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| TMavica | Anyone got slave email? | 06:43 |
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| TMavica | Anyone ever have this problem? https://together.jolla.com/question/172549/no-sound-from-earphone-during-phone-call-in-sailfishx/ | 06:54 |
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| coderus | slava.monich@jolla.com | 07:25 |
| coderus | https://openrepos.net/content/slava/ofono-logger | 07:25 |
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| TMavica | Sent him log but no response | 07:41 |
| coderus | let him some sleep :) | 07:47 |
| TMavica | I mean 3 days ago already sent | 07:48 |
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| pdanek | Hello | 10:55 |
| pdanek | So | 10:55 |
| pdanek | After deciding to buy N900 | 10:55 |
| pdanek | I thought why not to have small collection | 10:55 |
| pdanek | In the past I wanted to buy some phones/PDAs but didn't | 10:56 |
| pdanek | Now maybe it's the time to buy them for collection | 10:56 |
| Nicd- | already sold my Jolla, sorry | 10:56 |
| pdanek | Nokia E90 = cool phone? Worthy of being in the collection? Will I be still able to get apps for it? | 10:57 |
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| pdanek | Palm TX = cool PDA? Worthy of being in the collection? Will I be still able to get apps for it? | 10:57 |
| Aard | it's a great pda, you should be able to find apps, but most of the commercial apps probably won't work anymore | 11:03 |
| pdanek | For a collection and experiencing palm os in general (never used it before), would you rather recommend TX or Treo 680? | 11:03 |
| pdanek | Treo is smartphone but obviously I will no longer need 2g function | 11:04 |
| Aard | the 680 doesn't have wifi, so you'll need to get internet either by 2g or through a bluetooth nap. the tx has a way bigger display, and the traditional palm input methods (which are surprisingly good) | 11:05 |
| Aard | as phone and organizer I loved the 680, for just playing how palmos feels the tx might be better | 11:06 |
| pdanek | Cool, thx | 11:06 |
| pdanek | Aard: any other not mentioned smartphones or PDAs you recommend? | 11:07 |
| Aard | I never had the tx myself, only used it from friends. I went Vx -> treo 270 -> treo 680 -> centro | 11:07 |
| Aard | siemens ic35 is an interesting piece of history | 11:07 |
| SQUelcher | hey Aard :) | 11:09 |
| Aard | he | 11:09 |
| Aard | y | 11:09 |
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| pdanek | Aard: so you think for best possible Palm OS experience today, Palm TX is the choice? :) | 12:19 |
| pdanek | Will I be amazed by the OS? | 12:19 |
| pdanek | How does it compare to Symbian? | 12:20 |
| Jope | uh | 12:20 |
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| pdanek | Aard: I found both TX and T5 for similar price | 12:57 |
| pdanek | Which one should I buy? | 12:57 |
| pdanek | There is wifi SD card for T5 | 12:58 |
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| Aard | pdanek: tx makes more sense. also take into account that the battery will be pretty much dead, so check tutorials how to change it first | 13:14 |
| pdanek | Aard: but T5 has faster cpu and more memory? | 13:15 |
| pdanek | And the only difference seems wifi? | 13:15 |
| pdanek | And if I can get wifi sd card | 13:15 |
| Aard | the OS is pretty boring (though imo more userfriendly than symbian). it just concentrates on being a good pda - so it does great calendaring and addressbook, and everything else is optional | 13:16 |
| Aard | cpu doesn't really matter that much on those, they're not that useful for web browsing, and that's about the only cpu intensive task. most of the 3rd party applications you'll try out come from the palmos 3.x/4.x era where a 20mhz cpu and 8mb ram was high end | 13:17 |
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| pdanek | Well | 13:23 |
| pdanek | I expect many apps from palm | 13:23 |
| pdanek | Kind of Android of the past | 13:23 |
| pdanek | Thousands of games too | 13:23 |
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| Aard | yeah, but again, most of those target palmos 3.x/4.x | 13:24 |
| pdanek | Ok | 13:24 |
| pdanek | Aard: but still you say I should go for tx then? | 13:24 |
| pdanek | Not older palm? | 13:24 |
| pdanek | I think T5 has some magnesium kind of case | 13:24 |
| pdanek | While TX is plastic | 13:25 |
| Aard | it depends on what exactly you're trying to do. palmos 5.x are the ones were you have a chance to do things like playing mp3s or simple web browsing (though I'm not sure if it's still possible to get the mp3 players) | 13:26 |
| pdanek | Aard: I think many apps were paid back then | 13:27 |
| Aard | there wasn't something like an appstore around, so it was harder to make money with apps. almost all of the stuff I was using back then was freewark | 13:27 |
| pdanek | Isn't it possible to get all apps free nowadays from some community website? | 13:27 |
| pdanek | Right | 13:27 |
| Aard | no idea, I switched from palm to n900 when I was at nokia in 2010, and all my palmos devices have the apps still loaded | 13:28 |
| Jope | palmos apps can probably be found via bittorrent these days | 13:28 |
| Jope | but getting them legally may be difficult | 13:28 |
| pdanek | I see | 13:29 |
| Aard | problem is that most paid apps are tied to a specific device, and the activation services are most likely no longer around. if it's not interesting enough to be cracked you're out of luck | 13:29 |
| Aard | the freeware applications should still be easy to find | 13:30 |
| Jope | ah they had serial number tie-ins.. makes sense | 13:31 |
| Jope | lots of old symbian sw was also imei based | 13:31 |
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| pdanek | https://youtu.be/T7j2pzBofYU | 13:33 |
| pdanek | Ok so getting Palm TX for Palm experience | 13:34 |
| pdanek | For Symbian, which device you recommend me to get for old phone collection? | 13:34 |
| pdanek | E90 or something else? | 13:34 |
| Jope | that's a difficult one, symbian was rather fragmented | 13:37 |
| Jope | there was a binary break for 3rd edition | 13:37 |
| Jope | and then again later | 13:37 |
| Jope | one of each edition really :-P | 13:37 |
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| pdanek | Hmm | 13:38 |
| Aard | well, palm had a binary break between 4 and 5 as well, due to moving to a completely different architecture, but they just shipped with an emulator | 13:38 |
| pdanek | Which one of each edition? | 13:38 |
| pdanek | I have no idea of Symbian phones | 13:38 |
| pdanek | If you can list some would be terrific | 13:38 |
| pdanek | I want to have experience of each OS | 13:38 |
| pdanek | I still have Nexus 5, where I will reinstall Sailfish | 13:39 |
| pdanek | Then N900, Palm, some Symbians | 13:39 |
| Jope | 1st ed probably 3660 or n-gage qd.. 2nd ed 6600 or 6630, 3rd ed something like e71 or n90 .. | 13:40 |
| Jope | after that it gets hazy | 13:40 |
| Jope | I really stopped giving a damn after the n900 came along | 13:40 |
| Jope | no more symbaaaal for me | 13:40 |
| inte[m] | The pureview was auch great symbian phone | 13:44 |
| Aard | I'm using a pureview as camera still. for running symbian it doesn't suck _that_ bad, but the camera is great | 13:45 |
| inte[m] | Regarding Palm, I would have loved to see the foleo being released to the market | 13:46 |
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| inte[m] | Yes the pv cam is great and elop stopped it becoming aber success too | 13:47 |
| pdanek | Jope: why just regular smartphones and not communicators like E90 and older? | 13:47 |
| pdanek | Are the communicators having same good Symbian experience? | 13:48 |
| inte[m] | The sony Ericsson P1i was one of the best phones i ever had | 13:49 |
| Jope | the e90 is basically a 3rd edition experience like others | 13:49 |
| Jope | so if you want a 3rd ed phone, why not get that one | 13:49 |
| Jope | the older communicators are s80 devices or geos devices | 13:49 |
| inte[m] | Symbian, too | 13:50 |
| pdanek | Ok | 13:50 |
| pdanek | But 3rd ed was still very popular with thousands of apps? | 13:50 |
| pdanek | Or already dying? | 13:50 |
| Jope | still strong at 3rd ed | 13:51 |
| Jope | 5th ed was a flash in the pan | 13:51 |
| pdanek | There was even 5th? | 13:52 |
| pdanek | So then even 4th | 13:52 |
| Jope | no 4th | 14:01 |
| pdanek | How does the Sony Ericsson Symbian experience compare to Nokia's? | 14:01 |
| Jope | probably because asia + fear of fours .. no idea.. nokia respected the fear of fours a lot | 14:01 |
| Jope | UIQ is rather different. it's all in the ui | 14:02 |
| pdanek | Something like P990 looks really cool | 14:02 |
| Jope | unforch I was a company man back then so I rarely looked at what the others were doing. | 14:02 |
| Jope | later I found out that the old three sausages company was actually quite a lot better in smart and dumbphones than we were | 14:02 |
| Jope | but such is life when you're focused on your own thang | 14:02 |
| Jope | and have 42% market share. | 14:03 |
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| inte[m] | pdanek: as i said the P1i was an amazing device! | 14:13 |
| pdanek | Will I be able to run standard Symbian apps on Nokia communicator with wide screen? | 14:15 |
| pdanek | I mean not optimized ones | 14:15 |
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| inte[m] | Depends on the device. Earlier models Wer running s80 (epoc) | 14:17 |
| SQUelcher | Some of them are working on the E90, but most won't | 14:19 |
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| pdanek | Hmm | 14:21 |
| pdanek | Let's say I'm not limited to E90 | 14:21 |
| pdanek | But limited to Nokia Communicator line | 14:21 |
| pdanek | Which one should I choose? | 14:21 |
| pdanek | Still E90 or older one? | 14:21 |
| pdanek | Jope: ok I see you already talked about that | 14:27 |
| pdanek | Older ones are S80 | 14:27 |
| pdanek | Isn't Symbian s80 better than s60? | 14:28 |
| SQUelcher | No, it's just completely different | 14:37 |
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| pdanek | Hmm | 14:42 |
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| pdanek | Ok decided, I will buy Palm TX and Nokia E90 | 15:09 |
| pdanek | For Windows Mobile experience | 15:09 |
| pdanek | Which device would you recommend guys? | 15:09 |
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| Aard | pdanek: not windows mobile, but the older windows ce - ipaq. especially the 36xx, 39xx and 54xx series. the 54xx mainly because it comes with built in wifi | 15:15 |
| Aard | they have a pretty cool jacket system, and are rather hackable. there used to be several linux distributions for it around, and the 3630/3650 can even run plan9 | 15:16 |
| pdanek | Nice, thanks | 15:16 |
| pdanek | Aard: that would cover Windows | 15:17 |
| pdanek | What about Sharp Zaurus? | 15:17 |
| pdanek | Significant enough to get it? | 15:17 |
| kimmoli | i wish i could resurrect my samsung i780 | 15:17 |
| Aard | windows ce sucks as pda, palm was years ahead of them. but makes it up in hackability and multimedia capabilities | 15:17 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: why are you creating a collection of obsolete mobile devices? | 15:18 |
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| Aard | zaurus was probably interesting for both qt and showing off that it's possible to do a linux pda. I have some of the original models | 15:18 |
| Aard | some of the clamshell devices are pretty neat as well, and capable of running bsds | 15:19 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: isn't collection usually of something older or obsolete? | 15:19 |
| pdanek | Some people collect old cars, why? | 15:19 |
| * tbr still has an compaq jornada sitting around *sigh* | 15:19 | |
| tbr | hp jornada, sorry | 15:19 |
| tbr | 720, the keyboard version | 15:20 |
| Aard | tbr: there was a snap on keyboard using the jacket interface for the ipaqs | 15:20 |
| tbr | yeah | 15:20 |
| pdanek | Aard: which Zaurus would you recommend me to get then? :) | 15:20 |
| tbr | the two PCMCIA interfaces were nice though | 15:20 |
| tbr | I had a wifi card and a pcmcia hdd | 15:21 |
| tbr | 5GB awfully expensive and slowwwww | 15:21 |
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| tbr | and a gprs pcmcia card | 15:21 |
| tbr | could even do phone calls >.< | 15:21 |
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| Aard | I still have a box full of jackets. single pcmcia with battery, dual pcmcia, gps, camera, ... | 15:24 |
| inte[m] | /ne had a Compaq ipaq once, with pcmcia. I also installed Linux on that | 15:24 |
| inte[m] | Me | 15:25 |
| inte[m] | Damned SwiftKey | 15:25 |
| pdanek | It seems ipaq h5500 is just better version of h5400? | 15:26 |
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| pdanek | Ok, I will get: | 15:29 |
| pdanek | Palm TX | 15:29 |
| pdanek | HP Ipaq H5400 or 5500 | 15:29 |
| pdanek | Nokia E90 | 15:30 |
| pdanek | Nokia N900 | 15:30 |
| pdanek | Sailfish will be covered by my Nexus 5 | 15:30 |
| pdanek | Am I missing anything important apart from Zaurus? | 15:30 |
| pdanek | I'm probably not going too far into the past like Psion devices.... I'm too young to remember that. | 15:31 |
| Aard | pdanek: yep. both 5500 and 5400 are less hackable than the 3xxx models, but still accept jackets | 15:35 |
| pdanek | Let's say the primary reason is to get them for Windows part | 15:35 |
| pdanek | Btw the more times I play with Galaxy note 8 in shops, the more I realize how much I missed stylus | 15:37 |
| pdanek | It's so amazing feeling to use stylus again :) | 15:37 |
| pdanek | Maybe Galaxy Note 9 should be my next smartphone | 15:38 |
| pdanek | It will already have Linux on Galaxy probably | 15:38 |
| pdanek | There are things that you can't do without stylus on smartphone | 15:38 |
| pdanek | Like playing RCT Classic | 15:39 |
| pdanek | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atari.mobile.rctc | 15:39 |
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| pdanek | Actually, if I need ipaq for the windows mobile experience, do I need to care to get the Jacket compatible version? | 15:57 |
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| pdanek | Guys | 16:02 |
| pdanek | I am lost in Windows Mobile | 16:02 |
| pdanek | If I buy HP Ipaq H5400 or H5500, will I get support for majority Windows mobile apps? | 16:03 |
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| Aard | pdanek: no, there were multiple binary breaks between the various mobile windows versions. ipaq runs some old windows ce/pocket pc binaries | 16:18 |
| pdanek | Oh right | 16:18 |
| pdanek | So which Windows device should I get to cover majority? | 16:18 |
| pdanek | Similarly as s60 3rd gen is most representative for symbian | 16:19 |
| pdanek | Which one for Windows mobile? | 16:19 |
| Aard | I don't think there's such a device, usually they broke it in both directions. the ipaqs were mainly popular because of the sleeve system for extensions | 16:20 |
| Aard | at least around me no other mobile windows platform became that popular | 16:20 |
| pdanek | Ok | 16:23 |
| pdanek | Aard: and regarding the Zaurus | 16:23 |
| pdanek | Any specific one you could recommend to get please? | 16:23 |
| pdanek | Should I just aim for latest model? | 16:23 |
| Aard | I only have the first one myself, and played with newer one occasionally. they were neat, but always a bit too expensive | 16:27 |
| pdanek | Aard: SL-5000D? | 16:33 |
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| pdanek | I feel so excited about my idea of having smartphone collection | 17:09 |
| pdanek | Even can't sleep | 17:09 |
| pdanek | :D | 17:10 |
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| pdanek | Sir Alan, lol | 17:41 |
| pdanek | Turing is back | 17:41 |
| pdanek | It's cool and all, but how can they pay for it? | 17:42 |
| pdanek | For that 24 hour unlimited service with this phone price-range | 17:43 |
| pdanek | Especially since they had some debts previously to their investors | 17:43 |
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| pdanek | Ok, my bad | 17:52 |
| pdanek | It's pretty costly | 17:52 |
| pdanek | And that sir ala | 17:53 |
| pdanek | Has annual cost too | 17:53 |
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