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| walkingzen | hi | 07:44 |
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| walkingzen | I bougth aqua fish recently and having issues with proxy | 07:44 |
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| till | 2.0.4 is out | 09:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | after all that complaining tortoisedoc isnt around to ping | 09:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | browser seems sped up | 10:33 |
| r0kk3rz | nice | 10:33 |
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| TMavica | Call recorder seem gone after update | 11:27 |
| TMavica | Cant install back | 11:27 |
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| SQUelcher | The updated changed the empty network name string of my Three UK SIM to 23420 (MCC MNC) :) (It's still roaming, so "·Telekom.de" went to "23420·Telekom.de" | 12:34 |
| SQUelcher | ( | 12:34 |
| SQUelcher | )) | 12:34 |
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| taaem | Okay so Jolla Store is fetching the installed apps from which app was installed with that Jolla Account right? because I switched my Jolla Accounts and now the list of installed apps is empty and only new installed apps show up there | 12:46 |
| Jope | indeed | 12:47 |
| taaem | Jope: is that intended? | 12:48 |
| Jope | how would you do it | 12:48 |
| taaem | Jope: I see the problem maybe not connect the data of downloaded apps to the account but just store it locally | 12:51 |
| Jope | reset phone -> what nao | 12:52 |
| taaem | reset deletes all data anyway so you start from a blank list because no apps are installed | 12:57 |
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| Jope | true, the list is there to ease getting the apps back you had before if you switch devices or reset it, so that's why it's bound to the account | 13:02 |
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| Jope | but definitely there are many ways to skin this cat, that is the solution jolla chose, and that is incidentally also what apple and google are doing with their app stores, so I'd wager that the majority of the consumers are expecting this behaviour | 13:02 |
| tigeli | skinning the cat mentioned! | 13:03 |
| tigeli | Jope: yeah, I guess the main difference is that with apple/google you can still see the list of all applications which you have ever "bought" on a separate tab | 13:04 |
| Jope | yep | 13:04 |
| Jope | also they offer the possibility of automatically installing everything onto a new device :-) | 13:04 |
| Jope | I don't want that tho .. there's so much crud in those lists | 13:04 |
| tigeli | Jope: sure.. and with the phones which have nfc you can just place the back of the devices againts each other and they will automatically transfer all the shit.. | 13:05 |
| Jope | futuristic | 13:05 |
| tigeli | (ok, you will still have to accept it from the source phone) | 13:06 |
| tigeli | :( | 13:06 |
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| larstiq | we could also drop you in an ed session to curate the list of installed apps | 13:10 |
| r0kk3rz | larstiq: brilliant. i'll expect that for 2.0.5 | 13:11 |
| larstiq | r0kk3rz: I'm afraid 2.0.5 is already closed for feature development | 13:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | laaaame | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | are we ever going to get an updated roadmap? :P | 13:13 |
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| phlixi_o | lol | 13:24 |
| phlixi_o | i thought this speeds up the update check on the phone | 13:24 |
| phlixi_o | i remember checking for updates on n900 took AAAAGEEEEESSSS | 13:25 |
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| Tofe | Looks like the guys aren't that confident with the update concerning media files :) | 13:26 |
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| Tofe | First backup onto Dropbox, let's see how that goes... | 13:31 |
| cehteh | dont worry, the NSA protects your data :D | 13:31 |
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| Tofe | Well, at least there's a backup :p | 13:31 |
| cehteh | lol | 13:32 |
| cehteh | i just let my normal backup server handle my jolla too | 13:32 |
| cehteh | rsync ftw | 13:32 |
| cehteh | automatic, daily, private, reliable | 13:32 |
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| Tofe | I have other ways of backuping too, I just wanted to test that possibility and see what goes on the server | 13:32 |
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| Tofe | The least I can say is that the process isn't verbose... I don't know what's being saved, how big it is, what is the progress... | 13:36 |
| cehteh | your passwords, wifi, email, your porn collection and all the bomb building books | 13:42 |
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| Tofe | no, actually it seems to be playing with packagekit. I don't know why. | 13:46 |
| Tofe | Seems to be stuck... | 13:54 |
| Tofe | Weird to say that, but I should never have started a backup :p | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | Tofe: which menu did you start the backup from | 13:55 |
| Tofe | from the update | 13:56 |
| Tofe | I checked "do an backup", then selected Dropbox as a destination, then I got the non-interactive, never-ending screen "please wait while the backup is being done" | 13:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | Tofe: check the known issues on the release notes :P | 13:57 |
| r0kk3rz | "This is because the backup option in the Sailfish OS update dialog tends to stall in some cases" | 13:57 |
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| Tofe | ah, oops :) | 13:57 |
| Tofe | ok, let's ask for a reboot; hopefully using the power key it's possible to get back to the main screen | 13:58 |
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| pa | is there a roadmap for updates on the Qt libraries in sailfish? | 14:17 |
| pa | or is it gonna stay on 5.4? | 14:17 |
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| Tofe | It's not on 5.4, but mostly on 5.2 iirc :) | 14:20 |
| Tofe | But they are investigating 5.6, even preparing the field, as one can see in the latest update logs | 14:20 |
| Tofe | "Fix compilation with Qt 5.6" etc | 14:20 |
| Tofe | Qt 5.6 is LTS and even includes QtWebEngine, I don't see any benefit targetting 5.4 | 14:21 |
| Tofe | Ok, my update went fine (apart from the backup thingy, which I should have known if I read the update logs carefully...) | 14:22 |
| pa | but is it possible to ship own qt libraries? or are there platform plugins that have to be fixed? | 14:23 |
| pa | the alternative is to build a qt for android app with one of the latest versions | 14:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | pa: i think the expectation is 5.6 within the next couple of releases | 14:26 |
| pa | hm.. | 14:26 |
| pa | hopefully the android version will run | 14:27 |
| pa | 5.6 is really old | 14:27 |
| pa | so many features are now coming in 5.8, 5.9 | 14:27 |
| r0kk3rz | its not that old | 14:27 |
| r0kk3rz | not compared with 5.2 | 14:27 |
| pa | well 5.2 barely worked :) | 14:27 |
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| abranson | 5.6 is LTS. it's sensible for a mobile OS to follow LTS releases. | 14:36 |
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| Tofe | pa: targetting 5.7 would be much more work, as QtWayland has changed a lot its windowing infrastructure for that version (for better multiple display support iirc) | 14:42 |
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| MoritzJT | Hi | 14:44 |
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| MoritzJT | Updating to | 14:45 |
| MoritzJT | 26 | 14:45 |
| MoritzJT | Updating to 2.0.4 fails for me, is there any log on why? | 14:45 |
| Tofe | "fails" is a bit vague | 14:47 |
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| MoritzJT | I unapplied all patches by using the latest patchmanager and balanced out BTRFS regularly. I have more than enough space and it quit twice on me with the message updating not successfull, rebooting now | 14:48 |
| MoritzJT | Sailfish OS konnte nicht aktualisiert werde. Bitte versuche es später erneut. Das Gerät wird jetzt neu gestartet. | 14:48 |
| MoritzJT | That's the message I get after maybe 3% progress | 14:49 |
| MoritzJT | I have used ssu re and version --dup once, but the last early access update installed just fine after showing the same symptoms once or twice | 14:52 |
| MoritzJT | And that was installed using the UI# | 14:52 |
| Tofe | Ok, yes, and after a reboot the journal will be emptied | 15:01 |
| Tofe | You could create /var/log/journal by hand and look at it after the reboot | 15:03 |
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| MoritzJT | Fixing the App Registry via utilities gives me a little bit more progress, maybe it works now | 15:10 |
| MoritzJT | thx for the hint on logs! | 15:10 |
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| pketo | MoritzJT: there is /var/log/systemupdate.log | 15:48 |
| pketo | that is basically journal dump during the update installation | 15:49 |
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| MoritzJT | I will check the location if my jolla boots again | 15:51 |
| MoritzJT | currently the update went further but is stuck at 50% roughly not doing anything since about 30 mins | 15:51 |
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| pp_ | heh, looks like mine is still optimizing after 2-3 hours | 16:02 |
| MoritzJT | 3 hours already? | 16:04 |
| MoritzJT | Do you regularly balance BTRFS? | 16:04 |
| MoritzJT | Or is there more to the preparation process? | 16:04 |
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| pp_ | not since the previous upgrade | 16:08 |
| pp_ | I wonder if there's a btrfs oops or similar in dmesg :P | 16:09 |
| pp_ | hoho, "btrfs corrupt leaf" | 16:09 |
| MoritzJT | how to mess with jolla enthusiasts | 16:10 |
| pp_ | I guess just letting it run is the safest bet, it's dumping those every second | 16:12 |
| pp_ | hmn except it's the same block every time, so it must be stuck | 16:13 |
| MoritzJT | I wish I had a clue what it meant. I have no idea how BTRFS is structured. | 16:16 |
| MoritzJT | Mine is stuck on the white bar... nothing verbose at all! | 16:16 |
| pp_ | it's running btrfs balance on mine | 16:16 |
| pp_ | terminal, ps aux :-) | 16:16 |
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| pp_ | well, if it's already updating, it's not that | 16:17 |
| MoritzJT | Exactly. The optijmizing part was fast, 2 mins max. I did btrfs balance manually to 60% | 16:17 |
| MoritzJT | However each time after the update failed, I had to redownload it | 16:17 |
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| MoritzJT | Now the first time it got past the update failed message, it's stuck at 50% | 16:18 |
| MoritzJT | I hope you get past the optimization part soon | 16:18 |
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| Tegu | my jolla1 got stuck on the white update bar once. had to take it to jolla | 16:21 |
| MoritzJT | Yeah, not going to happen... | 16:22 |
| MoritzJT | I'll send a squad over to qualcomm and make them drop their blobs so we can finally flash ourselves. -.- | 16:22 |
| PeperJohnny | MoritzJT: please do =) | 16:26 |
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| MoritzJT | Tegu, how did you end up with abroken jolla? | 16:50 |
| MoritzJT | did you restart? | 16:50 |
| Tegu | MoritzJT: I just started the update but it never progressed | 16:52 |
| Tegu | didn't restart | 16:52 |
| Tegu | (didn't dare to restart) | 16:52 |
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| MoritzJT | hmmm so why did you end up sending it to jolla? | 17:05 |
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| pp_ | urgh, still broken, tried a manual balance and it does the same | 19:07 |
| pp_ | backup & fsck time, maybe | 19:07 |
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| MoritzJT | hmm annoying, no one pays you for the lost time :D It's the price to pay for a halfwhat privacy concerned os... still far from ideals | 19:19 |
| MoritzJT | I got mine to update by pulling the battery... | 19:19 |
| MoritzJT | apparently it showed the update agasin | 19:19 |
| MoritzJT | this time 180 mb in size rather than 250 | 19:19 |
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| pp_ | hehe, btrfs check --repair crashes :D | 19:49 |
| pp_ | so it's either use 2.0.2, backup & factory reset or switch to the nexus 5x I have around (that would need a nanosim so meh) | 19:54 |
| pp_ | or maybe some ninja-style recovery mode fsck with newer tool :D | 19:54 |
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| paulvt | btrfs check --repair crashes if there is not enough space | 20:28 |
| paulvt | you can use rescue to mount it without the rebalance, create some space, and remount it with rebalance | 20:29 |
| paulvt | I know already personally 3 ppl in my surroundings that have encountered and fixed it this way | 20:29 |
| paulvt | (without factory reset) | 20:29 |
| pp_ | 5G free but I nuked 1.5G more, lessee | 20:30 |
| pp_ | devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 10.82GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 20:32 |
| paulvt | yeah but it was the metadata that made it "full" | 20:32 |
| paulvt | IIRC | 20:32 |
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| pp_ | heh, I did "something" and now a manual balance went through | 20:48 |
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