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larstiqsobukus: missing in what sense?08:55
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sobukuslarstiq: Well, the last message I see from somebody Jolla is the "C'mon guys" comment asking for more details. I wonder what details are missing. Video recording is broken in every configuration so far … or someone reporting the contrary would be interesting.10:03
sobukusAt least a Jolla 1 with 2.0.5.6 as I described would be a starting point …10:04
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larstiqsobukus: most recent is MSameer's message10:09
larstiqsobukus: and it `Tracked by Jolla JB#35329 JB#37075` fwiw10:10
larstiqsobukus: so yes, it is reproducable10:10
sobukuslarstiq: Ah, well, my complaint was more than 8 hours ago;-) Good too see MSameer's comment now.10:11
larstiqsobukus: let me check if jovirkku's comment is older thant the bugs10:11
sobukusI just wanted to know if the issue is recognised inside Jolla.10:12
larstiqsobukus: it is10:13
sobukusI see the "tracked by Jolla" now (but no bug IDs, I guess that's for the inner circle).10:13
larstiq(recognised)10:13
larstiqsobukus: I appreciate your comment about 2.0.1 ruling out gstreamer update10:14
sobukusI'd hope that playing with process priorities might work around this … but a proper fix … I fear that some inner workins of gstreamer might need tweaking or $DEITY forbid redesign to ensure proper timing and buffering for solid video recording …10:15
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r0kk3rzlarstiq: i wonder if the gstreamer update actually improved things, which made the flaw freezing more apparent10:21
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schoppenhauerHi. Is there a good music player for jolla (especially supporting many formats)11:16
schoppenhauerOn my computer i use mpv, mayve theres an mplayer frontend?11:16
schoppenhauerI couldnt find one in the store11:16
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the_mgtdefinitions for good may vary... ;)11:21
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schoppenhauerthe_mgt: yes. Well, ui may be crappy, but it should swallow as many formats as possible11:23
phlixi_have you tried "Muuzik!"?11:23
schoppenhauerphlixi_: it seems decent. Does it support mp3, ogg, mp4, flac, etc?11:25
phlixi_not sure, but i think so11:25
schoppenhauerThe description in the store does not say11:25
mornfallwell, it probably supports whatever the media api does11:25
schoppenhauerOk i will try thx11:25
mornfallso if the jolla player plays it, muuzik likely will too11:26
mornfalland yes, it is much more usable than the jolla player, although it has some surprising corner cases11:26
schoppenhauerI will see.11:27
mornfall(the difference mostly stems from the fact that the jolla player heavily relies on tracker, and tracker is, well, kind of stupid)11:27
the_mgtyep, tracker needs some beating to do what its purpose is11:28
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abransonmornfall, the_mgt: Since I've been messing with tracker, I've learned that the biggest problem with is that there's a lack of notification from the kernel when files change12:12
abransonor as rishi put it on the tracker channel: 'At this point, the biggest problem with tracker (the thing with inotify and lack of directory-wide notifications) is not tracker's fault.'12:13
abransonif that was available, the miners would almost disappear, and it's efficiency would improve a hundred-fold. and nothing else can really do much better than it in the meantime.12:14
r0kk3rzand of course the kernel people say 'inotify was never meant to be used like that'12:14
abransonyep12:14
r0kk3rzyou know, usual open source politics12:14
abransonbut afaik tracker is the most mature thing out there. the grass of other indexers is always greener, but I'd be surprised if any would actually turn out much better if we took the time to switch. and i'd expect most to be worse.12:15
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abransonwhat i'd like to solve in the short term is the use of libav instead of gstreamer. that was done because on a mobile device using gstreamer can lead to conflicts with the hw accel decoding, but I think it's loads slower, and you get a mismatch between what the device can index and what it can actually play.12:18
abransonbut that would need resource policy implementation, and the tracker extractor would have to be able to wait if the hw was in use12:19
abransonit supports mp3, ogg, mp4 and flac now though. you can add support for extra formats by getting hold of a gstreamer extra plugins pack from openrepos (though legally dodgy). atm tracker won't index those though.12:20
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the_mgti thought exactly that was the purpose of inotify....13:55
the_mgtas far as i remember, my desktop was pretty instantly finding stuff with tracker. but then there were no energy and scheduling restrictions...13:56
the_mgtmight be that the miners were just more aggressive13:56
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abransonit often does find stuff instantly when I'm testing. It could be that we've still go some tuning to do...14:02
abransonI'm always up for testing stuff if anyone has any suggestions, beside setting it on fire and watching it burn - that's reserved for MTP.14:04
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the_mgtmtp, *sigh*14:07
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pketoabranson: but afaik inotify can watch directories, do you know what exactly is the problem?15:26
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paforgive my stupidity15:55
pahow the hell do i get the menu down in the map app?15:56
pait either pans15:56
paor i get the fantastic background menu15:56
paok, by clicking on the logo..16:01
pawow16:11
pai discovered today the drop down menu that happens only in the activity view..16:11
pai thought swipe from the top was only for the fantastic background menu16:12
pai even discovered that it's possible to set swipe down to close! (which is off by default)16:12
pai feel like columbus today16:12
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r0kk3rzpketo: afaik theres an upper limit on inotify handlers which is easily reached if you're trying to watch the entire filesystem like tracker does16:50
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schoppenhauerHi. Is there a mail client for jolla that can show threads in a tree view?17:21
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locusfno17:23
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coderusi still think quasarm is the best audio player in sailfishos17:46
coderusquasarmx17:46
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Almindordoes anyone know how to package extra .so libraries and .h headers with your app using the SDK? I got the compiled files, I just need to know how to put them in the RPM in a way that'll make it work18:33
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pketor0kk3rz: yep, that's true... default limit seems to be 819219:01
r0kk3rzpketo: i dont know what the risk is of increasing that limit19:07
r0kk3rzmemory probably19:07
r0kk3rzJaymzz: 150min meeting. epic19:22
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coderusAlmindor: INSTALLS in pro file20:31
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Almindorcoderus, thanks found a nice example in one of your projects22:50
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