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| gokart55 | for the time being, is aqua fish still a good buy? i'm worried about battery performance. Is there any hope in waiting for something new sporting sfos? | 03:20 |
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| gokart55 | i'm im India | 03:20 |
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| tiwake | gokart55: I bought one... it was pretty alright, but I kept it in my front pocket and the screen just kinda died | 04:18 |
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| gokart55 | any other recommendations? maybe a device with a community port for under 10000rs or 200$? hopefully something that is likely able to last three years? | 06:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | the aquafish is fine, battery seems ok to me but ymmv | 07:33 |
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| gokart55 | okay. thank you | 07:41 |
| gokart55 | maybe I was also thinking something like a xiaomi redmi device might be glod in terms of performance | 07:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | performance is a bit tricky, some first-party sailfish devices perform better in some areas than ports with higher specs | 07:47 |
| r0kk3rz | support is definitely better with first-party devices with updates and the like | 07:47 |
| gokart55 | okay. how is the aqua fish in terms of build quality? | 07:48 |
| r0kk3rz | not amazing, its a cheap device | 07:48 |
| gokart55 | hmm, i will have a look at xda-developers site to research a bit about custom sfos ports | 07:50 |
| r0kk3rz | gokart55: do you want android support? | 07:52 |
| gokart55 | it would be a welcome feature | 07:52 |
| r0kk3rz | then you need a first party device, or wait for the xperia x image release | 07:54 |
| gokart55 | ohh, ok. thanks a lot for telling me that or i might have overlooked it | 07:55 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, bought sailfish and ported sailfish arent quite equivalent | 07:57 |
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| gokart55 | r0kk3rz: can you give a little clarifcation, i've heard of software names like sfdroid and anbox which if i read correctly allow android app support on some devices. is that wrong? | 08:12 |
| guhl | gokart55, that is right in principle but at least sfdroid (that i tried to use for my motorola thea port) is very resource hungry (and not extremely stable) | 08:23 |
| gokart55 | okay i see | 08:24 |
| guhl | it is not comparable to the alien-dalvik that ships on jolla devices | 08:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah, they're experimental and in no way equivalent | 08:26 |
| guhl | did not try andbox, but i think the principle is the same, it runs a complete android in a container so i would assume that the memory hunger will be the same | 08:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | anbox has more people working on it, so it will hopefully improve quickly | 08:28 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than sfdroid which was a couple of guys hacking around | 08:28 |
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| sebsebseb | anyone aorund? | 10:27 |
| tbr | http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 10:35 |
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| sebsebseb | tbr: red or black hmm https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/youyota-sailfish-os-2-in-1-tablet#/ | 10:36 |
| tbr | pink with white polka dots, clearly | 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | tbr: no seriosuly I am debatiing between red and black and not so sure now | 10:42 |
| r0kk3rz | do you need the extra 32gb emmc? | 10:42 |
| r0kk3rz | are you willing to pay extra just because its red? | 10:43 |
| Lieke | there's also black with 64G | 10:43 |
| r0kk3rz | oh, so there is | 10:43 |
| PeperJohnny | Does anyone know or have a link on how to remove google play services from Jolla c? | 10:44 |
| r0kk3rz | then like, idk flip a coin | 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | yeah its harad to go by images | 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | looks like the intel and salifsih os logos look better on the red going by image | 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | than the black though | 10:44 |
| r0kk3rz | black is boring, so go red | 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | alsos black is boring exacgly | 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | nearly all tech is black | 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | that's what I am thinking | 10:44 |
| kimmoli | all tech is boring | 10:44 |
| PeperJohnny | and red's easier to spot if you let it lying around somewhere ;) | 10:44 |
| kimmoli | there should be orange, so one could do voting in kokkisota | 10:45 |
| sebsebseb | altough I am not so keen on red as a colour, but firefox os phone is in orange/red the back of my remix os ultra tablet is in red as well | 10:45 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: literally nobody can answer this for you, its your personal preference | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | buy both, sell one | 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: I know | 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | I don't have enough money to buy both | 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | or right now | 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | I can do one just about in 4 days | 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: I know its perosnal choice, but seriously what one would you go for and why ? | 10:46 |
| PeperJohnny | Chen said that you will be able to order via indiegogo indemand later on | 10:47 |
| r0kk3rz | red, because it would match my red and black laptop | 10:47 |
| r0kk3rz | also black is boring, but you can jazz it up with stickers i guess | 10:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | otoh, if you buy the case it matters not | 10:48 |
| sebsebseb | PeperJohnny: yes, but may as well fund now when I can and it's done | 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | PeperJohnny: I didn't get the GPD pocket yet since.... | 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | I can comment on indieogo once I funded too | 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | I can't now | 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | I just saw | 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: yes I would get the case and what not as well | 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | I think red one, matches the blue case/sleeve | 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | black is boring | 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | but | 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | but can look more pro etc | 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | I guess fund , don't worry too much about colour, if wanting a colour change, tell him later, like some have done already in comments :d | 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: you have a red and black lap top ? | 10:51 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | pics ? | 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | and why red ? | 10:51 |
| r0kk3rz | because that was the colour it came in | 10:52 |
| r0kk3rz | https://tesco.scene7.com/is/image/tesco/596-2390_PI_1000560MN | 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: yes and the tablet in red will probably look like that | 10:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | im not likely to have both on me at once though, so matching doesnt really matter | 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: no problem with red, and as a guy ? | 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | did you specifally pick red ? | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | no, that was just the colour they had at the shop | 11:04 |
| r0kk3rz | i like it though | 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | since diffenet colour ? | 11:06 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: red is maybe more girly, but really that's pink and purple I guess | 11:07 |
| r0kk3rz | i just do, i dont really feel the need to justify what is otherwise a completely arbitrary subjective choice | 11:07 |
| sebsebseb | also you gave me a tesco link, so your in the UK like me ? England ? | 11:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | its just what came up on google | 11:08 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 11:08 |
| sebsebseb | yes red would be change :) | 11:09 |
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| sebsebseb | China like red apparnatly or can do | 11:09 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah china seem to like red | 11:09 |
| sebsebseb | for tech | 11:09 |
| r0kk3rz | but sure, if you're uncomfortable with waving around a red tablet because its 'girly' then idk dont get that one | 11:09 |
| sebsebseb | people i would possibly be showing it too, woudn't really care as such about colour i expect | 11:10 |
| sebsebseb | and as i put above that's really pink and purple | 11:10 |
| sebsebseb | I wanted something better hardwarewise to run salifsh os on | 11:10 |
| sebsebseb | than the old jolla phone | 11:10 |
| sebsebseb | and wasn't one of the backers to get the actsaul jolla tablet got a partial refund instead so far. missed the annoucement of the jolla c, was in ubuntu touch land then. and the intex aquafish could import from india, but change that uk customs might get silly over it, since from india and without a CE mark as well | 11:11 |
| LarstiQ | sebsebseb: colour perception is really cultural, pink is a men's color in certain places/times | 11:11 |
| sebsebseb | people in belgium and germany had issues trying too import that one. oh and the Sony Xperia X with SalifshOS, uhmm welll that's a bit rubbish in a way really, since its just a paid rom it seems. buy expensive phone with android first | 11:12 |
| sebsebseb | LarstiQ: yep some guys wear pink now as well here not so much now though, was a thing for a while though | 11:12 |
| r0kk3rz | meh, do what you want and who cares about cultural norms | 11:12 |
| LarstiQ | indeed | 11:12 |
| r0kk3rz | if you want a pink tablet with my little pony stickers, then do so! | 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | indeed well black is boring and the logos will probably look better on that tablet as mentioned earlier | 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | going by images | 11:13 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: just trying to underline how arbitrary it is | 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | I would have had a like pinkey goldy meizu mx 4 phone actsaully, but they sent me the silver one anyway | 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | not the one I had ordered | 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | PeperJohnny: r0kk3rz apparantly the red was going to be the premium actually with 128gb but then coudnt' do that one so | 11:24 |
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| pawky | The downside with buying the Xperia X (F5121) before getting any Sailfish image is... you kinf of get to like how well Android works on it once you have rooted it and installed the right apps... :-/ | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like an upside to me | 11:29 |
| pawky | you kind of get to like you suddenly can copy and paste stuff from wherever to wherever | 11:29 |
| pawky | well.. if the Alien Dalvik will have more or less the same limited compatibility as the Jolla, then it will take quite some effort to leave Android to go to Sailfish... | 11:30 |
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| sebsebseb | pawky: true may start likeing android on it enough if got that phone, then not want to put salifsh os on later or as much or as such | 11:35 |
| pawky | sebsebseb: android 7 seems decent. You can limit a lot more what permissions the apps are to have on your phone | 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | yeah apparantly | 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | they started doing permissions better with 6.0 | 11:37 |
| pawky | thus a rooted Xperia X, with AFwall+ and Xprivacy and Termux (ssh) would be a quite competitive alternative | 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | android is boring as an os though really, Ubuntu Touch and SalifishOS more fun | 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | even Firefox OS really, but yeah that's had it really so | 11:37 |
| pawky | but of course, maybe a Pre beata release Image might make me reconsider ;-) | 11:38 |
| pawky | hasnt Ubuntu given up on phones etc? | 11:38 |
| pawky | I would of course prefer to have sailfish, with perl and what have you. But for daily use, android kind of works.. | 11:39 |
| sebsebseb | pawky: yes but the community hasn't. http://ubports.com | 11:40 |
| phlixi_o | sure, you are able to limit a lot of stuff on android 7, except google, its talking to google all the time... all the limitations you can do (as a "noirmal user") always are only relevant to apps you install... of course google play services etc, is just there, already having all permissions... | 11:40 |
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| pawky | phlixi_o: thats where the firewall and Xprivacy comes into play :-) | 11:41 |
| pawky | and of course rooting the phone :-) | 11:41 |
| pawky | what really works is interweaving stuff in Android, take a contact, send through mms, copy link from browser, send as mail etc. | 11:43 |
| pawky | This has been quite limited when it comes to Sailfish. I always end up in a corner where suddenly some data from one source cannot be used in another app, or service. | 11:43 |
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| phlixi_o | and once you did that, half of the stuff no longer works | 11:44 |
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| pawky | so.. bring on the pre Beta :-) | 11:46 |
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| GreatEmerald | Hm, recently there was a weird incident with my Jolla phone: the mobile provider said that 4G roaming internet was being used, even though I have both off | 20:36 |
| GreatEmerald | Set to 2G only and roaming disabled | 20:36 |
| GreatEmerald | I wonder what could have caused that, since it resulted in a silent siphoning of all the credit in the account due to that... | 20:37 |
| GreatEmerald | Ideally I'd just disable mobile data altogether since I don't use it, but there's no such option | 20:38 |
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| mal | GreatEmerald: what do you mean there is no option to disable mobile data, if course there is that option | 20:39 |
| mal | I have always mobile data disabled when I don't need it | 20:40 |
| GreatEmerald | I mean erasing settings | 20:42 |
| GreatEmerald | Because yes, obviously I also have the "Internet" option disabled | 20:43 |
| GreatEmerald | There is the "Reset to default" option in "Data access point", but it doesn't seem to do anything | 20:44 |
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| GreatEmerald | I think around the time of the incident was when I updated the SailfishOS version, I wonder if there may have been a glitch with that | 21:00 |
| mal | I don't quite understand the issue | 21:01 |
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| GreatEmerald | Well, if the mobile provider sayst hat 4G was active, chances are 4G was active | 21:07 |
| GreatEmerald | says that* | 21:07 |
| GreatEmerald | Yet I have mobile data disabled, roaming disabled and settings set to 2G only | 21:07 |
| GreatEmerald | So there must have been some weird glitch | 21:08 |
| mal | sounds like it, if you have mobile data disabled it should not transfer anything | 21:09 |
| GreatEmerald | Indeed | 21:11 |
| GreatEmerald | It didn't transfer much, not even adding up to 1 MiB, but the mobile provider of course levied exorbitant fees just for time spent connected | 21:12 |
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| mal | which version was that? the latest? | 21:14 |
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| GreatEmerald | 2.0.5.6 | 21:16 |
| GreatEmerald | That's the version I use now and I haven't updated since the incident, I know that for sure | 21:17 |
| GreatEmerald | It may or may not be the latest, I don't follow the versions that closely | 21:18 |
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| mal | GreatEmerald: 2.1.0.11 is the latest version | 21:29 |
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| GreatEmerald | Hm, OK, good to know. I usually don't update unless it has something I'd like to have | 22:04 |
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