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| r0kk3rz | wuut, xiaomis new phone uses the shell as a speaker, and has an ultrasonic prox sensor | 16:16 |
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| Acce | so, if you leave it on table, it's going to be quite loud | 16:17 |
| r0kk3rz | its weird, it has conventional speakers + this weird vibra shell speaker instead of an earpiece | 16:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | https://youtu.be/aU10YJENvG0?t=51 | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: bone conduction? :P | 16:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | i dont think so | 16:24 |
| r0kk3rz | but maybe, id have to try it | 16:26 |
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| Marzanna[m] | I received an update for my AquaFresh! Finally! | 18:32 |
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| mornfall | Marzanna[m]: your toothpaste comes with updates? | 18:48 |
| Marzanna[m] | And with patches! | 18:50 |
| raa700 | and bugs? | 18:50 |
| Marzanna[m] | Unfortunately :( | 18:50 |
| mornfall | what is the occasional bug stuck in your teeth compared to the joy of using toothpaste 2.0 | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | w/ radioactive contents to help track you | 18:54 |
| * rigo loves the tracking fart apps :) | 19:02 | |
| Yaniel | a.k.a. radioactive pea soup | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | meanwhile http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/98444 is a good read for anybody | 19:05 |
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| rigo | Stskeeps: solution: https://nextcloud.com/box/ | 19:36 |
| rigo | I think this is really the answer if you want to remain a linux user and you want some modern device integration | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 19:39 |
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| mornfall | rigo: is that another owncloud? | 19:59 |
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| Yaniel | no, it's a box with a HDD and a rpi2 | 20:00 |
| mornfall | Yaniel: that's the boring part, yeah... it runs some software, presumably | 20:00 |
| mornfall | Yaniel: also, it's a box with a HDD *without* an rpi2 | 20:01 |
| Nicd- | is it better than owncloud? | 20:01 |
| Nicd- | (which is awful) | 20:02 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: nobody knows? | 20:02 |
| mornfall | but they say it's opensource | 20:02 |
| Nicd- | rigo could know | 20:02 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: there's an index.php involved | 20:02 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: they have a youtube video about removing it from some URLs, apparently | 20:03 |
| Nicd- | well owncloud is PHP too | 20:03 |
| mornfall | I think that about sums up all I needed to know | 20:03 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: yes | 20:03 |
| Nicd- | but yes, it is a red flag | 20:03 |
| mornfall | it's probably glued from more or less the same components | 20:04 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: wikipedia says nextcloud is a fork of owncloud | 20:04 |
| * mornfall would never have guessed | 20:04 | |
| Nicd- | ah | 20:05 |
| Nicd- | at least it looks better | 20:05 |
| mornfall | hah, Frank Karlitschek... I know that guy | 20:05 |
| mornfall | well, knew, way back when (before 2010, anyway) | 20:05 |
| Nicd- | looks like there is drama: https://owncloud.org/blog/owncloud-statement-concerning-the-formation-of-nextcloud-by-frank-karlitschek/ | 20:06 |
| mornfall | there's always drama | 20:06 |
| r0kk3rz | seafile is written in python, is that better? :P | 20:06 |
| Nicd- | and http://carlaschroder.com/nextcloud-is-dirty-deal/ | 20:07 |
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| phlixi | nxtcloud is to owncloud like libre office to ooo | 20:08 |
| phlixi | differences last time i checked where mostly some grafics, that was, august maybe? the fork was maybe mai, june? something like that | 20:09 |
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| phlixi | differences arent that much so far, but its going forward... like libre and ooo | 20:09 |
| phlixi | :-9 | 20:09 |
| Nicd- | looks like this frank dude who was an owncloud inc co-founder forked owncloud and got some owncloud inc employees to work with him to make nextcloud. creditors withdrew their support from owncloud inc and it was shut down | 20:10 |
| Nicd- | that's why everyone is angry at frank it seems | 20:10 |
| phlixi | first time i read someone is angry at frank | 20:10 |
| Nicd- | well, at least some people are angry :P | 20:11 |
| phlixi | thats silly (imho), its a common thing for OSS to fork | 20:12 |
| phlixi | like evolution :) | 20:12 |
| phlixi | or rather mutation | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | phlixi: yeah, but i presume investors/shareholders and creditors, if in debt, aren't too happy | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | but then again | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | if that was possible to 'run away' like that, somebody didn't do a very solid shareholder agreement | 20:13 |
| phlixi | if he is the main driver behind it, and investors arent in line with franks vision, its their fault | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit more complex than that, though | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | shareholders have rights | 20:14 |
| phlixi | sure, but i heard nothing about those beeing violated in that case | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, i don't know the whole story | 20:14 |
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| phlixi | well, i heard some hours of podcast dealing with it | 20:14 |
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| mornfall | well, that's easy... if there's $10M involved and no lawsuits, then it's quite likely nobody has the standing to sue | 20:15 |
| phlixi | or in other words, everything is just fine | 20:16 |
| phlixi | ^^ | 20:16 |
| mornfall | well, there's the angry blogs | 20:16 |
| phlixi | reminds me that i wanted to migrate my owncloud installations to nextclooud | 20:16 |
| mornfall | but yeah | 20:16 |
| phlixi | and to migrate to a diofferent hoster | 20:16 |
| phlixi | ...guess i will remind the same stuff in a few weeks again^^ | 20:17 |
| phlixi | [2016-11-17 21:07:25] <Nicd-> and http://carlaschroder.com/nextcloud-is-dirty-deal/ << wow, that sounds like a huge pile of bad smelling something... | 20:20 |
| phlixi | not a single fact. and just some ranty stuff "i think it was like this" and then accusations | 20:21 |
| r0kk3rz | what would OSS be without the drama anyway | 20:21 |
| phlixi | the only thing i read there is "i got fired, and did not get the last paycheck(s?) | 20:22 |
| phlixi | so owncloud is "dirty" because they did not pay, not nextcloud | 20:23 |
| phlixi | but yeah, drama... whatever^^ | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | that does look a bit like 'jettison the product and get rid of the liabilities', which is a typical business tactic | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | which is fwiw why to have a good shareholder agreement | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:24 |
| phlixi | like no longer selling phones and having some hong kong company sell the next product? | 20:25 |
| phlixi | :D | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah, not 'some', a subsidiary | 20:25 |
| phlixi | details | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | people should try to get into the physics about companies and how they work, be established, etc :P | 20:26 |
| phlixi | disclaimer: i am not angry at jolla. i stil belive jolla is doing as good as possible | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's really funky the kind of stuff that's possible | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, doesn't matter to me, i'm not currently doing any work for jolla (busy with my own thing) | 20:27 |
| rigo | Nicd-: nextcloud is a fork of owncloud as owncloud was taken over by "investors" | 20:29 |
| rigo | the guy who created owncloud forked it for that reason. The investors had requests for commercialisation not compatible with his views | 20:30 |
| rigo | short term vs long term, as usual | 20:30 |
| r0kk3rz | thats usually how it works, you take peoples money and they expect something in return | 20:32 |
| rigo | :) indeed | 20:33 |
| rigo | my best guess is that the innovation power is in Stuttgart and will remain there with nextcloud (like for SuSE in Nürnberg or the libreoffice move out from oracle openoffice licensing) | 20:35 |
| rigo | nextcloud, like owncloud, is still in its infancy if you compare to exchange. But it is promising as an alternative platform for those not wanting to be utterly convenient and dependent | 20:36 |
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| rigo | BTW, what are the latest news about sailfishOS on fairphone 2? Is there hope to get some hardware? | 20:40 |
| Nicd- | hardware? isn't the phone for sale? | 20:42 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: hardware for sfos, presumably | 20:43 |
| Nicd- | what does that mean? | 20:43 |
| phlixi | i guess the question is "i want to buy something with android suppport, is there something?" | 20:43 |
| Nicd- | seems to be pretty good: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 20:45 |
| rigo | it is not even about android support. Because my android phones had this terrible lag and the and the android apps on the jolla do the same | 20:47 |
| rigo | it is about some hardware one can take to put SFOS on with native apps. | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | fairphone's a pretty good port but none of the 3rd party bits | 20:48 |
| rigo | ah, so not the full experience | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's without word completition, alien dalvik, exchange support, i think | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | so quite 'pure' sailfishos | 20:50 |
| * rigo gets some commercial itching to try that out of a garage | 20:50 | |
| * rigo has to go CU | 20:52 | |
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| phlixi | cu | 20:55 |
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| phlixi | whats the current iphone se equivalent in the android world? like not the super top most powerfull flagship, but decent stats, and more importantly SMALL? like 4"ish | 20:58 |
| Yaniel | Who would even buy such a thing | 20:59 |
| Yaniel | No sense in making phones that small | 20:59 |
| Yaniel | /s | 20:59 |
| r0kk3rz | you can probably buy a chinese something in that size | 21:00 |
| r0kk3rz | but Yaniel is right, anything less that 5" is silly | 21:01 |
| phlixi | it might be true, that most people want 5" and bigger, but, (maybe) most, but for sure not ALL | 21:02 |
| phlixi | thats fine if you dont like small screens, but that has not to be the same for everyone | 21:02 |
| Yaniel | Personally, I'd say my iPhone SE could still be a bit smaller | 21:02 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its pretty terrible choice considering the size of the market really | 21:02 |
| Nicd- | I bought a 5.5" and it felt terrible. the size was the worst part of the phone. a month later and it feels totally natural and my Jolla feels really really tiny | 21:03 |
| Nicd- | I was pretty surprised about that | 21:03 |
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| phlixi | yeah, i know you all want big screens and small is useless... but i was really hoping for an advice :D | 21:03 |
| phlixi | i have a nexus whatever as well, which is huge... you dont have to preach me big screen sizes^^ | 21:04 |
| Nicd- | it was just my personal anecdote :) | 21:04 |
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| Yaniel | Actually I'd say the SE was a breath of fresh air even after the Jolla, size-wise | 21:05 |
| Yaniel | The UI has remained horrible to this dau | 21:05 |
| Yaniel | Day* | 21:05 |
| Yaniel | And the keyboard is outright hostile | 21:05 |
| Nicd- | android has a pretty nice keyboard, I'm much faster at typing than with SFOS | 21:07 |
| r0kk3rz | you sure its not just the increase in screen size? | 21:07 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla see is nicer to type on than jolla for that reason | 21:08 |
| Nicd- | that might contribute. but it has features like long pressing and swiping | 21:08 |
| Nicd- | it's pretty crazy that you can swipe around in the keyboard for a while and it will write a long word for you | 21:09 |
| r0kk3rz | i never got used to that idea | 21:11 |
| phlixi | only thing i can find are some sony compact ones, they seemto be all in the range of 6.5 x 13cm, which is pretty much exactly the jolla form factor... isnt there something litlebit smaller? iphone5 is 5.5cm in width | 21:12 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi: like i said, either you play taobao or aliexpress roulette or.... deal with it | 21:14 |
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| phlixi | thats unfortunately not an option | 21:14 |
| Nicd- | go to a store and look at the selection? | 21:14 |
| phlixi | i dont have time for that^^ | 21:15 |
| phlixi | i live in bavaria, stores are closed all the time | 21:15 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, we arent your personal shopping assistants :P | 21:15 |
| phlixi | its not allowed by law to have a store open after 8pm | 21:15 |
| Nicd- | that's silly | 21:17 |
| phlixi | but reality | 21:17 |
| phlixi | of course you dont open on sundays | 21:17 |
| phlixi | ...at all | 21:17 |
| Nicd- | we just removed time restrictions from regular stores | 21:19 |
| Nicd- | society has not collapsed yet | 21:19 |
| r0kk3rz | give it time | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | tesco up the street is open 24/7 except on national holidays | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | ton of kiosks seeming to be profitable even with that | 21:21 |
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