz | ethereum deliberately chose an algorithm that needs lots of high bandwidth memory | 19:26 |
| r0kk3rz | which is found on consumer grade graphics cards | 19:26 |
| Nicd- | so GPU farms it is then | 19:27 |
| Nicd- | I mined 0.08 BTC back when it was possible, took 2 weeks | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | so you *could* make an asic for ethereum, but it would look a lot like a graphics card anyway and probably not gain you anything | 19:27 |
| Nicd- | have since lost them I guess | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: might be worth trying to find them, at the current price of $10k per bitcoin :) | 19:27 |
| Nicd- | already tried, disks are formatted I gues | 19:28 |
| Nicd- | my friend has 1 BTC in a truecrypt volume | 19:28 |
| Nicd- | but he lost the password... | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | lol | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | oops | 19:28 |
| inte | well, see, thats another thing. I'm quite in digital stuff, but I only trust real money | 19:31 |
| Nicd- | most money is digital anyway :P | 19:31 |
| sakustar | my gold aint | 19:31 |
| inte | call me old fashioned but I'd never understand people using credit cards for all sort of things | 19:31 |
| sakustar | :[ | 19:31 |
| inte | i barely use mine | 19:31 |
| inte | except for the atms | 19:32 |
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| inte | and maybe when I fuell my car. or buy a tv or sth. | 19:32 |
| inte | and for online payments if necessary | 19:32 |
| inte | but id never even take a card with me when going out at night | 19:33 |
| r0kk3rz | whats not to trust about card payments :P | 19:33 |
| inte | tourists are somewhat "robbed" in the clubs at night with huge credit cards bills every other day | 19:34 |
| inte | and chances are I could run into the same issue ;) | 19:34 |
| inte | and, i dont see any sense in it anyways | 19:34 |
| r0kk3rz | its usually quite easy to sort out | 19:35 |
| inte | it hard to control how much you spend if you dont touch the money | 19:35 |
| inte | and, its even more difficult to give tips when paying by cards | 19:35 |
| inte | poor staff | 19:35 |
| r0kk3rz | tips suck anyway | 19:35 |
| inte | my ex-gf was working in a bar | 19:36 |
| inte | poor salary, but the tips were which made the job worth doing it | 19:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | exactly, its an excuse to pay the staff shit wages because 'oh they get tips too' | 19:36 |
| inte | they often have fair prices here, e.g. a beer is 2.70, so you'll pay 3 | 19:37 |
| inte | well, I'm sure they wont lift the wages if the majority of customers would pay by card | 19:37 |
| inte | apart from that, most restaurants and especially bars do not even accept credit cards | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | anyway, most machines ive seen ask for a tip amount | 19:38 |
| inte | well, i dont mind, might be unusual for tourist from e.g. UK though | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | what restaraunts and bars do you go to? i havent seen one without a card machine in years | 19:38 |
| inte | r0kk3rz: I honestly dont know that. Only saw sth. similar once, when i paid in a restaurant in the carribean | 19:38 |
| inte | you were ask to write the tip on the recipe, and they would later add it to the bill. | 19:39 |
| inte | there it did make sence, because we were sailing and every other island had its own currency | 19:39 |
| inte | r0kk3rz: probably depends on the country, but in Hamburg you can't pay by card in most bars and many restaurants | 19:40 |
| inte | you're allowed to smoke in most bars though. | 19:40 |
| inte | We love tradition ;) | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | inte: in sweden they dont even ask, they just hand you the machine :P | 19:40 |
| inte | well id surprise them when i pay by cache | 19:41 |
| inte | i leave my cards at home pretty often | 19:41 |
| inte | espacially for short trips | 19:41 |
| inte | small purse | 19:41 |
| inte | risk of loosing the card | 19:41 |
| inte | would be anoying especially when abroad | 19:42 |
| inte | i'd rather leave it in the hotel safe | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | then yes, i dont think you need blockchain anything :) | 19:42 |
| inte | well its on the phone but from what i understand its about making digital money like e.g. bitcoin but not for actually paying in restaurants | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | some things are like that, not all things are though | 19:45 |
| inte | i might check that later | 20:04 |
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