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inte[m]how does the downgrading actually work?09:32
inte[m]according to the reademe at sailfishmods one should downgrade to the commercial and journalists image09:33
inte[m]http://sailfishmods.de/2017/07/howto-sony-xperia-x-teil-1-cda-drm-keys-bootloader/09:33
inte[m]does that not work?09:33
inte[m]Im currently downloading this image in order to downgrade my (uk) xperia x09:34
inte[m]i like the fingerprint reader though. i presume that does not work in sfos yet, unfortunately?09:35
r0kk3rznot yet09:38
inte[m]well i guess i can survice without that for the beginning :)09:38
r0kk3rzit might come eventually, but i expect it will be a while09:39
inte[m]is this a driver thing?09:39
r0kk3rzmostly a middleware thing i believe, there isnt any09:39
inte[m]regarding fingerprint lock, there is enough software available for linux, e.g. for thinkpads09:39
inte[m]hopefully it will :)09:40
inte[m]and bluetooth is not yet working at all?09:40
r0kk3rzit works09:40
inte[m]so why did i read elsewhere it wouldn't?09:40
inte[m]well, i don't mind09:41
inte[m]am I downloading the right image for downgrade?09:41
r0kk3rzits still a bit rough around the edges, but in general it works09:41
inte[m]Firmware 34.0.A.1.264/R2A09:42
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inte[m]well ill hope so then09:57
* inte[m] about to flash...09:57
inte[m]:)09:57
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inte[m]argh failed to unpack10:10
inte[m]mh i presume that is because im downloading to a fat32 partition10:10
inte[m]damned10:10
inte[m]probably needs more than 4gigs10:11
inte[m]no: a manual gunzip returns invalid compressed data--format violated10:16
inte[m]maybe i download again10:17
inte[m]...for another hour or so10:17
inte[m]or could that be due to a rw-order when if the unzipped file exceeds 4gigs on the win partition?10:18
inte[m]i think its feasible but maybe someone knows10:18
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pahartikinte[m]: I am currently trying same thing, wanting to extract "DRM keys" before anything else10:38
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pahartikinte[m]: But, "XperiFlash" has not worked enough to download anything and "FlashTool" has got some library for "x86" while I am running on "arm64"10:47
intemh, ok im on amd6410:48
intexperiflash works fine10:49
inteat least for the download10:49
intenot sure if my gzip problems are related to the diskspace or the file itself10:49
inteim currently downloading again and will then diff against the previous download10:50
pahartikinte: I always get tree of devices but then "ERROR: Invalid CDF list received" when it is probably supposed to show list of system images available on server10:53
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intemaybe a shared libs issue?10:54
intedont you have a amd64 system for testing?10:54
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pahartikinte: Not really, probably could try to borrow something10:58
inteout of curiosity: what system are you using?11:03
intea raspi?11:03
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r0kk3rzchromebook?11:04
inteor even something like: https://www.avantek.co.uk/powerful-64bit-arm-thunderx-desktop-workstation-aarch64/11:04
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inteor a winRT surface SCNR :)11:06
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pahartikinte: It is "ODROID-C2"11:13
inteah ok11:13
pahartikinte: Got it recently, so it is easy to test things... Having not wanted to install random things like "mono-complete" on my "armhf" laptop workstations11:16
intewell, download through xperiafirm doesnt appear to work anyways, though11:18
pahartikinte: Oh, not architecture problem then?11:19
inteno im on x8611:19
inteit downloads something but it appears corrupted11:19
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inteappears to be11:19
intei have now restarted the entire software to download one more time11:20
intewill tell you in a minute11:20
pawkya bit out of topic, but has anyone tried some version where you put debian on the phone and run android as a chroot?11:20
intewell, rather in an hour or so11:20
integrr11:20
inteim not familiar with android so no, i havent11:21
inteand i wouldnt know how to achieve that11:21
inteid prefer a direct download link too, though11:22
pawkyinte: havent read the backlog, but if its about flashing the phone as per instructions for installing sailfish I gave up doing on my linux machine and installed emma on a windows box...11:22
inteits about backing up the keys in the first place11:22
pawkyinte: hmm... as far as I know you shouldnt be able to, but on XDA I read something about being able to do so and howto11:23
inteyeah you need to downgrade to 6.0 first11:23
pawkyon the other hand, if you want to root your phone, I believe those keys will be a gonner anyway..11:23
intethats why im trying to download this particular firmware11:23
intesure but still i might want to revert to android11:24
pawkyok... on sony's sites they say you can only upgrade, not downgrade...11:24
intei surely will not11:24
pawkyinte: I went back yesterday11:24
pawkyspend all day reinstalling reconfiguring my phone.11:24
intebut im not too much the throw-away-guy11:24
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pawkylol... i know what you mean.11:25
pawkyI went back to a 7.1.2 version11:25
pawkyrooted11:25
inteand you could backup the keys11:25
inteno if its rooted already you couldnt11:25
pawkyoh.. no I did a "you" there...11:25
pawkyi never backed them up11:25
intei see11:26
inteyeah i read if id revert to 6.sth, backing up the keys was possible11:26
pawkybut then again, i couldnt live with an un-rooted phone11:26
pawkyi want firewalls, I want su.. i want it all ;-)11:26
intewell as i said im not familiar with android11:27
pawkymaybe, but then again, what am I missing out that would have been there should i have had the keys?11:27
pawkybloatware?11:27
pawkyspyware?11:27
phlixi_oresale value11:27
inteisnt it better device drivers11:27
pawkyno possibility to limit what my phone sends to whom ad to what11:27
intebetter camera11:27
inteand stuff11:27
intei dont know11:27
pawkyphlixi_o: oh.. well I have never sold any phone I have owned.11:27
inte:)11:27
pawkyi just stack them... nicely11:27
abransonpawky: Xperia Bravia features etc. And OTA updates of Android11:28
pawkybut the last one will be a bit hard to stack.. as its just a receipt from Jolla ;-)11:28
inteoh, updates are a valid argument11:28
pawkyabranson: what are those Xperia features? :-)11:28
phlixi_opawky well, then you dont need them, but you asked what those keys might be good for... one thing that comes to my mind is resale value, not much more, if you intend to operate in rooted mode only anyways...11:28
pawky:-)11:28
r0kk3rzpawky: image processing algos, noise cancelling algos, that kinda thing11:29
pawkyr0kk3rz: ahh...11:29
r0kk3rzi think its also got something to do with the camera focussing ago as well11:29
abransonpawky: some sort of casting functionality with Sony TVs too I think11:29
pawkythat would have been cool of course11:29
inteis there a patch against the wpa-issue for xperia already?11:29
r0kk3rz*algo11:29
pawkyinte: havnt seen it11:29
abransonpawky: nothing generically android though, only for the Sony software11:29
pawkyabranson: and this cannot be bought from the Xperia store?11:30
intei recently saw lineage os is available for the xperia x now too11:30
pawkyinte: yes, but only testing11:30
abransonpawky: no, the Sony software checks for those drm keys when it runs, and only enables those features if they're present.11:30
r0kk3rzpresumably to try and stop you reverse engineering the secret sauce11:31
intewould it be possible to copy those keys from one device to another?11:31
pawkyinte: that doesnt sound like one could11:31
pawkyI presume they are uniqe to your phone somehow...11:32
inteor maybe incorporate those keys into sfos to install sony image processing algos and stuff?11:32
intesony android apps11:32
intedont which sony software utilizes those keys at all11:32
intedont know11:32
abransoninte: no, i've been told the keys are device specific11:33
abransonand that trying to copy them from another device can brick it11:33
inteabranson: then ill better back them up11:33
pawkybricking it sounds a bit harsh... :-(11:34
intedid i mention that i really like the fingerprint feature of the xperia x?11:35
inteI do :)11:35
Jopefingerprints are not passwords!1!11111:35
intenever had a fingerprinting sensor on one of my phones before... :)11:35
JopeI never taught my prints to any phone so far :-)11:35
pawkyususally I hate them... but this one i like as well, but hcssss don't tell anybody ;-)11:35
r0kk3rzinte: just turn off the device code and pretend :)11:35
inteJope: never had a password on any of my phones before :)11:35
inter0kk3rz: i probably will11:35
Jopeyow11:36
Jopealways gotta have a passwd..11:36
Jopethat thing has your email11:36
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Jopeor well .. if it doesn't, then no problem :-)11:36
pawkywell.. not if you dont loose your phone11:36
Jopethat's a great solution :-)11:36
intewell im not doing any business through my email11:36
intebut sure i better do11:36
Jopeall your passwords can be reset via your mail address :-)11:36
intebecause of jeallous girls ;)11:36
Jopeso .. best not lose your phone.11:36
pawkyyou've got a point there though11:37
Jopemany helpful sites mail you the same passwd in plaintext11:37
Jopewhich is insane11:37
Jopebut it happens..11:37
pawkylots of things can be done through ones mail11:37
inteactually, my email is encrypted through pgp11:37
Jopeso the attacker potentially has your passwd if you reuse it .. and everyone does11:37
intei can only read my emails through the webinterface and password11:37
intewhich is of course not stored11:37
Jopeok, so you don't use the phone's mail client?11:37
intethe email client is rather notification only11:37
Jopehmmm11:38
inteand calendar/contacts sync11:38
inteJope: i cant use it because it doesnt support pgp11:38
intei compiled mutt some time ago but the webinterface is good enough11:38
inteopenxchange has buildin pgp support11:38
inteim not getting that many emails i have to read on my phone instantly so its working11:39
inteand and i wouldnt have to store my secret gpg key on my phone11:39
intenow, with otg support, a yubikey would be worth considering11:39
inteif there wasnt the yubikey security breach ;)11:40
inteand from what i read elsewhere otg is not working for sfos yet anyways11:40
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intejope i use the buildin emailclient for SENDING (unencrypted/unsigned) emails or sending mails through my hamnet (through vpn) account though11:41
inteand hamnet is open for anyone anyways11:41
inteno passwords there11:41
r0kk3rzotg works11:42
intehu?11:42
intewasn there a thread on tjc claiming it wouldnt?11:42
r0kk3rzthats mostly a dalvik thing iirc11:42
nbghey, does jolla provide the possibility to export contacts, as vcf or so? TJC.com is down unfortunately, so I'm asking here.11:43
r0kk3rzwe've had working otg on sailfish for ages11:43
jonwilI dont know about yubikey specifically but isn't U2F an open standard meaning that any breaches in a specific U2F product can be fixed by replacing it with a non-busted one?11:43
inter0kk3rz: ?? on the tablet? AFAIK nor the Jolla neither the Jolla C support OTG hardwarewise11:43
intejonwil: there is a problem with the chips11:44
r0kk3rzwell if the hardware doesnt support it obviously the software doesnt matter so much11:44
abransoninte: jolla C doesn't have any hw otg, but other devices do11:44
intejonwil: https://www.yubico.com/2017/10/infineon-rsa-key-generation-issue/11:45
abransontablet does. there's no automount for usb storage that way, but the device gets picked up in dmesg just fine11:45
abransonyou just have to mount it yourself11:45
inteabranson: came across this https://together.jolla.com/question/170717/sailfish-x-does-it-support-usb-otg/11:47
intesome days ago.11:47
intenow its said its working. back then there was only one answer claiming it wasnt11:47
integood to know though11:47
r0kk3rztjc is often full of lies :)11:48
intehehe11:48
intestill looking forward to get wifi calling11:49
intethere is no indoor coverage apart from wifi at my place11:49
r0kk3rzyou can wifi call over whatsapp11:50
intehehe sure11:50
intebut thats not what i mean :)11:50
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intei dont know if wifi calling is (also) hardware related, but since the xperia support wificalling on android i have some hopes it will support it in sfos as well11:52
intesomewhen11:52
inteits needed for volte anyways, and volte is getting more important now when the networks are converting their gsm bts to lte11:53
inteso if volte is implemented, vowifi will hopefully also work11:53
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r0kk3rzmaybe if the chinese want it i guess11:54
intevolte is actually the reasons why most (all?) networks are supporting vowifi nowadays11:54
intevowifi aka UMA has been around for long but was barely implemented11:54
intenow, with volte, the voip-technology is already there and vowifi is just an included addon11:55
inteso every network has it now11:55
intei never had a phone supporting vowifi yet :(11:55
intei had, ages ago, an Ericsson TH688 DECT/GSM multimode handset which was the last phone which I could use at home :)11:56
intestill have it somewhere11:56
intemakes a good hammer if i cant find one :)11:57
* SQUelcher still uses a Ericsson R290 Globalstar/GSM Satellite Phone now and again.. ;)11:57
inteSQUelcher: I switched to Thuraya when the G* network broke down :)11:59
integot my ham license in between though11:59
inteSQUelcher: is GSM roaming still possible in G*? I heard they closed it down when Elsacom vanished?12:00
SQUelcherinte: Telekom.de and Vodafone.de are still roaming partners.. But they seemed to have stopped billing satellite calls some years ago O:)12:01
intehehe thats nice :)12:01
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SQUelcherinte: Newer Vodafone SIMs are not working anymore, as they dropped 5V support :/12:01
inteI dare this only works with stoneold contrats though12:01
SQUelcherinte: But the network is much more stable now.12:02
intedont they still supply 5v sims on request?12:02
inteI guess there was a never (telit sat600) handset which might support newer sims12:02
inteyeah, they got new satellites12:02
SQUelcherinte: Telekom SIMs are still working with 5V, also new contracts12:02
inteSQUelcher: cool good to know12:03
inteonce i switch to telekom i might consider getting a telit/ericsson handset12:03
intethe telit sat600 is hard to find nowadays, though12:04
intethey only sell cdma (coded) qualcomm handsets now12:04
intewhich are also stoneold already, compared to what thuraya or inmarsat offers12:04
SQUelcherAbout 10 years ago i paid about €5 a minute in Roaming with Globalstar, but since they switched from Elsacom to Globalstar Europe, they hadn't implemented billing (and price lists are nonexistent) :>12:04
intenice12:05
intebut take care you wont get a 1000€ bill one day :)12:05
intethuraya is much cheaper though. i guess around 1.50 per minute12:05
SQUelcherinte: I also got a Globalstar GSP-1700, rarely used (since they dropped all plans with no monthly charge)12:06
intei still have a gsp1600 somewhere with a portable carkit12:06
intei always planed to activate it for sailing but since there are no free plans anymore i never did12:06
inteyeah, same like you12:07
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intewow, still downloading this bloody image12:08
intehttps://www.outfittersatellite.com/gpdk1410-portable-car-kit-combo.html12:09
intestill quite cheap to get those12:09
SQUelcherinte: I used it mostly for incoming calls as they are using a standard french mobile prefix with no extra charges and incoming calls were free. :)12:11
inteyeah i know12:11
inteyou could also use the 008818 prefix but why?12:11
SQUelcherthey never assigned me a +8818 number12:12
intethey did12:12
inteits automatically12:13
intewait12:13
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inteSQUelcher: that was hard to find but i knew it was there :)12:21
intehttps://eu.globalstar.com/en/index.php?cid=555012:21
SQUelcherinte: Why on earth should anyone use this?12:23
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intethats what i thought ;)12:24
inte ‎<‎inte‎>‎ you could also use the 008818 prefix but why?12:24
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inteflashtool is asking me wether i want to add a script12:30
intei want, right?12:30
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SQUelcherinte: https://bildschirmtext.org/image/20171023_143259.jpg - looking good, it's still working :)12:36
ender|when was that battery last charged? :)12:37
SQUelcher5 minutes earlier, to last for 2 minutes ;)12:37
inteSQUelcher: cool full reception12:38
intebatteries for the r290 are easy to get on ebay12:39
* inte had a r350 which was also a nice phone (the "shark" phone)12:39
intei unfortunately lost it at a rock festival though12:39
SQUelcherinte: i've got three batteries, but the charger plug is a bit damaged and comes off quite easily12:41
inteah12:42
intedont know if there are external chargers available12:42
intebut its rocksolid and probably easy to solder12:42
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inteomh12:43
inte#reichsbürger on twitter12:44
inteomG12:44
intecrazy12:44
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* inte flashing...12:52
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inteshall i flash qnovo or exclude it?13:04
inteand what is "persist"?13:10
intedont want to accidentally wipe my drm keys13:10
inteill better exlude that for the beginning right?13:10
inteshoudl flashtool run in superuser moder?13:17
intemode13:17
RaYmAnIf you are talking about X, the DRM keys are wiped the second you unlock.13:19
inteim not unlocking yet13:19
intetrying to downgrade13:19
intein order to backup the DRM keys13:20
RaYmAnah, then just using defaults is fine13:20
RaYmAnthe DRM keys are stored in the TA partition13:20
intewhat is defaults?13:20
intefirst of all, im getting a rw error when running in user mode13:20
inteim tempted to run the flashtool in su though13:21
inteand then, im asked what to wipe13:21
RaYmAnflashtool needs either udev rules or root13:21
inteand im not sure13:21
RaYmAnit depends on how far you downgrade, I'd wipe data if you downgrade major version13:22
intewhat about DIAG, PERSIST, APPS_LOG13:22
inteqsth13:22
RaYmAndoesn't need to be wiped13:22
intethe readme sais it should: http://sailfishmods.de/2017/07/howto-sony-xperia-x-teil-1-cda-drm-keys-bootloader/13:23
inteits not referring to persist nor qmodo or what it was though13:23
inteis it bad to wipe it then?13:24
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inteRaYmAn: dont know if you understand german well enough, sorry13:25
RaYmAnif it says it's fine, I guess someone tried it.13:25
RaYmAnI'm horribly bad at german13:25
intehehe13:25
intedont worry13:25
RaYmAnbut I did write the DRM backup tool :P13:25
intei wouldnt mind an english readme for downgrading13:25
inteah cool so you might know if wiping one of thsose things would delete the drm keys13:26
RaYmAnthe keys are in TA partition13:26
RaYmAnand tbh, if you wipe that, you break the phone more or less13:26
intewhich means none of those should be wipede?13:26
RaYmAnit proabbly doesn't make any difference at all13:27
intewell the readme says that its possible to downgrade to extract the keys13:28
RaYmAnit is13:28
RaYmAnI'm just saying it makes no real difference whether you wipe the diag,persist, appslog - it's mostly debug info stored there afaik13:29
inteaah13:30
intecool13:30
intethanks13:30
intei feel much saver now :)13:30
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intemh13:39
interemote object '/data/local/tmp/TA_F5121_BH902F6Y56_20171023-1339.img' does not exist13:39
intewhat does that mean?13:39
RaYmAnthat it failed13:39
inteobviousky:)13:40
RaYmAnI beleive some 6.x versions were fixed, so maybe you have the wrong one13:41
inteso maybe the device was rooted before?13:41
RaYmAnno no13:41
RaYmAnit still "works" if it's unlocked13:41
intei thought the keys were wiped once rooted?13:41
RaYmAnthe backup just won't contain any DRM keys if so13:41
RaYmAnbut the process itself would still work fine13:42
inteyes and im currently trying13:42
inteah13:42
inteit is downloading sth from the device but failes later13:42
RaYmAnhowever, it's using the dirtyc0w exploit, which is notoriously unstable, so it might be worth trying it a few times, and if still nothing, rebooting and trying again13:42
intesais dirtycow failes after pushing13:43
inteand cannot pull13:43
inteso its not downloading anything13:43
RaYmAnthat can mean two things 1) Random failures 2) you flashed a patched 6.x13:43
intei flashed the one from xperifirm13:43
intejournalist or sth13:43
inte"commercial and journalists"13:44
RaYmAnthat's not really a version number ;)13:45
inteF5121_34.0.A.1.264_1301-2283_R2A.ftf13:45
intethat is the release im using13:47
inteand the one mentioned in the howto13:47
inteah wait13:47
inteon top of the script: backupTA.sh: 8: [: arm64-v8a: unexpected operator13:48
RaYmAnthis is in v2?13:48
inteyey13:48
inteworked sorry13:48
intei was to lazy to chmod and simply did a "sh backupTA.sh" :)13:48
intenow i have some keys i guess13:49
intecool13:49
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intethank you very much for yor efforts!!13:50
intejust one more thing: what am i supposed to backup now? the .img file?13:50
RaYmAnyes13:50
inteor shall i write down those adler32... keys?13:50
intei did it twice and diff doesnt recognice any difference so i guess im save here?13:53
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AmbossHi there, I am still having problems with my J1 btrfs.20:10
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AmbossFound out something new today: If I dd a repaired image I made from the btrfs restore and some external files, btrfs check is ok, before reboot, but afterwards it sais: restoring file system... failed, please seek service20:12
Ambossafter that if I "btrfs check" it's not ok anymore20:13
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Ambossanyone here who could help me?20:25
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inteout of curiosity: do these apps work on the jolla x/ad as well? https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/apk-sony-xperia-x-root-t339833820:31
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phlixinot sure why someone would might want to install contacts, clock or messaging etc. android apps, since there are nice built in apps for that21:12
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