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| chriadam | PSA: if anyone is able to help with testing a couple of fixes to caldav/carddav sync: https://together.jolla.com/question/158893/caldavcarddav-testing-volunteers-requested/ | 07:25 |
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| louisdk | Anyone in here with Turing Phone experience? | 10:39 |
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| abranson | louisdk: I may have had a go of one in the past. Lovely screen on them. | 11:39 |
| louisdk | abranson: but not supporting newest sailfishos release? | 11:41 |
| abranson | louisdk: no idea sorry | 11:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | turing dropped the product didnt they? | 11:56 |
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| Nicd- | dropped, like released or cancelled? | 12:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | cancelled i think | 12:27 |
| r0kk3rz | the shipped devices were supposed to be 'pre-production' | 12:28 |
| Nicd- | they cancelled the whole thing? :D | 12:30 |
| Nicd- | haha | 12:30 |
| Nicd- | link? | 12:32 |
| hagiz | Does anyone know if there will be paid apps in the harbour store, like ever? | 12:32 |
| Nicd- | hagiz: I wouldn't hold my breath | 12:32 |
| LarstiQ | j/win 52 | 12:34 |
| hagiz | too bad. I like the OS, and with the sony thing there might actually be decent hardware somewhere down the line | 12:34 |
| hagiz | but doesn't look like they want app development on the platform | 12:34 |
| LarstiQ | hagiz: no, we would like that | 12:35 |
| LarstiQ | it's just that we don't have resources to spare right now to make that possible | 12:36 |
| hagiz | fingers crossed for future developments then | 12:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | hagiz: i highly doubt paid apps would change anything | 12:37 |
| r0kk3rz | it didnt work for BB, or MS, why would it suddenly work here? | 12:37 |
| hagiz | r0kk3rz: would probably attract a few more developers and get a few quality paid apps is my thinking | 12:38 |
| r0kk3rz | BB even paid developers to port their apps to BBOS10 | 12:40 |
| r0kk3rz | but, still they relied upon android compatibility | 12:40 |
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| hagiz | For normal users android compatibility will probably always be a must, true, but doesn't mean there shouldn't be a way for people to make a little money on quality apps for SFOS | 12:44 |
| r0kk3rz | there are ways, but currently theres no users to sell to | 12:44 |
| hagiz | Yea, I guess most Jolla 1 phones bought by others than enthusiasts are in drawers somewhere by now | 12:45 |
| Nicd- | 3674 active installs on my apps | 12:46 |
| Nicd- | seems to have stagnated | 12:46 |
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| hagiz | Didn't realize numbers were that low :-( | 12:51 |
| Nicd- | well my apps aren't the most popular | 12:52 |
| Nicd- | the dude who made the file manager could probably get the best numbers | 12:52 |
| abranson | would people buy a filemanager? | 12:53 |
| r0kk3rz | the built in one is pretty good | 12:53 |
| Nicd- | I wouldn't. but I bought a music player and music syncer for Android. and I paid for Mitäkuuluu back in the day to support it | 12:54 |
| abranson | i'm not sure what people would buy on sailfish tbh. all the most desired apps on other platforms are free | 12:54 |
| r0kk3rz | one person threw me €5 for my music player | 12:54 |
| r0kk3rz | that was nice of them | 12:54 |
| abranson | the lack of apps is because of the small pool of users, not because people can't charge for them | 12:54 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed the apps people will miss the most are service based, like whatsapp, facebook, snapchat .etc | 12:55 |
| Nicd- | well I remember artemma stopping way back when because there was no commercial aspect | 12:55 |
| abranson | also, i'd really rather not have drm all over sailfish, if that would be needed to 'protect' paid apps | 12:55 |
| hagiz | Yea, reading comments on https://together.jolla.com/question/6522/harbourstore-support-for-paid-applications/ it seems this was something that could have had a small impact way back in the beginning | 12:56 |
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| phlixi_o | and there is a huuuge flame-thread about payed apps on tjc... i think most of those "I need that blablablal" miss the point, that if it really that easy as they claim, and needed so importantly, then just implement you own payment in your app... | 13:26 |
| phlixi_o | for the record: i clearly do not say implementing payment is an easy task, its just a claim from that thread ath it would be an easy thing | 13:27 |
| phlixi_o | actually i think this is hell :D | 13:27 |
| phlixi_o | with all the taxes and international stuff and payment providers and different countires and liabilities and obligations and and and.. you need staff for checking returns and what not | 13:28 |
| phlixi_o | just from the top of my head :D | 13:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | sell it in bitcoin, job done | 13:40 |
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| pketo | phlixi_o: indeed, implementing a button to take money from people is probably not the hardest part :) | 15:41 |
| phlixi_o | except if you are in lets say germany and your customer is in france, or vice versa, or whatever eu country, and you have to apply the right taxes etc etc | 15:42 |
| phlixi_o | there is a lot of annoying stuff if you want to have end customers pay you money | 15:43 |
| phlixi_o | i love all the apple bashing and such, but there is a reason which is not 100% greed why apple takes 30% :-) | 15:43 |
| Nicd- | I just wish even putting a donation button was legal here :P | 15:55 |
| tbr | payments/billing is a *massive* can of worms and I wholeheartedly understand why Jolla never got into that | 15:58 |
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| tbr | I don't understand why they never made a clear stance | 15:59 |
| tbr | something like "We won't offer payment options in the store, but everyone is free to implement it through third party options" | 15:59 |
| tbr | if you can't have the cake and can't eat it, don't lie about it | 16:00 |
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