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| * sobukus reads release notes for new Sailfish | 11:32 | |
| sobukus | While my choppy video recording bug report seems to be addressed (need to check), I now read that also the infinite focus setting has been removed. | 11:35 |
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| sobukus | I am not sure if that is a smart move with the perhaps-now-possible option of putting the phone on a tripod and letting it record video for lengths of time. | 11:36 |
| sobukus | Maybe, if the spot focus setting persists. It would be nasty if the camera tried to refocus every time somebody walks through the picture. | 11:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | sobukus: looks like it refocusses a bit, not hugely noticable though | 11:56 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: So it does refocus:-/ I have yet to see an implementation where this is not noticeable. | 11:56 |
| sobukus | Btw. the changelog starts in a funny manner “major architectural changes … text selection in browser” | 11:58 |
| sobukus | That sounds like the iphone finally adding support for cut'n'paste. | 11:58 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: if you want a quality recording device, probably better to get some kind of dedicated camera anyway | 11:58 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: I know, I know, we (this channel) had that discussion when I first started complaining. | 11:59 |
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| sobukus | But as I said then, It got a proper camera that can do fine video, but it's artifically restricted to < 30 minutes recording time. | 11:59 |
| sobukus | The proper replacement probably is a set of raspis with the not-too-bad camera module. | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | well one day we might get a device which has a good camera on it, so its worth testing out | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | before it was almost useless, now it works about on par with what i would expect | 12:00 |
| sobukus | It is reassuring to know that I can use the phone as a camera should no other dedicated device be on hand. | 12:00 |
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| kimmoli | sobukus: have you tried my camera-settings-plugin? to control video resolution more freely, and bitrate | 12:04 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: I did already when reporting the stuttering issue. | 12:05 |
| kimmoli | ah ok, i thought so. just checking | 12:05 |
| kimmoli | remembered someone tried | 12:05 |
| sobukus | I used it to ensure a high bitrate for later video editing. | 12:05 |
| sobukus | I am wondering if it's worth it trying to record in 1080p even if I later scale to 720p … if the quality from the phone camera will be any better at 1080p … or lack of binning for low-light is even a disadvantage | 12:06 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: Could one get the option of truly fixed focus via your plugin? | 12:07 |
| sobukus | autofocus of any kind is nasty for filming something from a fixed position. | 12:08 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: I have read more closely now … “tapping the screen forces the Spot mode from which it returns after 10 seconds” | 12:09 |
| sobukus | So they fixed choppy video recording by broke the whole idea again by enforcing autofocus:-( | 12:09 |
| sobukus | s:by:but: | 12:09 |
| kimmoli | dunno can i force it, as there is no selection for focus in camera | 12:14 |
| kimmoli | there is just one mode | 12:14 |
| sobukus | So one needs a replacement for the Camera app … | 12:16 |
| sobukus | Or at least a patched versions … | 12:16 |
| kimmoli | and it works just like that. after tap, it keeps focusing on selected spot for 10 sec, then it goes to general AF | 12:16 |
| sobukus | Yes, and that sucks., | 12:16 |
| sobukus | Of one could tweak (also turn off) that 10 s timeout, that would be nice. | 12:17 |
| sobukus | I could live with choosing a poin to focus on before starting a video recording. | 12:17 |
| kimmoli | it kept focusing on that spot | 12:17 |
| kimmoli | if i placed hand on view it didnt focus, but if moved it on the spot, it refocused | 12:18 |
| sobukus | So it remembers the spot, but recomputes the object distance? | 12:19 |
| kimmoli | it is spot-AF for 10 secs | 12:19 |
| kimmoli | at least thats how it behaves on onyx | 12:19 |
| sobukus | 10 s spot AF, with focus only reacting to changes on the spot, then general autofocus | 12:20 |
| kimmoli | yes | 12:20 |
| sobukus | So an infinite timeout wouldn't really help me. | 12:20 |
| sobukus | My setting is a stage, camera behind the musicians. The musicians move around during the performance. Camera could be very busy refocussing all the time. | 12:21 |
| sobukus | It's driving me nuts how one can remove thae choice of fixed (infinite) focus just for the sake if “simplicity”. Things should be as simple as possible and sensible, but not simpler! | 12:22 |
| sobukus | There are enough things that _don't_ work on my Jolla, and people even spend their time on breaking things that did! | 12:22 |
| sobukus | I am rather bothered by the phone occasionally loosing cell connection for good. Hard/impossible to debug. | 12:23 |
| sobukus | So it might end up as a hackable camera and GPS device, me switching to a device that works reliably as a phone:-/ | 12:24 |
| M-schmittlauch | sobukus: +1 | 12:34 |
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| sobukus | Well, the video seems to be rather smooth now. I'm grateful that it might be usable now. | 12:56 |
| sobukus | I would like an option to fix focus and lighting. But well, I know, I know, you get a proper camera for that. | 12:57 |
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| * sobukus still mutters to himself something about this being frikkin' software choices and the phone being expensive enough | 12:58 | |
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| sobukus | Anyone got luck accessing the Jolla with mtpfs? | 13:15 |
| sobukus | I get Software caused connection abort when accessing the mountpoint. | 13:16 |
| sobukus | #1 0x00002afb0617648a in abort () from /lib/libc.so.6 | 13:17 |
| sobukus | #2 0x00002afb05612d4c in g_mutex_unlock_slowpath () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 | 13:17 |
| sobukus | #3 0x0000000000403861 in mtpfs_getattr () | 13:17 |
| sobukus | mtpfs fails to talk to the device, as it seems:-/ | 13:18 |
| sobukus | Maybe I have to resort to ssh with developer mode. | 13:18 |
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| sobukus | I see mtpfs calling abort() in g_mutex_unlock_slowpath … | 13:33 |
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| sobukus | mtp-folders and mtp-files work, so I guess some unfortunate error in mtpfs itself. | 13:35 |
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| kid | mtp is a bit flaky, I tend to use sshfs and rsync o/ssh | 14:20 |
| kid | with the occational scp :) | 14:21 |
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| sobukus | kid: Yeah. Perhaps I'll just end up doing rsync from the phone to a backup server and then get my data from that one at will. | 14:40 |
| kimmoli | i do backups to a usb drive (well, requires working otg) | 14:45 |
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| sobukus | kimmoli: Also interesting. But it looks like I'd have to do the same dance like with the N800 to make that work. | 15:06 |
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