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| maheart | The server is reporting a 503 for me. When I `curl -sv 'https://shop.jolla.com/' 2>&1 > /dev/null | grep -i '< HTTP/1'`, I get: "< HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable: Back-end server is at capacity" | 06:17 |
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| coderus | ddos :) | 06:18 |
| maheart | indeed :) | 06:18 |
| coderus | everyone wants sfosx now | 06:18 |
| mornfall | probably greatly helped by crummy backend code :p | 06:18 |
| maheart | I applied for a Jolla sysadmin job, I could have helped them with this :) | 06:18 |
| mornfall | if the same care was given to the backend as to writing the promo texts, i am quite surprised it works at all | 06:18 |
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| pketo | maheart: works here, but I'll investigate what might be the problem in your case | 06:30 |
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| pketo | maheart: where are you from? note that it is available only in European Union, Norway and Switzerland | 06:47 |
| Nicd- | works for me | 06:48 |
| Nicd- | (Finland) | 06:48 |
| maheart | I'm in Australia :) | 06:49 |
| pketo | though the rouuting was off, so it was givin 503 instead of "not available in your country", it should be fixed now | 06:49 |
| pketo | thank you for reporting this :) | 06:49 |
| maheart | works now! thanks | 06:49 |
| maheart | and by works, I mean it tells me it's not available in my country (expected) | 06:50 |
| Nicd- | aww | 06:53 |
| coderus | so, need proxy to buy sailfish x? nonsence :D | 06:53 |
| coderus | okay, france proxy works fine :) | 06:54 |
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| maheart | Thanks for the info coderus | 06:56 |
| coderus | maheart: do you have a jolla tablet vocher? | 06:56 |
| maheart | Yes | 06:57 |
| maheart | Or, rather. I paid for the Jolla Tablet. I don't know if I have a voucher yet | 06:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | poor auswegians, always getting the short end of the stick | 07:44 |
| r0kk3rz | Jaymzz: any word about offering sailfish x in further countries? i received a question about HK | 07:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | and tbh its Sony so it should really be available in .jp as well | 07:51 |
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| RaYmAn | r0kk3rz: it does require that the device is actually unlockable too though | 07:53 |
| RaYmAn | which e.g. simlocked devices tend not to be | 07:53 |
| r0kk3rz | is that still a common thing in .jp? | 07:54 |
| meklu | windows? ouch. | 07:54 |
| RaYmAn | I honestly don't know, but it might restrict some regions at least | 07:55 |
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| jakibaki | meklu: The unofficial flashtool works :) | 08:05 |
| meklu | good to know | 08:05 |
| r0kk3rz | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish_X_Build_and_Flash#The_Linux_Way | 08:06 |
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| jakibaki | r0kk3rz: It's probably better to just install the update via flashtool (which does exactly what emma does including unlocking the oem partition) instead of moving the blobs via recovery :) | 08:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | jakibaki: yeah its a bit of a nasty hack | 08:11 |
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| Jaymzz | r0kk3rz: not at the moment unfortunately. We of course would love to offer it to every country imaginable but there are potential issues that we would like to avoid, that's why we are sticking to EU, Norway and Switzerland for now. | 09:01 |
| r0kk3rz | Jaymzz: understood, a simple 'yes we are looking into it' would suffice, or 'its not a priority right now' | 09:02 |
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| Jaymzz | r0kk3rz: Of course. I would like to provide details though ;) | 09:05 |
| Jaymzz | I don't favor typical corpoate replies to be completely honest :P | 09:06 |
| r0kk3rz | i agree, but simple direct messaging can help at times | 09:06 |
| r0kk3rz | i mostly just want something to relay should people ask about in the community | 09:06 |
| Jaymzz | Got you r0kk3rz :) | 09:10 |
| mornfall | ooc, the purism phone people plan to use matrix.org for comms, and it seems that the sfos messaging chat app has deteriorated a lot... would it be feasible to move sfos over to matrix too? | 09:11 |
| mornfall | (i am not implying that matrix isn't looking shaky with a financing meltdown of their own, but it still seems there's more progress than with telepathy which seems to just remove networks over time) | 09:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | i should fix up matrix on sfos | 09:17 |
| r0kk3rz | it wouldnt even be that hard | 09:17 |
| r0kk3rz | but the purism phone is a disaster waiting to happen | 09:17 |
| mornfall | why would it? | 09:18 |
| jakibaki | 🍿 | 09:18 |
| abranson | there have been a few people asking for matrix support, but no-one's got as far as starting an app afaik | 09:18 |
| mornfall | there are some qt-based clients already, aren't there | 09:18 |
| abranson | if something gnu gets done for purism, then that might make a good starting point | 09:19 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah you need to wrap this https://github.com/QMatrixClient/libqmatrixclient | 09:19 |
| abranson | a nicely integrated matrix, with voip and conferencing would be lovely | 09:19 |
| mornfall | (but people were very skeptical of the purism laptop, and i saw virtually no complaints yet, unlike with jolla or fairphone :p) | 09:19 |
| jakibaki | mornfall didn't they take like forever to port coreboot to it? | 09:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | well the purism people seem to be thinking 'this is just like building a laptop, so lets do that' when it really isnt... | 09:21 |
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| mornfall | r0kk3rz: on the other hand, they are already sidestepping the issues that burned both jolla and fairphone ... so maybe they aren't completely stupid either | 09:22 |
| r0kk3rz | what issues? | 09:22 |
| mornfall | (picking a stable SoC like i.MX seems like a pretty smart move to me... compared to typical qualcomm junk) | 09:22 |
| mornfall | maybe they learned from the mistakes of others :-) | 09:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | i doubt that, they want free drivers | 09:23 |
| r0kk3rz | that limits their choices considerably | 09:24 |
| mornfall | drivers is what burned fairphone, you know | 09:24 |
| r0kk3rz | how so? | 09:24 |
| mornfall | they basically had to axe fp1 because they couldn't get supportable os on it | 09:24 |
| mornfall | they can't get new kernels because the soc vendor no longer supports their particular chip | 09:25 |
| mornfall | same thing as jp1 really | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats fairly normal these days | 09:25 |
| mornfall | but for fp1 it's even worse, because they are stuck with old android | 09:25 |
| mornfall | and people are *really* pissed that they bought an expensive phone that was supposed to last a long time | 09:26 |
| mornfall | and they can't even get security patches anymore | 09:26 |
| mornfall | so basically junk | 09:26 |
| jakibaki | mornfall: Yeah that was really stupid. I'm glad that they learned from this mistake with the Fairphone 2. | 09:27 |
| mornfall | but jp1 also suffers a lot due to the old kernel... all those btrfs bugs and ancient bluetooth stack are basically down to a poor choice of SoC :-) | 09:28 |
| mornfall | and we are never getting them fixed | 09:28 |
| mornfall | purism is a huge win on this front, at least in theory | 09:28 |
| mornfall | the matrix.org meltdown is really poorly timed tho | 09:30 |
| mornfall | so i am reluctant to invest | 09:30 |
| r0kk3rz | im not sure the jolla guys had a huge amount of choice | 09:34 |
| mornfall | choice about what? | 09:34 |
| r0kk3rz | soc | 09:34 |
| r0kk3rz | after ericsson pulled out the jp1 project was almost dead | 09:34 |
| mornfall | well, the phone is probably a template design | 09:34 |
| tbr | the ericsson soc wasn't exactly stellar to begin with | 09:35 |
| mornfall | and it was a small batch and so on | 09:35 |
| mornfall | anyway, purism looks like it might actually manage to break out of the android kernel trap | 09:36 |
| mornfall | libhybris was an interesting idea, but it doesn't seem to be working that well in practice (because of all the stuff already mentioned) | 09:37 |
| mornfall | (ironically, it would be probably possible to salvage jp1 using open drivers now, but of course jolla is so short on staff that it's completely unrealistic they'd try that) | 09:38 |
| r0kk3rz | theres practically zero point in them spending engineering effort on the jp1 | 09:38 |
| mornfall | sure, but it sucks to be a sfos user these days :p | 09:39 |
| r0kk3rz | these days? hasnt it always sucked :) | 09:39 |
| mornfall | we have a choice of a bunch of devices, all of them more or less orphaned | 09:39 |
| jakibaki | mornfall: How? My Xperia X is running marvelous. | 09:39 |
| mornfall | jakibaki: how's bluetooth? ;) | 09:40 |
| jakibaki | mornfall: fine actually | 09:40 |
| jakibaki | they already fixed that | 09:40 |
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| jakibaki | Only thing I somewhat miss now is the baromerter because I want to implement a fake-forcetouch patch for sailfish os :) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNXsJeN7ek) | 09:41 |
| r0kk3rz | i think mal was working on hooking that up | 09:42 |
| r0kk3rz | i started to take a look at NFC | 09:42 |
| mornfall | unfortunately, i can't really justify the expenditure (and out of the xperia lineup, the supported phone is the one i like the least) | 09:43 |
| mal | barometer is just waiting for one PR to be approved and merged and also after that the configuraiton of sensorfw needs to enable it | 09:44 |
| mal | and of course after those the needed packages have to updated in the image | 09:44 |
| jakibaki | mal: Do you happen to have a running rpm of that lying around? I couldn't get it to build without completely breaking sensorfw. | 09:45 |
| mornfall | XZ1 Compact, i could maybe make a case to buy that | 09:47 |
| mal | jakibaki: not sure where I have the rpms, I probably should build those on OBS, maybe I'll remember to do that tonight | 09:47 |
| jakibaki | mal: Thank you very much! :) | 09:48 |
| mornfall | (i think it does run lineage os, but even if that's an upgrade over android, it's still kinda icky) | 09:48 |
| mornfall | (yes, it's ridiculously overpowered) | 09:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | mornfall: you'd need a 7.1 hybris branch but you could build sfos for it | 09:57 |
| mornfall | yes, but sfos without alien is (very sadly) unusable | 09:58 |
| mornfall | gotta go, bbl | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | imo we're going to need to step up and shake that requirement very soon | 10:00 |
| mornfall | well, there's no way that native apps will suffice for that, so *some* compat layer is needed | 10:09 |
| r0kk3rz | getting anbox up to scratch is not an easy task | 10:09 |
| r0kk3rz | and alien-dalvik is becoming too old to be useful | 10:10 |
| r0kk3rz | so yeah, rock -> us <- hard place | 10:11 |
| RaYmAn | xz1 compact Comes with android Oreo, so presumably you would need an 8 branch hybris | 10:13 |
| RaYmAn | Since Google changed everything Hal in 8 | 10:14 |
| r0kk3rz | RaYmAn: theres a 7.1 AOSP build for it | 10:15 |
| RaYmAn | Hybris should be much nicer with 8 tbh | 10:15 |
| RaYmAn | Really? Funky | 10:15 |
| r0kk3rz | RaYmAn: 8 will probably require a complete rewrite oh hybris | 10:15 |
| RaYmAn | Sure | 10:15 |
| r0kk3rz | amongst other things | 10:15 |
| r0kk3rz | 7 should just be about porting the los-14 branch patches | 10:16 |
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| RaYmAn | But it will probably be a rewrite to a simpler way | 10:16 |
| r0kk3rz | mostly just different | 10:18 |
| r0kk3rz | with a bit less device specific hacks perhaps | 10:18 |
| r0kk3rz | but anyway, someone needs to do that work :P these things dont just magically appear out of nowhere | 10:19 |
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| mornfall | exactly, which is another of hybris flaws :p it sucks to play catch-up with google | 10:32 |
| mornfall | but so does writing drivers, so this is again the rock/hard place situtaion | 10:33 |
| mornfall | and the soc churn suits big players very well, because they can just out-resource competition on said churn | 10:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah well theres a reason why all major android phone manufacturers dont have phones as their primary business | 10:34 |
| r0kk3rz | nobody is making any profit out of these things | 10:35 |
| mornfall | oh, i think they are profitable on it, since they sell large volumes | 10:35 |
| r0kk3rz | nope | 10:35 |
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| maheart | Relevant: https://www.theverge.com/2016/7/29/12320782/sony-mobile-business-earnings-q1-2016 | 12:30 |
| maheart | Sony made a $4m *quarter profit* in its smart phone division. | 12:31 |
| maheart | And that's selling (according to the article) 3.1m devices | 12:31 |
| maheart | What a cut through industry. I wonder if Android would even exist without a company like Google developing it, and giving it away for free | 12:32 |
| maheart | s/through/throat/ | 12:32 |
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| phlixi_o | so they make 1$ per device | 12:58 |
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| sobukus | I got an emergency with my Jolla phone. I got a text message with a second factor. I accidentally triggered a reply action and now, when I tap onto this thread in the messages app, I only can compose this new message but do not see the initial second factor message anymore. | 14:31 |
| sobukus | How can I get rid of the new message dialogue? | 14:31 |
| sobukus | I cannot even _send_ a dummy message because the recipient is invalid. | 14:31 |
| sobukus | Where is the abort functionality for composing a new message?! | 14:32 |
| sobukus | And I pretty much need that content of the previous message I got in this thread. | 14:32 |
| sobukus | The UI offers no way to get at the previous messages, this is frightening. | 14:35 |
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| * sobukus looking at a hex dump of the message backup | 14:41 | |
| sobukus | Ah, seems like I can recover that token. | 14:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | sobukus: wtf you cant swipe back? | 14:46 |
| sobukus | No | 14:46 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: swipe from left brings the messages overview again | 14:47 |
| sobukus | tapping on the thread brings me back into the composing view | 14:47 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: on mine the 'new message' is seperate from the message thread | 14:48 |
| r0kk3rz | on the messages overview | 14:48 |
| sobukus | Nope. I see only one entry where whe thread should be, with a pencil on the left. | 14:49 |
| sobukus | I got my little security token now out of a hexdump of that backup thing. | 14:50 |
| sobukus | Frankly, this is perhaps the last straw … I was migrating to an old Android phone with LineageOS anyway, just did not manage to transfer contacts and login stuff yet. | 14:51 |
| sobukus | Sailfish has many nice thoughts, but it is too painful in daily use with the things that _nearly_ work. | 14:51 |
| sobukus | I live with enough software breakage on other fronts (I build my Laptop/Desktop Linux installs from source, dammit) … I need a phone that _works_:-/ | 14:52 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its a pita most of the time | 14:52 |
| sobukus | And also people start looking at me in strange ways for still having a Jolla1. | 14:52 |
| sobukus | I am switching to a Galaxy S4, which is about as old, just … much better … | 14:53 |
| sobukus | Just being able to end calls with the press of the power button again is a pleasure! | 14:53 |
| sobukus | Wasn't an option with SFOS for a strange reason. | 14:53 |
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| SQUelcher | I'm not sure which phone i want next... Maybe back to a flip-dumbphone :> | 15:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | nah smart phones are too useful | 15:13 |
| sobukus | SQUelcher: There are no good flipphones anymore … only these devices with huge buttons for the elderly. | 15:30 |
| sobukus | I actually got myself one, because I was once so frustrated about how doing phone calls sucks with a smart brick. | 15:30 |
| M4rtinK | T39 ? ;-) | 15:38 |
| M4rtinK | if only the ribbon connecting microphone in the flip was more robust... | 15:38 |
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