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| useretail | hi, can anyone tell what models of xperia x will be supported? i mean will it be only xperia x or performance/compact models also ...? | 12:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | useretail: for now only xperia x single sim model | 12:23 |
| phlixi_ | f5121 | 12:23 |
| sakustar | if compact would get support though o,o | 12:24 |
| phlixi_ | like that one http://www.ebay.de/itm/182594644626 | 12:24 |
| phlixi_ | an dno, i am not seling it :D | 12:25 |
| phlixi_ | they said maybe eventually all xperia x | 12:25 |
| sakustar | didnt they announce xperia x will be discontinued | 12:25 |
| phlixi_ | but, its jolla... if they already say maybe in the announcement.. you better not wait for it | 12:25 |
| phlixi_ | i dont get why there is so much fuzz about the discontinuation | 12:26 |
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| phlixi_ | of course they will not sell that 2016 model for all times... | 12:26 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure they have plenty in stock | 12:27 |
| sakustar | there was the question if it will ship with sfos or not behind the fuzz i think | 12:27 |
| phlixi_ | no | 12:28 |
| phlixi_ | that announcement has certainly nothing todo with sfos | 12:28 |
| r0kk3rz | anyway, there should be an annoucement in the coming weeks as to how its all going to work | 12:29 |
| r0kk3rz | so wait, be patient | 12:29 |
| phlixi_ | the announcement was for business of sony, thats a totaly different scale of sfos | 12:29 |
| phlixi_ | every electronmic supermarket sells more devices a month than jolla in a year.. you bet there is nothing to hear in sonys boardmeetings about sfos | 12:30 |
| useretail | have you seen a jolla in a store? i guess the answer will be no. well maybe except finland | 12:32 |
| r0kk3rz | i saw my first jolla in a store in helsinki | 12:32 |
| phlixi_ | in online stores, ofc :D | 12:32 |
| r0kk3rz | but jolla doesnt make devices anymore, so yeah | 12:33 |
| useretail | yep, so they have to have at least one working device with recent hardware | 12:34 |
| r0kk3rz | not really, they have a nice niche as a secure govt os for china / russia | 12:35 |
| useretail | yes, but that has nothing to do with us - users :D | 12:36 |
| useretail | because actually after those contracts/deals nothing changed for us | 12:37 |
| r0kk3rz | and? | 12:38 |
| useretail | and i think it's great that jolla decided to port sfos to "recent" hw | 12:39 |
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| useretail | ^xperia x | 12:39 |
| useretail | i guess we just have to wait for official announcement | 12:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | it is nice of them, but im not entirely convinced that its good news | 12:58 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: in what sense? | 13:03 |
| r0kk3rz | opportunity cost mostly, if you guys are working on this then you arent working on something else | 13:05 |
| phlixi_ | well, but they need some device to run the software | 13:05 |
| phlixi_ | masterbranch or whateever you want to call it | 13:06 |
| phlixi_ | with this approach there is an easy way for fans like you and me to get such a device as well, just as with the jola c, just make bit bigger bunch then just for jolla exclusive | 13:07 |
| phlixi_ | and the business is to sell special appliance to russion post | 13:07 |
| phlixi_ | i think its good news that they can use mature hardware like the x, i assume its cheaper than something like the jolla c (for jolla, where the single device cost is probably not a foctor from this view) | 13:08 |
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| phlixi_ | how is this more costly in any way than what? r0kk3rz | 13:10 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi_: well. It depends on the level of buy-in from Sony | 13:11 |
| phlixi_ | i am confident they a re little involved | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | if this is going to make zero dollars, then that means they arent working on something that will give them positive dollars | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | if sony has zero buy-in, then they arent working with an OEM that does | 13:12 |
| phlixi_ | they work on deals like russian post | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, theres some things happening | 13:13 |
| phlixi_ | seems pretty obviuos to me, but jolla needs some current reference device "at home" | 13:14 |
| r0kk3rz | but not enough to consume all the resources of what is still a smallish company | 13:14 |
| phlixi_ | and seems much cheaper to take the x, than the c | 13:14 |
| phlixi_ | ...let alone the jp1301 | 13:14 |
| r0kk3rz | not saying the xperia x is of zero benefit, its just a question of resourcing | 13:15 |
| phlixi_ | i asume its the least resources that way, alternative is to develope something exclusiv, like c or jp13. the x is already done | 13:15 |
| phlixi_ | what way do you think takes less resources to create recent device as new refernece device? | 13:17 |
| phlixi_ | jolla needs one for them self to develop deals like rp | 13:17 |
| phlixi_ | by not selling it b2c they save tons of money | 13:17 |
| phlixi_ | b2b is so much easier | 13:18 |
| r0kk3rz | sure | 13:18 |
| r0kk3rz | but is enough OEMs were paying jolla to develop for them, things like the sony wouldnt happen | 13:18 |
| phlixi_ | jp1301 and tablet horibly failed, you need orders of magnitude more c | 13:19 |
| r0kk3rz | ergo. jolla has spare time on their hands | 13:19 |
| phlixi_ | but we are not in a world like that^^ | 13:19 |
| phlixi_ | no one has interest in selling sfos to customers | 13:19 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 13:19 |
| r0kk3rz | and is that a 'good thing' tm? | 13:20 |
| phlixi_ | no | 13:20 |
| r0kk3rz | exactly | 13:20 |
| r0kk3rz | this is my point | 13:20 |
| phlixi_ | but thats unrealistic | 13:21 |
| phlixi_ | i think its good news that jolla seems or tries to survive in b2b and manages to make us able to get some of the nice sfos | 13:21 |
| phlixi_ | could have been killed right after the jp1301 or the tablet... both b2c projects just failed | 13:22 |
| phlixi_ | now i have hope that this might be a way which may work in the long run | 13:23 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, it depends on what your measure of success is | 13:23 |
| phlixi_ | for now, survive :) | 13:23 |
| phlixi_ | actually, i consider it success to survive long term | 13:23 |
| r0kk3rz | so to me at least, the fact that they're still in survival mode, isnt really good news | 13:24 |
| r0kk3rz | its not terrible news either, but yeah | 13:24 |
| phlixi_ | and seems perfectly right decision to use the least resources possible for the reference device | 13:24 |
| phlixi_ | the news about deals like russian post make me hope jolla just got a little step away from dieing, thus a littlebit less survival mode, a little bit less struggling | 13:26 |
| phlixi_ | dont trample on that small plant :D | 13:26 |
| phlixi_ | or make apple sell me my private on premis icloud, to enable actual privacy^^ | 13:27 |
| phlixi_ | i think after the fails of the tablet and the jp1301 you can not expect another try to b2c | 13:28 |
| phlixi_ | thus i stand with my "its good news" | 13:28 |
| phlixi_ | i am out for breakfast now.. cu^^ | 13:30 |
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