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| AL13N_work | if i wanted a new sailfishos phone, what should i look for? oneplus X ? oneplus one? is such a phone still sold? | 10:37 |
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| Helle | AL13N_work: Fairphone 2 possibly | 10:42 |
| AL13N_work | something cheapish that i can still buy new | 10:43 |
| AL13N_work | fairphone2 is quite expensive iirc | 10:43 |
| Helle | AL13N_work: 650 euro or so | 10:43 |
| Helle | Apple prices | 10:43 |
| Nicd- | really expensive for what it is | 10:43 |
| AL13N_work | i was looking at https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 10:44 |
| Helle | Nicd-: true, but check the office space they are renting off of it | 10:44 |
| AL13N_work | i want a cheap phone with sailfishos | 10:44 |
| AL13N_work | for work | 10:44 |
| Nicd- | Helle: what? | 10:44 |
| AL13N_work | boss will need to ok it, so must be cheap, it can be older, i don't mind | 10:44 |
| Helle | Nicd-: They are in one of the most expensive parts of Amsterdam to rent office space | 10:44 |
| Helle | no wonder their phone is expensive :P | 10:44 |
| AL13N_work | but, i fear most of these phones, i will not be able to buy somewhere | 10:44 |
| AL13N_work | in that table, is the bottom one the most recently ported? | 10:45 |
| tadzik | AL13N_work: I'd go for Aqua Fish, but it's a bit of a PITA to get | 10:45 |
| Nicd- | aqua fish is sold out, no? | 10:45 |
| Helle | Nicd-: and yes, part of that is joking, given sales volume it shouldn't be that big of an impact | 10:46 |
| tadzik | oh, I had no idea | 10:46 |
| Nicd- | it was in the news that the batch they made is sold and there's no plan to make new | 10:47 |
| AL13N_work | xiaomi seems to have good support looking at the table | 10:47 |
| Helle | I've been pondering getting in touch with Fairphone 2 and some other parties and seeing what it would take to put 500-1000 FP2's out with SailfishOS pre-installed and semi-supported (via a non-profit as developer devices, so EU regulations allows less then full support) | 10:48 |
| AL13N_work | but maybe xiaomi is not easily available in EU | 10:48 |
| Helle | AL13N_work: xiaomi is reasonably well availible | 10:48 |
| AL13N_work | ah, ok | 10:48 |
| Helle | especially on Amazon | 10:49 |
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| Helle | the reason to go FP2 btw for such a new Sailfish dev phone would be because the port has been done and Fairphone has long term hardware support | 10:49 |
| Helle | also, no dealing with Chinese or Indian companies with a major cultural barrier | 10:49 |
| mornfall | aaaand the port is still unofficial and no dalvik? | 10:49 |
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| Helle | mornfall: yep, so the port would need to be made official (so licensed from Jolla), and lack of dalvik to me is a "whatever" | 10:50 |
| Helle | mornfall: I'd rather have an option, without dalvik, then no option | 10:50 |
| mornfall | Helle: well, whatever :) | 10:51 |
| Nicd- | pretty strong faith in SFOS if you're willing to pay a hefty premium just to get a mediocre device with no Android support | 10:51 |
| Helle | Nicd-: hence the low unit count | 10:51 |
| Helle | Nicd-: but the problem with the Android support is that it's third party | 10:51 |
| Helle | so until we have sfdroid | 10:52 |
| Helle | I am not going to try and get three companies on board for a low volume deal | 10:52 |
| Helle | two would be hard enough | 10:52 |
| mornfall | ubuntu is probably a more viable platform if you are willing to ditch android | 10:52 |
| Helle | anyway, I am in talks with some people who might be willing to back this project and provide some funding and material support (handling legalese, etc) | 10:53 |
| Helle | anyway, I am in talks with some people who might be willing to back this project and provide some funding and material support (handling legalese, etc) | 10:54 |
| Helle | oops, keypress error | 10:54 |
| larstiq | mornfall: mobile ubuntu seems a bit held up | 10:54 |
| mornfall | larstiq: and sfos isn't? | 10:54 |
| Helle | (with funding being paying for the creation of a foundation and such matters) | 10:55 |
| larstiq | mornfall: much less, but then I have asymmetric information | 10:55 |
| larstiq | hmm, can't find the link immediately | 10:56 |
| larstiq | mornfall: anyway, snappy work postponing ubuntu touch | 10:56 |
| Helle | Ubuntu mobile from what I heard is essentially postponed | 10:56 |
| Helle | while SailfishOS is just stalled out a bit from what we can see | 10:56 |
| Helle | without a "nope, we won't work on this at the moment" | 10:57 |
| larstiq | http://opensourceforu.com/2017/01/canonical-make-ubuntu-touch-snappy/ not exactly what I had in mind, but roughly that | 10:58 |
| pp_ | lessee how meh MWC will be :-) | 10:58 |
| zebbiz_pi | Hi! | 10:59 |
| zebbiz_pi | I found a github repo of an app I want | 10:59 |
| zebbiz_pi | How do I install it | 10:59 |
| zebbiz_pi | ? | 10:59 |
| tadzik | you'll need the sailfish sdk | 11:00 |
| mornfall | larstiq: so what's up with sfos? I haven't heard anything for months | 11:00 |
| tadzik | clone the repository, open the project, build it and deploy to your device | 11:00 |
| zebbiz_pi | Ok, thanks | 11:00 |
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| tadzik | it's probably way easier to get it from warehouse :) | 11:00 |
| tadzik | which app is it? | 11:00 |
| larstiq | mornfall: 2.1.0 is in beta | 11:01 |
| zebbiz_pi | tadzik: https://github.com/sandsmark/bluefish | 11:01 |
| mornfall | larstiq: anything interesting in it? is a roadmap/changelog/anything available on the interwebs? | 11:02 |
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| zebbiz_pi | Only native snapchap app I've found | 11:02 |
| mornfall | (and most importantly, does it fix the browser flicker bug? :p) | 11:02 |
| Helle | reminds me, I need to try out SailfishOS on one of my tablets | 11:02 |
| tadzik | zebbiz_pi: indeed, seems like it's not released anywhere | 11:02 |
| tadzik | let us know if it works :) | 11:02 |
| larstiq | mornfall: Qt and Bluetooth upgrades, changelog should be public when it goes into early access | 11:03 |
| mornfall | I suppose ubuntu is trying to do something about the rise of docker with snap... I guess that's worthwhile :) | 11:03 |
| larstiq | mornfall: do you have link for the flicker bug so I can check? | 11:03 |
| Helle | oh, reminds me, Bluez announcements on Bluetooth LE ? | 11:04 |
| mornfall | larstiq: dunno, I thought it was universally known (and hated)... I have to restart the browser all the time on both the tablet and the phone | 11:04 |
| mornfall | https://together.jolla.com/question/149683/bug-browser-freezing-andor-blinking-after-updating-to-fiskarsinjoki/?sort=votes&page=1 probably | 11:04 |
| Helle | also, anyone have a suggestion to reverse engineer Bluetooth LE communications ? (while I don't absolutely need to, it would be handy) | 11:04 |
| mornfall | apparently 67 of the 70 people that still use TJC voted on it :P | 11:05 |
| Helle | mornfall: I can't replicate it | 11:05 |
| Helle | mornfall: I saw the bug, but don't have it happening on mobile | 11:06 |
| locusf | Helle: any signal analyzer should work or a sdr stick | 11:06 |
| Helle | locusf: presume the lowest budget route | 11:06 |
| larstiq | mornfall: doesn't have a tracking bug on it | 11:06 |
| Helle | locusf: and no existing bits and pieces | 11:06 |
| locusf | Helle: hcidump :p | 11:06 |
| locusf | dunno if it tells anything about ble | 11:06 |
| Helle | locusf: Bluez has BLE support to some extent, but I need to snoop on Android app to BLE device | 11:07 |
| mornfall | larstiq: well, seems like a pretty major problem to me, and since it's been around for what, 3 months... you see why people think sfos is basically a wasteland :P | 11:07 |
| locusf | Helle: tough luck then | 11:10 |
| Helle | locusf: well, I said low budget, not "I am not willing to invest" | 11:10 |
| mornfall | Helle: BLE won't work on the Jolla phone until a kernel upgrade (which is not happening) | 11:11 |
| locusf | Helle: yeah and tough luck from my part is that this where my skills stop :) | 11:11 |
| Helle | locusf: ah :) | 11:11 |
| Helle | mornfall: *pout* | 11:11 |
| locusf | and re-certification | 11:12 |
| mornfall | Helle: Jolla C might be better off, I don't have one | 11:12 |
| locusf | which is always fun | 11:12 |
| Helle | mornfall: I have one | 11:12 |
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| Helle | ah, Adafruit has a $30 BLE sniffer | 11:13 |
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| Helle | kernel update needed is a bit of a meeeeh though, wonder if it is possible to just get it working with a fresh module | 11:14 |
| mornfall | nope | 11:14 |
| mornfall | the kernel on jolla 1 is way past its expiration date | 11:15 |
| mornfall | the only apparent way forward is to ditch the qualcomm kernel and try rebasing to a current kernel with DRI/freedreno | 11:16 |
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| mornfall | it's a lot of work and jolla is not willing to do it | 11:16 |
| Helle | bit of a shame, I tend to prefer using my Jolla 1 | 11:16 |
| larstiq | mornfall: it _could_ be https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/pull/525 | 11:16 |
| Helle | but having my Heart Rate Monitor actually talk to it would be nice | 11:17 |
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| mornfall | larstiq: maybe, can't really tell | 11:24 |
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| zebbiz_pi | I have no idea what I'm doing... | 11:28 |
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| zebbiz_pi | I've opened the project in QtCreator | 11:29 |
| zebbiz_pi | I press the build button | 11:29 |
| zebbiz_pi | Now what? | 11:29 |
| mornfall | zebbiz_pi: now would be a good time to go get a degree in CS :-) | 11:29 |
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| zebbiz_pi | mornfall: I already have a bachelor's degree in CS ;) | 11:31 |
| zebbiz_pi | But I've never used this tool before and nothing happens when I build | 11:31 |
| zebbiz_pi | Wait | 11:31 |
| zebbiz_pi | I found out that I get errors | 11:32 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | zebbiz_pi: :) | 11:42 |
| zebbiz_pi | Oh, damnit | 11:43 |
| zebbiz_pi | It won't start the MerSDK because it's looking for the wrong kernel version | 11:43 |
| zebbiz_pi | It's looking for 4.8 but I have 4.9 | 11:43 |
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| zebbiz_pi | I'll try to reboot and then reinstall | 11:44 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | zebbiz_pi: isvirtualbox correctly installed ? | 11:49 |
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| zebbiz_pi | SfietKonstantinW: It was, but I updated linux at the same time | 11:53 |
| zebbiz_pi | So I think it configed itself after the old version | 11:53 |
| zebbiz_pi | Now I've restarted the computer and reinstalled VB | 11:53 |
| zebbiz_pi | So now that work, but there's something wrong in the code... | 11:53 |
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| zebbiz_pi | "Project ERROR: gstreamer-0.10 development package not found" | 11:57 |
| mal | do not use gstreamer 0.10 | 11:58 |
| Tegu | looks like that bluefish has not been updated in 2 years so it uses old libraries | 11:59 |
| zebbiz_pi | Yeah | 12:00 |
| zebbiz_pi | Now I need to find what use that so I can change it to a newer version | 12:00 |
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| zebbiz_pi | I found it, now to get it to work with the new version | 12:06 |
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| zebbiz_pi | Have anyone here tried to build in qtcreator on archlinux? | 12:58 |
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| AL13N_work | awesome! my app is approved! i already have downloads and comments! \o/ | 13:19 |
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| louisdk | We haven't heard anything from Jolla HQ since new year. I hope they're up to something big :) | 13:40 |
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| Nicd- | or there's nothing happening :P | 13:41 |
| larstiq | how do you define Jolla HQ? | 13:42 |
| Nicd- | @jollahq twitter? | 13:42 |
| louisdk | larstiq: well the headquarter of Jola :) | 13:45 |
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| mornfall | louisdk: apparently an update is coming at some point | 13:51 |
| mornfall | but ~0 press | 13:51 |
| mornfall | louisdk: I even hear from larstiq that it might fix the browser flicker bug | 13:52 |
| * larstiq poked press people | 13:52 | |
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| louisdk | mornfall: let's hope so :) | 13:57 |
| mornfall | zebbiz_pi: well, the SDK isn't very well thought out, and even less portable | 13:58 |
| mornfall | zebbiz_pi: I got it running with some awful hacks on NixOS before, but openbsd is completely out of the question :P | 13:59 |
| zebbiz_pi | mornfall: I got in touch with the developer of the project I was trying to build | 14:00 |
| zebbiz_pi | 14:34:36 < sandsmark> zebbiz_pi: that implements an ancient version of the snapchat protocol | 14:00 |
| zebbiz_pi | 14:34:51 < sandsmark> and I did it when semi-drunk on a plane, so the implementation is not very nice | 14:00 |
| zebbiz_pi | 14:36:00 < zebbiz_pi> sandsmark: So you don't think it will work anymore? | 14:00 |
| zebbiz_pi | 14:36:21 < sandsmark> probably not | 14:00 |
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| mornfall | yeah, well, snapchat | 14:05 |
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| mornfall | is the android app busted? | 14:06 |
| zebbiz_pi | Don't think so | 14:06 |
| mornfall | it's ICQ all over again | 14:06 |
| zebbiz_pi | I installed the android app but it wanted google play services | 14:08 |
| zebbiz_pi | Which I don't have | 14:08 |
| zebbiz_pi | So I went looking for a native app | 14:08 |
| mornfall | ah, play services | 14:08 |
| mornfall | yes | 14:08 |
| mornfall | fucked either way I guess | 14:08 |
| * zebbiz_pi nods | 14:08 | |
| zebbiz_pi | Unless sandsmark decide to update the native version :) | 14:09 |
| mornfall | you could always not use stupid proprietary services | 14:09 |
| zebbiz_pi | I don't use snapchat | 14:09 |
| mornfall | why do you want a client then? | 14:10 |
| zebbiz_pi | Someone wanted me to try | 14:10 |
| zebbiz_pi | Now I can't be nothered | 14:10 |
| zebbiz_pi | bothered* | 14:10 |
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| Nicd- | mornfall: telling people not to use something is not really the most useful answer | 14:16 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: it's either "don't use jolla" or "don't use snapchat" I guess | 14:17 |
| mornfall | where snapchat really is basically a standin for any proprietary app/protocol | 14:17 |
| mornfall | since those that sfos supported at start, none work at this point | 14:17 |
| Nicd- | or any open app/protocol for which jolla has no implementation? :P | 14:17 |
| mornfall | there are some options for open things, for proprietary there are typically none | 14:18 |
| mornfall | (at least if you restrict yourself to options where you avoid breaking laws) | 14:19 |
| Nicd- | that attitude just annoys me | 14:19 |
| mornfall | get a better one? | 14:19 |
| mornfall | got* | 14:19 |
| Nicd- | instead of saying "there's no support" you just have to say "well you could stop using that stupid thing" | 14:19 |
| Nicd- | heard it too many times in the open source circles | 14:20 |
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| mornfall | Nicd-: well, you are doing nothing to fix the attitude (actually you make it worse) | 14:22 |
| Nicd- | I'm calling you out on it. how you deal with that is up to you | 14:23 |
| mornfall | you make it sound like OSS is the bad guys because they don't have enough respect for proprietary technology, all the while the said proprietary tech has 0 respect for OSS | 14:23 |
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| Nicd- | it's not like that | 14:24 |
| mornfall | nah, not at all | 14:24 |
| Nicd- | it's not about open source vs proprietary. it's just about what helps and what doesn't. telling people their choices are stupid is a good way to alienate them from the community | 14:25 |
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| tadzik | +1 | 14:27 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | louisdk: something big from @JollaHQ could be 2.1.X | 14:28 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: you underestimate people... they usually know the thing they try to get running is stupid, but they are being forced into it by network effects or whatever | 14:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | or even better: 3.X.Y | 14:28 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: you could have had a point, 3 years ago, when a few “normal” people purchased jolla devices and those probably would be surprised that a “thing” everybody is using is not working on jolla | 14:32 |
| Nicd- | so now we can tell the rest of them to bugger off too? :D | 14:35 |
| mornfall | that's one point of view... another is, don't worry about it, the service is stupid anyway, you can live without it | 14:37 |
| mornfall | there's literally nothing that can be done to get it work, so the choice really is ditch sfos or ditch the service | 14:37 |
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| AL13N_work | ok, so redmi2 and mi4 seem not available anymore (it's all later versions) | 14:51 |
| AL13N_work | too bad all the ported stuff is older | 14:52 |
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| phlixi_o | i did not follow all of the conversation, but AL13N_work you are looking for a device, right? for the case it has not been mentioned, i just stumbled upon this thread... https://together.jolla.com/question/136143/wiki-available-devices-running-sailfish-os/ | 15:06 |
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| AL13N_work | sounds interesting | 15:15 |
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| AL13N_work | phlixi_o: :-( | 15:18 |
| AL13N_work | phlixi_o: the ones mentioned are just not available anymore :-( | 15:18 |
| phlixi_o | or not avail yet | 15:18 |
| AL13N_work | except fp2 | 15:18 |
| AL13N_work | yeah | 15:18 |
| phlixi_o | i just thought i might as well mention the thread | 15:18 |
| AL13N_work | thx | 15:19 |
| AL13N_work | phlixi_o: btw: just got an app through harbour for following manga/comics \o/ | 15:19 |
| phlixi_o | i know | 15:19 |
| phlixi_o | :-) | 15:19 |
| AL13N_work | btw: anyone at FOSDEM? | 15:19 |
| AL13N_work | next weekend? | 15:19 |
| locusf | aye | 15:24 |
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| AL13N_work | is there a meeting this time too? official talks? a dinner? | 15:27 |
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| mornfall | well, I caught a glimpse of Carol Chen in a Jolla hoodie two days ago at devconf.cz :P | 15:28 |
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| locusf | https://together.jolla.com/question/154586/fosdem-it-together-2017/ AL13N_work | 15:30 |
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