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| MrChrisDruif | Hey guys, a was just wondering how much is working with Sailfish on the OnePlus One =) | 05:52 |
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| Nicd- | check here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 05:53 |
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| MrChrisDruif | Nicd-: basically everything works however GPS and camera are only available through terminal or something? | 06:14 |
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| Nicd- | should ask #sailfishos-porters that | 06:14 |
| MrChrisDruif | And some things aren't tested yet | 06:14 |
| MrChrisDruif | Will do, thanks | 06:15 |
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| Ingvix | I wonder what is taking so long to send my phone back from repair. It was already fixed on 26th | 08:49 |
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| till | the repair of my Jolla's screen last year took something like 3-4 weeks | 09:54 |
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| rigo | +1 here | 10:08 |
| rigo | actually shows how keen people are on their jolla :) | 10:09 |
| rigo | I still believe jolla needs to sell fairphone2 and acqua fish in their own shop, make money and pay people | 10:09 |
| rigo | :) | 10:10 |
| Helle | rigo: well, obviously rebranded versions I guess | 10:11 |
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| rigo | sure, but rebranding would just be the icing ... | 10:12 |
| * rigo is willing to help them doing the contracts :) | 10:13 | |
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| r0kk3rz | jolla is out of the retail game | 10:16 |
| till | btw, didn't they split jolla into a software and a hardware company? | 10:16 |
| till | so what is the hw part doing, if not making devices? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's probably easier to think of it as there not being a hw company | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | jolla adventures until well, shit hit the fan, could have done part of that story | 10:18 |
| till | so it's basically not existing anymore? at least as a phone/mobile device company? | 10:19 |
| tbr | they never wanted to be in that game anyway | 10:19 |
| tbr | they felt they had to, in order to showcase their capabilities | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | nobody takes you serious in OS game until you've put out a certified and sellable device | 10:20 |
| rigo | +1 | 10:22 |
| rigo | and they will lose that recognition again | 10:23 |
| zbeasnyy | you could argue that jolla c was unavoidable as a tablet disaster mitigation thing | 10:23 |
| zbeasnyy | but doing similar one-offs with fp2 or other phones when applicable would still make sense | 10:24 |
| zbeasnyy | it does improve image of the company to put out something tangible once in a while | 10:24 |
| r0kk3rz | zbeasnyy: i dont see it being related to the tablet, more of a nice thing to do for european community | 10:24 |
| zbeasnyy | you don't want a failed kickstarter to be the last publicized event tied to your company | 10:25 |
| till | i like the idea of a "nexus" device series for the community, just as the jolla c | 10:25 |
| rigo | the problem is to have outreach. jolla has huge outreach. It would be economically dumb not to leverage that in combination with partners | 10:26 |
| zbeasnyy | rigo: jolla has tiny outreach by anything resembling industry average | 10:26 |
| rigo | and to produce some plastic cover with jolla logo can't be r0kk3rz-science | 10:27 |
| rigo | zbeasnyy: you have no idea | 10:27 |
| rigo | :) jolla has reached the multiplicators. The market will follow. Unless | 10:28 |
| rigo | unless they stop now | 10:28 |
| zbeasnyy | multi what? | 10:28 |
| till | intex? | 10:28 |
| rigo | the IETF security area director uses a jolla phone e.g. | 10:28 |
| rigo | many more | 10:29 |
| zbeasnyy | probably a huge nerd | 10:29 |
| rigo | people are fed up with google accounts | 10:29 |
| rigo | zbeasnyy: the iphone started as a nerdy thing too | 10:29 |
| zbeasnyy | no it didn't | 10:29 |
| zbeasnyy | and there are many reasons to get jolla/sailfish, but security is not one of them | 10:30 |
| rigo | I believe that's what the people from nokia said at the time :) | 10:30 |
| rigo | zbeasnyy: I'm not talking about security (my CCC-friends use old symbian or feature phones) | 10:31 |
| rigo | zbeasnyy: I talk about the surveillance economy | 10:31 |
| zbeasnyy | what else is wrong with google accounts? | 10:31 |
| zbeasnyy | that's a security issue | 10:31 |
| rigo | zbeasnyy: if you don't know, IRC is not the right place to explain | 10:32 |
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| zbeasnyy | let's put it this way, if apps on your phone do things you don't want them to and you can't stop them, that's a security problem | 10:32 |
| rigo | if this is a situation by design, than you don't have a security problem, but an architecture problem and patching won't help | 10:33 |
| zbeasnyy | the only platform that gets close to plugging at least some of those data leaks is iOS (and, well, cyanogen) | 10:34 |
| zbeasnyy | rigo: security is first about design, second about patching vulnerabilities | 10:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | rigo: i'll have you know r0kk3rz-science is very complicated :P | 10:35 |
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| rigo | iOS is rather secure, but it toasts only Apple toasts. My kids laugh on those others with their iphone 6s and they are not able to exchange a piece of music by bluetooth | 10:40 |
| rigo | and if you root it, it is as insecure as android | 10:40 |
| r0kk3rz | realistically, thats how you create a secure device, you control _everything_ | 10:42 |
| zbeasnyy | rigo: technically, exchanging music over bluetooth is illegal (and if you own the latest iphone, you probably have a subscription for apple music or spotify, so the laugh is probably, well, misplaced) | 10:47 |
| rigo | zbeasnyy: you want to tell me what's illegal? :) | 10:59 |
| Lieke_ | exchanging music isn't illegal, copyright infringement is | 10:59 |
| rigo | Lieke_: exactly ... | 10:59 |
| zbeasnyy | Lieke_: the exact difference here being? | 11:00 |
| rigo | not all exchange of copyrighted work is per se illegal | 11:00 |
| Helle | zbeasnyy: that there is a lot of music with more open rights, listening to some right now | 11:00 |
| Lieke_ | ^ | 11:00 |
| zbeasnyy | yes, I am pretty sure we are not talking about that kind of music here | 11:01 |
| zbeasnyy | neither is it about the kids' own compositions, is it? | 11:01 |
| rigo | and there is the exception of private use, and the lumpsum on media and ... | 11:01 |
| Helle | zbeasnyy: so why do we need technological measures that also prevent legal uses ? | 11:01 |
| rigo | and I'm only talking about Europe here | 11:01 |
| rigo | Helle: it is a business model on a platform you control | 11:02 |
| zbeasnyy | Helle: we don't need them, but laughing at someone who chooses a platform with such is stupid | 11:02 |
| zbeasnyy | Helle: especially so if 90+% of the usecase for not having those controls is shady at best | 11:02 |
| rigo | zbeasnyy: sorry for the "laughing". But I seriously doubt the 90+% you assert | 11:05 |
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| rigo | sharing via bluetooth is the same as sharing tapes in times of tapedecks. There is an entire legal framework for that and it is exactly NOT illegal. Putting music on torrent is | 11:06 |
| zbeasnyy | and most importantly, technical measures are irrelevant as long as the copyright laws suck... work to get the laws fixed | 11:06 |
| rigo | if the rightsholder did not agree to it | 11:06 |
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| zbeasnyy | rigo: it is not the same, and copying tapes is also shady at best | 11:07 |
| rigo | zbeasnyy: the biggest problem is the misunderstanding of the complex copyright law. Either people are succumbing to FUD or they ignore it. None of the options really work | 11:07 |
| zbeasnyy | rigo: lending tapes is much less problematic though | 11:08 |
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| rigo | zbeasnyy: AFAIK in Europe the other way around | 11:08 |
| rigo | lending is very problematic :) | 11:08 |
| zbeasnyy | lending and renting is not the same thing | 11:08 |
| rigo | or rather renting your tape | 11:08 |
| zbeasnyy | you can't rent, obviously | 11:09 |
| rigo | you can, if you have a contract | 11:10 |
| rigo | and even take a private copy, because it is from a legal source | 11:10 |
| zbeasnyy | private copy, yes... 'private' copy for your classmates, not quite | 11:11 |
| rigo | not all of them, but certainly for your friends | 11:13 |
| zbeasnyy | that's where things get muddy | 11:13 |
| rigo | and depending on where you are. French law is the strictest | 11:14 |
| zbeasnyy | I wouldn't rely on it in court. | 11:14 |
| rigo | how many times were you in court? | 11:14 |
| zbeasnyy | never, and I don't intend to get there | 11:14 |
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| rigo | :) | 11:14 |
| zbeasnyy | law is treacherous, and what you think the law says is not quite relevant | 11:15 |
| zbeasnyy | what you describe is nearly nowhere expressly allowed | 11:16 |
| zbeasnyy | it may or may not hold up | 11:16 |
| rigo | that's my business :) | 11:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | zbeasnyy: usually the law says what isnt allowed, not what is | 11:32 |
| r0kk3rz | so unless its expressly forbidden, its fine | 11:32 |
| zbeasnyy | r0kk3rz: copying as such is expressly forbidden and there are exceptions | 11:33 |
| zbeasnyy | so that doesn't help here | 11:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | yes i suppose we are talking about the abortion of justice that is moden copyright law | 11:37 |
| zbeasnyy | yes, I already said it sucks and needs to be fixed :) | 11:37 |
| zbeasnyy | some people are trying to make it suck less (Senficon), but they are a very small minority and corporate lobby is really trying hard to crush them | 11:38 |
| zbeasnyy | (yes, there is an EU-wide copyright reform in the works, and it doesn't look very good at this point) | 11:39 |
| r0kk3rz | zbeasnyy: thats because its being driven by us interests, who have the worst copyright law in the world :/ | 11:40 |
| zbeasnyy | well, at least US has fair use which gives courageous people some room in court battles | 11:41 |
| zbeasnyy | US-style copyright without fair use will be a total clusterfuck though | 11:41 |
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| till | seems like the lte800 fix for jolla c is released | 12:13 |
| * Armadillo searches for updates | 12:15 | |
| Armadillo | none available :( | 12:16 |
| till | https://together.jolla.com/questions/139603/revisions/ | 12:16 |
| Armadillo | yeah saw it, thanks | 12:17 |
| till | have you subscribed for ea? | 12:17 |
| Armadillo | sure | 12:18 |
| Armadillo | you got the update already? | 12:18 |
| till | i don't have a jolla c | 12:19 |
| r0kk3rz | patience Armadillo | 12:19 |
| r0kk3rz | give it 5min | 12:19 |
| till | just saw the updated tjc post while procrastinating :) | 12:20 |
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| Armadillo | there we go | 12:55 |
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| till | got it as well, even on jolla 1 | 13:18 |
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| HtheB | anyone from the US awake? | 13:42 |
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| HtheB | coderus: the open gapps installer removed the playstore on my Jolla C | 14:22 |
| HtheB | any idea what I need to do to get it back? | 14:22 |
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| coderus | apkd-install as usually | 14:32 |
| coderus | after some time icon should appear itself :D | 14:32 |
| coderus | i dont understand why it disappear after install and appear after some period :D | 14:34 |
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| HtheB | coderus: Ok, it's probably updating something? | 14:41 |
| * HtheB will wait, no problem | 14:41 | |
| coderus | maybe, i dont know :D | 14:41 |
| HtheB | coderus: now that you're here | 14:42 |
| HtheB | any idea how I can get back the Software update page? | 14:42 |
| HtheB | after the patchmanager update, I couldn't access the software update page anymore | 14:42 |
| HtheB | I've already removed patch manager and reinstalled it | 14:42 |
| coderus | pkcon install jolla-settings-sailfishos | 14:42 |
| HtheB | thanks | 14:42 |
| HtheB | It worked, thanks | 14:44 |
| HtheB | one last question | 14:44 |
| HtheB | I've had "Volume control" patch, but I've accidently updated the OS before turning it off | 14:44 |
| HtheB | I've tried everything to get it off, but I couldn''t find the correct command | 14:44 |
| HtheB | (This patch: https://openrepos.net/content/alina/patch-volume-control-settings | 14:45 |
| HtheB | ah wait, the developer replied to my message... | 14:46 |
| HtheB | didnt notice it | 14:46 |
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| HtheB | _sigh_ didn't work :( | 14:51 |
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| HtheB | coderus: Where is the apk file located at? | 14:52 |
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| MoritzJT | anyone successfully update to latest early access? | 15:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | seems to have | 15:05 |
| till | yes | 15:07 |
| till | although the "creating backup" screen hang, and i rebooted before performing the actual upgrade | 15:08 |
| till | somehow the new backup system is confused, in the first run I am asked to select a base backup out of two. when i run it again, there are four older backups which where not mentioned before | 15:14 |
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| coderus | update works fine, also patchmanager built-in unapply all patch worked perfectly :) | 15:22 |
| PeperJohnny | I can't really see what's been changed with .51 except for the LTE Bug. Has anyone else spotted something? | 15:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | PeperJohnny: why would there be anything else? | 15:29 |
| PeperJohnny | r0kk3rz: It doesn't have to. Just curious if there is something else they needed to fix urgently | 15:30 |
| r0kk3rz | its all the release notes says | 15:33 |
| PeperJohnny | r0kk3rz: ok thank you | 15:34 |
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| PeperJohnny | Well I made a diff with a cached version of tjc and they updated the Facebook API and made some other minor fixes to SIM Cards | 15:45 |
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| TMavica | HtheB: It wont appear again, I have waited 1 day, so I go back lower version of opengapps, wait play store update itself, now is fine | 16:26 |
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| divansantana | hi all! I'm new to jolla community and sailfish community. Been dying to get a sailfish device for years. Owned the *awesome* n900. Couldn't get my hands on the N9 or Jolla1. Now, today, got the Jolla C. In South Africa. :) | 18:13 |
| divansantana | Have a lot of questions... And hoping to get the device in a good state relatively quickly. | 18:13 |
| divansantana | One of many Qs, what does enabling dev mode provide exactly? | 18:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | divansantana: sshd and terminal | 18:15 |
| pahartik | divansantana: Unix shell access | 18:16 |
| coderus | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/sections/200326837-Developer-Mode | 18:18 |
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| divansantana | https://together.jolla.com/question/14066/developer-mode-effects-on-system/ | 18:21 |
| divansantana | cool thanks for the replies... | 18:22 |
| divansantana | I need to search the standard stuff more... | 18:22 |
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| attah | Jaaay, JC hangs in creating backup | 18:45 |
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| Lieke_ | same happened for me on J1 | 18:54 |
| attah | Woooo! LTE!! | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | woo | 19:06 |
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| attah | In case anyone was interested... AF + JC modem FW = modem crash | 20:02 |
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| divansantana | getting jolla "store error" when opening the app | 20:46 |
| divansantana | not sure if theres issues with the online jolla store? All of a sudden. I did just install warehouse sailfish app | 20:47 |
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| divansantana | Getting "general communication problem" on my jolla C when opening the jolla store. Not sure if it's the store issue or because I installed warehouse app. Anyone have any idea what I can try | 21:28 |
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| phlixi | probably not what you want to hear divansantana, but you can search t2j | 22:18 |
| phlixi | tjc | 22:18 |
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