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| MelodyP | hi | 01:41 |
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| tiwake | ponies | 01:43 |
| MelodyP | https://openrepos.net/content/fooxl/zutuntxt does anyone know if this is open source? | 01:44 |
| MelodyP | i kindof assumed so by it being hosted on a site called openrepos | 01:45 |
| MelodyP | but there is no mentioning of any source | 01:45 |
| tiwake | Iunno | 01:47 |
| MelodyP | gotta say Jolla feels kindof like a bummer on the foss-side | 01:47 |
| MelodyP | but i love everything still working smoothely, even without $HIP_APP_OF__THE_WEEK | 01:48 |
| tiwake | I like it not trying to connect with every internet service out there | 01:48 |
| MelodyP | tnd (and perhaps contribute to) the source of something as useful as a todo.txt app on jolla | 01:50 |
| MelodyP | that too | 01:50 |
| tiwake | open source means I can either build it for something else, modify it to do something I need to do, or fix something that is broken... | 01:50 |
| MelodyP | though i was bummed by facebook killing xmpp | 01:50 |
| tiwake | I'm honestly too busy to do any of those for a cellphone, so *shrug* | 01:50 |
| MelodyP | because facebook integration got some of my friends jealous | 01:50 |
| tiwake | facebook is for plebs | 01:51 |
| tiwake | :3 | 01:51 |
| MelodyP | yeah, but it was a half decent xmpp service that happened to contain damn-near everyone i knew | 01:51 |
| MelodyP | it was integrated into jolla's texting ui | 01:52 |
| MelodyP | making it texting on another backend from a ui perspective | 01:52 |
| MelodyP | and removing the nuissance of facebook itself | 01:53 |
| MelodyP | though that's probably exactly why facebook killed XMPP | 01:53 |
| MelodyP | also, some people post their number on facebook, making contact integration really nice; complete with picture | 01:55 |
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| MelodyP | i like the idea of facebook as a convenient store of contact data and xmpp service | 01:56 |
| MelodyP | they should just ditch the website tbh | 01:56 |
| MelodyP | maybe just output facebook timelines in xml | 01:58 |
| MelodyP | native apps can always do a better app displaying it. | 01:59 |
| MelodyP | s/app/job | 01:59 |
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| knighthawk | Hello any jolla device admins around? | 13:32 |
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| jwalck | knighthawk: who would be a jolla device admin? I'm the admin of my own jolla devices:) | 14:38 |
| knighthawk | Yeah mate but i have a question for the device makers if available , but the question format was wrong for sure :) | 14:40 |
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| jwalck | knighthawk: I'd try submitting to the jolla support, the best way to get in contact with jolla in my experience | 14:42 |
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| knighthawk | I did recently ... I thought i might find them here too, a live chat get faster responses and would cover everything i want to ask, without the hustle of send and receive etc .... | 14:45 |
| tiwake | ponies. | 14:49 |
| r0kk3rz | knighthawk: just ask your questions, mostly likely people can offer some kind of answer | 14:50 |
| r0kk3rz | whether jolla employees or otherwise | 14:50 |
| knighthawk | Hey mate :) you are here too | 14:50 |
| knighthawk | My question is actually about the process of buying the device, availability, as on the store says it is out of stock, can i actually get the jolla c rather than the main device itself, future devices, is there a new device on the making? A jolla 900 maybe .... | 14:54 |
| knighthawk | Is there an option to add a physical keyboard using bluetooth? | 14:55 |
| r0kk3rz | device availability is a tricky subject at the moment | 15:00 |
| r0kk3rz | the short answer is there isnt any | 15:00 |
| r0kk3rz | i think theres a few aquafishes left but you have to buy them from india | 15:00 |
| knighthawk | And in india are they made by the jolla team themselves and shipped there? | 15:02 |
| r0kk3rz | no, they are made by intex an indian manufacturer | 15:02 |
| r0kk3rz | fwiw the jolla c was also made by intex | 15:03 |
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| aknighthawk | that's me from my pc now as my mobile battery is dying atm, | 15:05 |
| aknighthawk | and the jolla C is available there for purchase? and what about the device quality? do i expect something same as original or something like a chinese replica? | 15:06 |
| tiwake | collaC is just an aquafish isnt it? | 15:07 |
| tiwake | *jollaC | 15:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | no, jolla c's are finished | 15:07 |
| r0kk3rz | aquafish is very very similar | 15:07 |
| r0kk3rz | almost identical | 15:07 |
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| tiwake | aknighthawk: I have an intex aquafish, its pretty nice after using it for my first week | 15:09 |
| r0kk3rz | quality is not too bad, better than I expected for a 100 eur device | 15:09 |
| tiwake | pretty much | 15:10 |
| aknighthawk | r0kk3rz, with sailfish os also? | 15:10 |
| tiwake | the intex aquafish ships with sailfishOS only | 15:10 |
| r0kk3rz | aknighthawk: of course, otherwise i wouldnt have mentioned it | 15:11 |
| aknighthawk | tiwake, r0kk3rz I'll give it a look | 15:11 |
| aknighthawk | tiwake, r0kk3rz and we are talking same specs as the Jolla ? | 15:12 |
| aknighthawk | r0kk3rz, back to Jolla do you know if there will be other device releases or maybe a new device line ? | 15:13 |
| tiwake | a russian company is making such a device I guess | 15:13 |
| r0kk3rz | not from jolla directly, there was a hint recently about another community device like the jolla c | 15:14 |
| r0kk3rz | but who knows | 15:14 |
| aknighthawk | so Jolla itself stand silent for the time been? r0kk3rz | 15:15 |
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| aknighthawk | tiwake, any hint or device name? | 15:15 |
| r0kk3rz | silent? not really, its been known for at least a year that jolla does not make devices | 15:15 |
| tiwake | heh yeah | 15:16 |
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| aknighthawk | r0kk3rz, :) I thought since i found out all this recently, that all this is recent :D I must be out of date same as the N900 | 15:17 |
| aknighthawk | tiwake, name pls :) | 15:17 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla phone has been on the market for like 3 years? | 15:18 |
| r0kk3rz | and the possible russian future device is called the Oysters SF | 15:19 |
| aknighthawk | r0kk3rz, 3 years? wow I am out of date same as the N900 lol, was not looking back then because my time was so tight, working near 18 hours a day 6 days a week for the last 4 years of my life, | 15:21 |
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| phlixi | that is too much | 15:24 |
| aknighthawk | r0kk3rz, so I was not really that interested of what device I held, now i have more free time, so it was not until a month ago I rooted unlocked my android systems and started to feel what I missed from my n900, during this time Iphone served me well as a mobile device without involving any geek attempts. | 15:25 |
| aknighthawk | lol where did my sentence gone, that is missing some parts :D | 15:26 |
| aknighthawk | it was not before a month I rooted .... | 15:26 |
| aknighthawk | phlixi, because ... reasons :D | 15:27 |
| phlixi | sure, there are always reasons, its too much never the les :-) | 15:27 |
| r0kk3rz | each to their own, i hope you got paid well for that effort | 15:27 |
| aknighthawk | r0kk3rz, well it was worth it, this is how I got my own house :) and off course my family house too :D | 15:28 |
| aknighthawk | phlixi, like i said for r0kk3rz it was worth it ... | 15:29 |
| aknighthawk | r0kk3rz, so russian device is not yet on sale, pyra is not yet on sale the original jolla is out of stock neo900 is not what i want ... fuck am still 3 years out of date lol | 15:31 |
| attah | Is google cast broken for anyone else since the update to google home? | 15:34 |
| attah | bah! it's just on my Jolla C that got updated apparently.. the J1 still seems to work | 15:36 |
| attah | btw.. where are the android runtime log located? | 15:38 |
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| attah | scratch all that.. it was the wifi that had crashed and looked like it was connected but wasn't, found that out by trying to ssh in | 15:40 |
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| pdanek | Hello guys | 16:08 |
| pdanek | Any news about Jolla? | 16:09 |
| pdanek | Or new rumored hardware partnerships? | 16:09 |
| pdanek | How do you see the future of Sailfish? | 16:09 |
| r0kk3rz | the future is being bankrolled by the russian government | 16:11 |
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| Helle | cool, so we get FSB surveillance instead of NSA | 16:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | who knows | 16:18 |
| r0kk3rz | it would seem that open sourcing is a core part of their plans | 16:19 |
| Helle | Reminds me, I need to try on my new tablet if I can make SailfishOS run on it | 16:19 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: what did you get? | 16:19 |
| knighthawk | r0kk3rz, I just checked both the oyster sf and the aquafish, and sent both a message, but am not sure if the Russians will actually give me any reply, as far as I know Russians have some sort of strict policies regarding exports, not sure if this was lighten up now . | 16:20 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: CHUWI HiBook Pro | 16:20 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: which comes with Android/Windows 10 dual boot and can boot from USB sticks | 16:20 |
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| Helle | so a lot of options for interesting tinkering | 16:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah cherry trail thing, cool | 16:22 |
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| Helle | r0kk3rz: yeah, it seemed like the most reasonable choice | 16:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | looks fairly nice actually | 16:24 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: look at their Hi 10 line aswell if you are pondering them | 16:24 |
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| Helle | you can get a little cheaper | 16:24 |
| Helle | but the 2560x1600 screen appealed to me | 16:25 |
| Helle | (and I don't need pen support) | 16:25 |
| r0kk3rz | im not really in the market anymore, i bought an android tablet to put sailfish on | 16:25 |
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| Helle | r0kk3rz: for me it was, I need a tablet with well connected keyboard (nothing just a wimpy cover) with Android | 16:25 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i wasnt to concerned about the keyboard | 16:26 |
| Helle | for me that was the big deal | 16:26 |
| r0kk3rz | but, try and boot ubuntu or something on it, and if that works ok then sailfish should be easy | 16:26 |
| knighthawk | r0kk3rz, looks like also a turing device is gonna be out with sailfish OS | 16:26 |
| Helle | I carry this one in my purse | 16:26 |
| Helle | it's my "emergency use" laptop essentially | 16:27 |
| Helle | and just entertainment and reference machine | 16:27 |
| Helle | I have a more normal laptop if I need a bigger screen, etc | 16:28 |
| Helle | but I turn out to really like the netbook formfactor | 16:28 |
| r0kk3rz | knighthawk: maybe. thats an ongoing saga | 16:28 |
| Helle | I need to use some of my contacts and talk to some Fairphone people | 16:29 |
| knighthawk | r0kk3rz, that phone looks amazing .... and those specs beats anything out there | 16:29 |
| Helle | see what it would take to get them to assist with a Fairphone 2 with SailfishOS officially | 16:29 |
| Helle | I am sure I know someone who knows them | 16:29 |
| Helle | city is small enough :P | 16:30 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: im not sure theres more anyone can do on that front, fp is good friends with jolla, we did a good device adaptation for them | 16:31 |
| r0kk3rz | its all ready to roll should they choose to sell it | 16:32 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: I am more thinking seperate company/brand to deal with that | 16:32 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: where FP is basically just the HW supplier for that brand | 16:33 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: yes they might be interested in that kind of arrangement, who knows | 16:34 |
| Helle | I mean it removes them from having to officially support SailfishOS, which I think is a big worry | 16:35 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it seems they dont want the overhead of multiple SKUs and support required | 16:37 |
| knighthawk | r0kk3rz, I just subscribed to their pre-order list as it is closed now, I hope I will be on the list soon my god that darkwyvern is something out of this world | 16:37 |
| r0kk3rz | knighthawk: dont hold your breath, like i said its an ongoing saga. but some devices were shipped to people | 16:38 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: exactly, well, I mean it is a tiny team in a tiny office in Amsterdam, I am hardly surprised | 16:38 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: they're good guys, i like what they're doing | 16:39 |
| Helle | yep | 16:39 |
| Helle | I've met them once briefly at an event in town | 16:39 |
| r0kk3rz | yes i met a few of them when they came to london, and again at fosdem last year | 16:41 |
| Helle | but basically, I think they are the best chance for SailfishOS hardware because they seem to be dedicated to making stuff availible in the long run, instead of making disposable phones | 16:42 |
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| knighthawk | r0kk3rz, do you know what was the price tag? | 16:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | knighthawk: megabux, pushing 600-700 eur | 16:45 |
| knighthawk | r0kk3rz, looks fair price for this beauty ... am amazed and with a sailfish OS | 16:46 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but the little things... like no headphone jack | 16:47 |
| mornfall | it's just a phone knighthawk ... | 16:47 |
| r0kk3rz | and their weird power connector whatsit | 16:47 |
| r0kk3rz | and that the company might have just gone bankrupt | 16:47 |
| knighthawk | r0kk3rz, Oh .... | 16:48 |
| r0kk3rz | and their blatantly inflated ideas for the next devices | 16:48 |
| mornfall | well, even the advertised properties of the current one are way off | 16:48 |
| knighthawk | mornfall, explain please ... | 16:49 |
| mornfall | ultra-secure my ass | 16:50 |
| r0kk3rz | knighthawk: but anyway, right now none of that matters as you cant give them any money even if you wanted to. so i guess keep an eye out | 16:50 |
| mornfall | knighthawk: and its durability is also way overblown, see eg. https://www.reddit.com/r/turing_tech_support/comments/56actc/two_months_with_turing_dark_wyvern_in_pictures_as/ (and other posts over there) | 16:52 |
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| knighthawk | r0kk3rz mornfall oh man that was a nice one to look at ... different and with sailfish | 16:53 |
| knighthawk | mornfall, oh I see what you mean looking at the link | 16:55 |
| mornfall | lol, just look at their facebook page | 16:56 |
| knighthawk | mornfall, so it is nothing as the inflated advertisement they are making ... | 16:57 |
| mornfall | “because of an inability of turing to pay its business partners, turing can no longer use this page to communicate with its customers and fans” | 16:57 |
| mornfall | knighthawk: of course not... what did you expect? | 16:57 |
| knighthawk | mornfall, a titanium solid phone lol | 16:57 |
| Helle | mornfall: fun times | 16:57 |
| knighthawk | oh man back to point 0 | 16:58 |
| r0kk3rz | it's been said that turing have told jolla to pay no attention to the facebook page | 16:59 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: what would *you* say to your other business partner in that situation? :) | 16:59 |
| r0kk3rz | mornfall: exactly | 16:59 |
| mornfall | especially when you are a habitual liar... | 17:00 |
| mornfall | I find it rather amazing that any TRI devices shipped at all, to be honest | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | quite | 17:02 |
| Helle | mhm, same | 17:03 |
| knighthawk | tbh looking at you both talking make me also wonder if it was actually shipped to pre buyers | 17:03 |
| Helle | I didn't expect anything of them | 17:04 |
| r0kk3rz | knighthawk: some pre-release devices got shipped, not sure how many | 17:05 |
| r0kk3rz | recipients were told that the proper version would follow | 17:06 |
| mornfall | knighthawk: well, the photos of a chipping turing phone came from somewhere, and you can be sure as hell it wasn't from TRI | 17:06 |
| mornfall | anyway, sorry for the cold shower, but I guess it's better to get one *before* shelling out €500+ | 17:09 |
| knighthawk | actually it makes me wonder .. I mean a beautiful device that will attract a good buyers with so much potentials ... and "great" specs ... it is a shame it turned out to be the way it is ... and don't worry mate, am used to cold showers even in the coldest days of the year :D | 17:14 |
| r0kk3rz | knighthawk: they bought an old Nokia factory in Salo .fi, so who knows, time will tell | 17:17 |
| knighthawk | Ok so now lets wait and see if i will have any response from the russians or indians | 17:17 |
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| knighthawk | r0kk3rz, i miss nokia days tbh | 17:18 |
| tiwake | enh | 17:18 |
| knighthawk | r0kk3rz, it was the leading in the mobile industry ... | 17:18 |
| tiwake | empires rise and fall | 17:18 |
| knighthawk | tiwake, the phone designed was beautiful | 17:19 |
| knighthawk | designs | 17:19 |
| tiwake | knighthawk: I know, I have a N900 | 17:19 |
| r0kk3rz | knighthawk: yeah but they screwed up their lead, which is a whole other saga | 17:20 |
| knighthawk | tiwake, not just the n900 :) i had many Nokia phones e90 was the latest I guess or the N900 cannot remember but the devices were beautiful | 17:20 |
| tiwake | nokia's crowning achievement was probably the N900, USA's crowning achievement was landing on the moon... I cant wait for what will happen in the future | 17:21 |
| knighthawk | r0kk3rz, yes and when microsoft stopped all open source projects | 17:21 |
| tiwake | SpaceX and Tesla motors are right up there | 17:21 |
| r0kk3rz | tiwake: USAs crowning achievement is the internet, then maybe landing on moon | 17:22 |
| knighthawk | tiwake, yes I believe so too, as symbian by that time was falling way behind | 17:22 |
| tiwake | r0kk3rz: its because of the apollo space program though... computer systems were developed and solidified because of it | 17:22 |
| r0kk3rz | true enough | 17:23 |
| tiwake | though the "internet" was mostly started from a WW2 throwback | 17:23 |
| tiwake | much like the microwave | 17:23 |
| tiwake | the apollo space program had to move 30 years of research into 10 years | 17:23 |
| tiwake | and deliver a product | 17:24 |
| tiwake | oh man, that was a beautiful time | 17:24 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah the cold war was amazing :) | 17:24 |
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| tiwake | the threat for survival really pushes a lot of people in gear, and so much was developed from the apollo space program because of that threat | 17:25 |
| tiwake | but I digress | 17:26 |
| tiwake | the future is what is important, regardless of the current set of empires | 17:26 |
| knighthawk | we have a saying here "the need is the mother of inventions" | 17:26 |
| knighthawk | but am not gonna invent my cellphone :) | 17:27 |
| r0kk3rz | knighthawk: why not? its never been easier | 17:27 |
| tiwake | there are too many other important things to do than worry about my cellphone | 17:27 |
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| knighthawk | tiwake, not for me at the time been, at least | 17:28 |
| tiwake | then again, my focus is getting hardware and software systems to be friendly | 17:28 |
| knighthawk | i was away from the whole world for at least 4 years | 17:29 |
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| knighthawk | now am back with enthusiasm :) and have had it with my new devices, i wan something different like the N900 was for me | 17:30 |
| knighthawk | I am even considering a Pyra :) | 17:31 |
| tiwake | it will be a few years before I can really set my environment up to facilitate my abilities the best | 17:31 |
| tiwake | need to get machines, build controllers for them, need three phase power, a nice thick slab of cement and a roof over all of it | 17:32 |
| knighthawk | tiwake, sounds like a plan :) | 17:33 |
| r0kk3rz | tiwake: i wish i had my own machine shop too | 17:33 |
| tiwake | after all that, then I can really delve into everything | 17:33 |
| tiwake | r0kk3rz: I've been a machinist for 11 years now... and really enjoy about 85% of what I do for work | 17:34 |
| tiwake | but my abilities extend much further than a machine shop... kinda need my own machine shop to show those other things off | 17:34 |
| r0kk3rz | tiwake: what would you build? | 17:35 |
| tiwake | robotics | 17:35 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds fun | 17:36 |
| tiwake | r0kk3rz: I'd like to build something similar to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cIuuplWRIQ | 17:36 |
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| tiwake | maybe sell it as a product, only more violin-ish style | 17:36 |
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| tiwake | but enh... there are tons of stuff that could be done.. aside from that I donno | 17:38 |
| tiwake | r0kk3rz: "why not? its never been easier" | 17:39 |
| kimmoli | tiwake: do you think you should first learn to play instrument by yourself, before you make a robot playing such? | 17:48 |
| tiwake | kimmoli: I have a violin and can play it | 17:48 |
| tiwake | but I stopped taking lessons because it would be easier for me to build a robot to do what I want than for me to practice until I can do what I want | 17:49 |
| tiwake | like... a lot easier | 17:49 |
| tiwake | lol | 17:49 |
| kimmoli | ;) | 17:50 |
| kimmoli | my daughter plays violin, and i have tried a couple of times. i can make few notes | 17:50 |
| tiwake | for the first 6months I had the violin (got it when I turned 21) I practiced 2-4 hours every day | 17:51 |
| tiwake | fingers literally turned blue | 17:51 |
| kimmoli | i like more building machines like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_c23dsYWsM | 17:51 |
| tiwake | industry is more my focus... I can look at almost anything and take a pretty good guess at how long its going to take to make, material costs, and tooling necessary, and how the process changes with higher volume production... but that comes with years of machinist experience I guess | 17:54 |
| tiwake | the place I currently work at I don't think knows how to best utilize such awesomeness, because they have never had it before | 17:55 |
| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: what on earth are you building? | 17:55 |
| tiwake | XD | 17:55 |
| tiwake | also, this is more inline with #linuxCNC but this channel could use the extra chatter anyway | 17:56 |
| r0kk3rz | a new chair for locusf maybe | 17:56 |
| kimmoli | r0kk3rz: heh. by math, that should top at 14km/h | 17:57 |
| kimmoli | 2x 750w brushless motors | 17:57 |
| knighthawk | kimmoli, is that a tank tracks :) are you building your own king tiger :D | 17:58 |
| kimmoli | tiwake: that has connection to sailfish, as it will have sailfish app for remote control | 17:58 |
| r0kk3rz | you going to run that on 18650s? | 17:58 |
| tiwake | kimmoli: sure, close enough... heh | 17:58 |
| kimmoli | yes, 100+ of those | 17:58 |
| r0kk3rz | if its good enough for tesla, i think its good enough for you too | 17:59 |
| kimmoli | i hope so too | 17:59 |
| r0kk3rz | looks cool anyway | 17:59 |
| kimmoli | yes knighthawk those are mini excavator rubber tracks | 17:59 |
| knighthawk | kimmoli, looking good mate ... :D | 18:01 |
| kimmoli | it has a few custom cpu boards, stm32 running chibios | 18:02 |
| tiwake | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj5dyJGogWY time to counter-balance all that fun useful chatter with some music | 18:07 |
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| locusf | r0kk3rz: kimmoli: thats skookum as frig | 18:31 |
| locusf | I really do need a new wheelbarrow to haul this sack sh.. potatoes of a body around | 18:32 |
| r0kk3rz | locusf: been watching AvE i see | 18:34 |
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| locusf | r0kk3rz: sure :) | 18:42 |
| r0kk3rz | locusf: he is one crazy canadian, you handle the slang ok? its rather heavy | 18:44 |
| locusf | r0kk3rz: to some degree | 18:44 |
| locusf | of course wrt the latest video, the solvents in the air won't help | 18:45 |
| locusf | I've heard the same words on Gold Rush so thats why I can handle it ok | 18:45 |
| r0kk3rz | i guess being familiar with the subject matter helps a lot too | 18:46 |
| locusf | sure | 18:47 |
| locusf | us northerners can relate | 18:47 |
| locusf | also the variety of dialects in finnish language ... | 18:52 |
| r0kk3rz | because its not complicated enough on its own :) | 18:54 |
| locusf | indeed | 18:58 |
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