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| sobukus | So my Jolla 1 tells me there is an update. Downloads it. Then fails to apply and tells me to try again. And each time I try, it needs to re-download the stuff. And it fails. | 09:25 |
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| sobukus | Any hints? | 09:26 |
| sobukus | A reason for the failure to upgrade and why it possibly can work when trying again would be nice. | 09:26 |
| cb400f | I've had that happen, but it usually worked on the second try | 09:27 |
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| sobukus | I'm on the third or fourth now. It _looks_ a bit better … got about 5 mm of progress bar. | 09:29 |
| r0kk3rz | its a big update, are you on wifi? | 09:30 |
| sobukus | yes | 09:30 |
| sobukus | Upgrade process still there … so this time it at least takes longer. | 09:30 |
| sobukus | It's a bit frightening that the stagefright bug is fixed only now in the Android runtime … | 09:31 |
| rubdos | perhaps not enough free space? | 09:32 |
| sobukus | It would be nice if the error message would tell that. | 09:32 |
| sobukus | But it does look good now, although I did not free space (20-25 % or so) | 09:32 |
| sobukus | progress | 09:32 |
| cb400f | wonder if it might be the out of memory killer... maybe one should stop the android runtime and stuff before updating | 09:34 |
| sobukus | Last time I had no android app started … hm … does an Android messaging app get auto-started on a reboot? | 09:35 |
| sobukus | (background) | 09:35 |
| rubdos | it might if you tell it to | 09:35 |
| sobukus | Well, I had no visual indication … | 09:35 |
| cb400f | even if you don't have an app the runtime is probably still running and hogging memory | 09:35 |
| Renault | hum I'm sorry but I didn't find the diff between 2.1.1.23 and 2.1.1.24, what is the difference ? | 09:35 |
| cb400f | what happens with android app daemons and notifications is black magic to me... sometimes they're there, sometimes not | 09:36 |
| r0kk3rz | Renault: afaik it was an issue with the inoi r7 | 09:36 |
| Renault | ok | 09:36 |
| Renault | thank you | 09:36 |
| sobukus | about 60% now … I might be lucky | 09:38 |
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| sobukus | How long should I be looking at a black screen with white LED? | 09:46 |
| sobukus | Hm. Now black screen without an LED. | 09:49 |
| sobukus | Oh, it is there again! But … It did not ask for my lock code, neither for the SIM pin?! | 09:50 |
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| rubdos | thaaat doesn't sound very good | 09:54 |
| sobukus | and my WLAN settings are gone | 09:54 |
| sobukus | camera doesn't start | 09:54 |
| sobukus | network settings not available … please reboot … so I am rebooting | 09:55 |
| sobukus | looking at black screen with white LED | 09:56 |
| sobukus | Some information would ne nice. | 09:58 |
| sobukus | network services don't start. | 09:58 |
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| sobukus | ofono is running, without trying to access my SIM, but WLAN settings are not available | 10:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | sobukus: check journal for connman and bluetooth | 10:05 |
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| sobukus | r0kk3rz: connman service is disabled | 11:05 |
| sobukus | So the update was interrupted? | 11:05 |
| sobukus | trying to start it … hangs … | 11:05 |
| r0kk3rz | does sound rather broke | 11:06 |
| sobukus | frick | 11:09 |
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| sobukus | Does this mean I have to reflash an image and start again? | 11:09 |
| sobukus | OR … hm, rollback should be possible with btrfs, no? | 11:09 |
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| sobukus | But to debug this … is there an update log file someplace that I could secure before wiping? | 11:10 |
| r0kk3rz | 'rollback' to the long long ago | 11:10 |
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| sobukus | Isn't there a snapshot of the previous system still there? Does the update delete this when done? | 11:10 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure tbh, the space might not allow for that | 11:11 |
| sobukus | I had over 6G free before update. | 11:12 |
| r0kk3rz | thats not guaranteed though | 11:12 |
| sobukus | I know. The last time I had to reflash the phone was because the OS was bricked by filling up / with a video recording. | 11:13 |
| sobukus | I guess there still is no current image officially available to un-brick the phone … | 11:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | nope, and there wont ever be i dont think | 11:14 |
| r0kk3rz | you probably want to do something like this https://together.jolla.com/question/164379/how-can-i-force-a-new-download-of-a-system-update/?answer=164386#post-id-164386 | 11:15 |
| sobukus | Man, I just repaired my TOHKBD2 some days ago. | 11:15 |
| sobukus | Hm. That wifi is not working is kindof a showstopper, though. | 11:16 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm yeah good point | 11:18 |
| sobukus | I see a /var/log/systemupdate.log | 11:19 |
| sobukus | are occasional failures to connect to dbus normal in there? | 11:20 |
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| sobukus | I see Install progress update: 681 of 687 | 11:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | sobukus: it would be worth getting a copy of that and sending it to LarstiQ | 11:22 |
| sobukus | After that various errors about system services, but dunno if those are normal during update. | 11:22 |
| sobukus | LarstiQ: You have a mail address I could use to send? | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | theres the whole zendesk support ticket thing too i guess | 11:25 |
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| sobukus | Thinking … perhaps I can give the phone internet via USB? | 11:35 |
| sobukus | Does it work that way around outside the rescue environment, too? | 11:35 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah developer mode uses rndis | 11:36 |
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| pketo_ | sobukus: send the update log to me | 11:39 |
| pketo_ | my email adress in PM | 11:41 |
| sobukus | I hope I can fix things with the help of USB networking … perhaps just reinstallation/reconfiguration of packges? | 11:50 |
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| sobukus | OK, my Jolla 1 has NAT internet via my PC now … I wonder if I can repair the install now. | 12:25 |
| sobukus | Meh. The update dialog doesn't believe internet is available, as connman is not running. | 12:26 |
| sobukus | Well, it things I am on the most recent version anyway. | 12:26 |
| sobukus | browser works | 12:26 |
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| sobukus | pketo_: So, if you have any ideas, I have a root shell on the phone and it can pull stuff from the internet, just not via stuff that thinks this works only with a living connman. | 12:27 |
| pketo_ | sobukus: I did not find anything clearly wrong in the update log, except at it stops at 682 of 687, but says that the update succeeded | 12:33 |
| pketo_ | so you could try version --dup, to see if it did not update some packages for some reason | 12:34 |
| pketo_ | check 'ssu s' output first | 12:35 |
| pketo_ | and make sure it has the right release | 12:35 |
| pketo_ | I think version --dup should not check the connectivity from connman, but I'm not sure | 12:36 |
| sobukus | ssu says 2.1.1.24 | 12:37 |
| pketo_ | ok, that should be good then | 12:37 |
| sobukus | [W] unknown:0 - QDBusConnection: name 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.102' ← Is that normal? | 12:37 |
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| pketo_ | that is normal | 12:38 |
| sobukus | It downloaded/installed 4 packages … kimmoli's camera-settings-plugin, gawk, and two secondary aps | 12:39 |
| pketo_ | that probably was not the issue then | 12:40 |
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| sobukus | pketo_: OK, next idea? I rebooted and set up the routed internet again. | 12:44 |
| sobukus | Can I trigger a reinstall/reconffigure of all packages? | 12:45 |
| sobukus | Or shall we debug why connman hangs, perhaps? | 12:45 |
| sobukus | I enabled connman service … should it normally be disabled in systemd and only be started on request? | 12:46 |
| * sobukus stumbles upon --noplugin=wifi | 12:47 | |
| sobukus | Is wifi not handled by connman? | 12:47 |
| sobukus | /usr/sbin/connmand -n -W nl80211 --noplugin=wifi - that seems to successfully activate Wifi, but it has forgotten my eduroam account:-( | 12:48 |
| sobukus | This is manually starting the daemon, via systemctl, things just hang. | 12:49 |
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| pketo_ | sobukus: sorry, I don't know the details of connman | 12:58 |
| pketo_ | sobukus: but if you had earlier configured the eduroam manually, you might want to remove the config and setup again from UI, as that should work now | 12:59 |
| pketo_ | and it might be that the old config is causing the issues, not sure though | 12:59 |
| urs | That was definitely the issue for me. | 13:04 |
| urs | Also, Jämsänjoki has *much* slower handling of long lists of stored wifi networks. | 13:04 |
| sobukus | I removed the config, no change. | 13:04 |
| urs | The home screen took about 3 seconds to display for me, since apparently the wifi widget thing in the top bar was iterating through all the stored wifi networks. | 13:05 |
| urs | After I removed most of them, it is now fast again. | 13:05 |
| sobukus | Also I think it is rather strange that ofono is running, but I am not prompted for my SIM pin and naturally, there is no cellular network. | 13:05 |
| sobukus | Any chance I get that kickstarted somehow? | 13:05 |
| r0kk3rz | ofono only handles higher level, its ril which is the more important one | 13:07 |
| * sobukus notes that aliendalvik also doesn't run | 13:07 | |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: ril? I don't see a service of that name | 13:08 |
| r0kk3rz | you should have a rild, if not | 13:08 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah... | 13:08 |
| r0kk3rz | no modem for you! | 13:08 |
| sobukus | rild.service should exist? | 13:08 |
| r0kk3rz | probably not | 13:09 |
| sobukus | I also don't see a rild process. | 13:09 |
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| sobukus | pketo: Any idea on how to proceed? | 14:10 |
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| sobukus | Also … where does my Android app data end up? I don't see that in the backup. | 14:28 |
| sobukus | I installed signal and conversations … would like to keep my encryption settings, for example. | 14:28 |
| sobukus | (in case I reflash firmware) | 14:28 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: a rild should be running? | 14:32 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 14:32 |
| sobukus | Where/how is it started? Will just calling /system/bin/rild be enough or are special options needed? | 14:32 |
| r0kk3rz | in some init script in root | 14:33 |
| r0kk3rz | most likely | 14:33 |
| sobukus | Well, init script == systemd unit, I though … | 14:33 |
| r0kk3rz | not quite | 14:33 |
| r0kk3rz | i mean an actual init script | 14:34 |
| r0kk3rz | sysvinit stylez | 14:34 |
| sobukus | /lib/systemd/system/droid-rild.service | 14:34 |
| sobukus | # This waits rild socket | 14:34 |
| sobukus | # Purpose of this job is to hold ofono not starting before rild is ready | 14:34 |
| sobukus | Sailfish systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Wait rild to start. | 14:35 |
| sobukus | I wonder which dependecy? | 14:35 |
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| sobukus | Aha, that only waits for rild … but who does start it?! | 14:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | sobukus: i told you | 14:48 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: I looked for init scripts that start that daemon, found none. | 14:52 |
| sobukus | find /etc/init.d/ -type f | xargs grep rild | 14:52 |
| r0kk3rz | in root | 14:52 |
| sobukus | Oh, dear. | 14:52 |
| sobukus | These scripts use mystical 'start' and 'stop' commands. | 14:54 |
| r0kk3rz | yup | 14:54 |
| sobukus | So … do they log their failures someplace? | 14:55 |
| r0kk3rz | logcat | 14:55 |
| sobukus | Pardon me being dense. What is logcat? | 14:55 |
| r0kk3rz | a program that cat's the log | 14:55 |
| r0kk3rz | its an android thing | 14:56 |
| sobukus | If you want to confuse me, you are successful … is this android thing present on my Jolla? | 14:56 |
| sobukus | /system/bin/logcat | 14:57 |
| r0kk3rz | of course | 14:57 |
| sobukus | That gives only five lines. Four about battery_monitor and one like this: E/bsthal ( 594): couldn't find 'null' input device | 14:58 |
| r0kk3rz | you might want to do it quickly after a reboot | 14:58 |
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| sobukus | r0kk3rz: Nothing more after a reboot … if that doesn't keep a history, then the message is probably lost before I am able to access to the GUI to look at the log. | 15:11 |
| sobukus | Is there someone here with a Jolla 1 on the most recent firmwarE? | 15:11 |
| sobukus | Is it supposed to work at all? | 15:11 |
| r0kk3rz | try with a -b radio | 15:12 |
| r0kk3rz | it doesnt flush that quickly, but ive not had to do adaptation debug on a proper device | 15:12 |
| sobukus | nothing:-( | 15:13 |
| pketo | sobukus: sorry, I don't have other ideas what to try next... for the android apps and data, they should be under /home/.android and /home/nemo/android_storage | 15:13 |
| sobukus | pketo: There is no /home/.android (nor $HOME/.android)! | 15:14 |
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| sobukus | And under android_storage, there is nothing of interes. | 15:14 |
| pketo | thats weird | 15:16 |
| sobukus | /home/.android ← exactly like that? | 15:17 |
| pketo | yes | 15:17 |
| sobukus | I still see icons the the apps … But as they don't start anymore, I cannot tell if they are actually present. | 15:18 |
| sobukus | So the update wiped my android data? I had lots of offline maps … OK, those can be downloaded again. But my messaging data from Signal and Conversations is lost?! | 15:18 |
| * sobukus thanks signal people from killing of the native client again | 15:19 | |
| sobukus | for | 15:19 |
| sobukus | I made a backup as advised, and I still lost data:-/ | 15:19 |
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| pketo | ah, jolla 1, that might have different location for the android data | 15:22 |
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| sobukus | Where should I look? | 15:27 |
| pketo | I'll check that in a moment once I get aliendalvik installed on one of my J1 devices | 15:28 |
| sobukus | /data/media/Android/data/ | 15:28 |
| pketo | probably not that | 15:29 |
| sobukus | yeah, I see directories but not much usable data | 15:29 |
| pketo | you could look under /opt/alien | 15:30 |
| sobukus | I see nothing relating to my apps in there. Only the framework. | 15:32 |
| sobukus | I should have gigs of offline map data someplace | 15:33 |
| sobukus | That's what I use the internal memory for with mapfactor. | 15:33 |
| sobukus | /opt/alien is only 107M. | 15:33 |
| sobukus | The upgrade most likely wiped it. I am not amused. | 15:34 |
| sobukus | I wonder if I should stop toying around and get me a ‘normal’ smartphone. | 15:34 |
| pketo | in normal conditions it would not do that | 15:35 |
| sobukus | Hm, could there still be a btrfs snapshot available if the upgrade did not fully finish? | 15:35 |
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| pketo | I think it does not do snapshot before upgrade | 15:37 |
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| sobukus | That would be a waste … I mean, we are already deep into crazy land by using btrfs on a 16G internal storage. | 15:38 |
| cehteh | oh great .. now my phone is hosed | 15:38 |
| cehteh | no menu | 15:38 |
| cehteh | cant start any apps :D | 15:39 |
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| tadzik | gah, why is meerun broken after every update :( | 15:44 |
| cehteh | why is 'something' always be broken after every update? | 15:45 |
| r0kk3rz | because its fun | 15:46 |
| r0kk3rz | updates that work is boring | 15:46 |
| cehteh | after some years i really think my next phone will be some android, i like sailfish when it works, but often enough it doesnt and it lacks so much features | 15:46 |
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| cehteh | how can i unapply all patches from ssh? | 15:47 |
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| cehteh | gah -.. i think this time the phone is completely hosed | 15:48 |
| cehteh | cant start apps | 15:48 |
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| sobukus | cehteh: no apps at all? | 16:00 |
| cehteh | when i swipe the menu up, it is empty | 16:00 |
| sobukus | I can still start sailfish apps, but obviously not do much as there is no connectivity. | 16:00 |
| sobukus | cehteh: Jolla 1? | 16:01 |
| cehteh | yes | 16:01 |
| cehteh | i can access the camera from the new shortcut | 16:01 |
| cehteh | but i cant start other from event view (set alarms, start preferences, ...) | 16:01 |
| pketo | sobukus: android app data should be in /data/user/0/ | 16:01 |
| sobukus | OK, that makes two of us with a broken Jolla 1 after the latest upgrade. | 16:01 |
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| sobukus | pketo: Ah, thanks … seems like I might at least recover my Signal config. | 16:04 |
| sobukus | I don't know where the offline maps from mapfactor are, but they can be downloaded again. | 16:04 |
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| pketo | or /data/data, /data/user/0 is just a link to that | 16:07 |
| cehteh | ah patchmanager works from console --unapply-all :) | 16:09 |
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| cehteh | \o/ ... that worked | 16:11 |
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| sobukus | I secured the contents of /data/data now … furhter steps to be decieded, got to run now → afk | 16:12 |
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