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| rigo | my android icons do not show up. I searched TJC to no avail. Is this a known issue? | 09:05 |
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| coderus | yes, some apps cant generate icons | 09:42 |
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| HtheB | coderus: any idea why some apps generates more then 1 icon? | 09:48 |
| HtheB | like today, I suddenly got 2 Play Store icons :/ | 09:48 |
| coderus | HtheB: thats not possible | 09:48 |
| HtheB | coderus: it is | 09:48 |
| HtheB | (I mean app icons in the app drawer) | 09:48 |
| HtheB | Try installing "Mobile Voip", you will end up having 2 icons :/ | 09:49 |
| coderus | :( | 09:50 |
| coderus | two main activities, probably | 09:51 |
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| rigo | HtheB, coderus: I installed apps and the icons do not appear | 11:00 |
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| HtheB | coderus: let me check the .desktop files | 11:08 |
| HtheB | rigo: I had the same problem when incorrectly installed the Google Play services | 11:09 |
| HtheB | have you tried to install Play services? | 11:09 |
| rigo | no, this started with the first android app (here app) | 11:10 |
| HtheB | apk or jolla store? | 11:10 |
| rigo | jolla store. I have no openrepos yet and certainly will try to do without android apps as far as I can | 11:11 |
| rigo | but did not realize the here app was android until it was too late | 11:11 |
| HtheB | lol | 11:11 |
| HtheB | Here is indeed Android | 11:12 |
| HtheB | you need the dalvik, thats probably the reason why you dont see it in the drawer | 11:12 |
| rigo | ha! I have android support installed. Does this add dalvik as a dependency? If not why not :) | 11:13 |
| rigo | or is dalvik the android support package? | 11:13 |
| rigo | starting slowly to dig fom N9 into jollaC | 11:14 |
| Nicd- | android support is dalvik | 11:15 |
| Nicd- | or rather, includes dalvik | 11:15 |
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| temmi_hoo | HtheB: do you have anything to say on how to install google play services onto a jolla phone? | 11:24 |
| HtheB | temmi_hoo: which jolla | 11:24 |
| temmi_hoo | the jolla phone from few years back | 11:24 |
| temmi_hoo | not the latest gratest offering | 11:25 |
| HtheB | http://htheb.com/list/index.php?dir=jolla%2Fapps%2FPlayStoreforJolla%2FJolla%2F | 11:25 |
| temmi_hoo | the usb connection is necessary or can i just use ssh over wifi as per usual? | 11:26 |
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| temmi_hoo | thx anyway, i'll be looking at this later on today | 11:28 |
| temmi_hoo | just now googling resulted in a new thread on tjc (15hrs old) that i understandably could not find several weeks ago | 11:29 |
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| HtheB | temmi_hoo: ssh is fine | 11:43 |
| HtheB | the tutorial is made for n00bs | 11:43 |
| HtheB | if you prefer ssh, thats ok | 11:43 |
| temmi_hoo | i've loved ssh from when ssh1 was new and it basically allowed me to remotely log into real production servers over the interwebs tubes | 11:48 |
| temmi_hoo | before that it was already known that plaintext remote access is just not done outside "trusted local network" | 11:49 |
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| temmi_hoo | of course we now know there is no such a thing as a trusted network be it how local you wish | 12:47 |
| LarstiQ | temmi_hoo: user@localhost? ;) | 12:50 |
| temmi_hoo | read the paper on trusting trust - it's turtles all the way down | 12:51 |
| LarstiQ | temmi_hoo: ah but there is a defence against that | 12:51 |
| LarstiQ | temmi_hoo: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/01/countering_trus.html | 12:52 |
| temmi_hoo | so you need to draw a line somewhere while understanding that it's a compromise and basically all you can do is mitigate the worst case damage in a number of worst cases to something that is manageable | 12:52 |
| LarstiQ | (of course, then we have issues with hdd malware and such..) | 12:52 |
| temmi_hoo | managing the worst doesn't mean you can trust any part of anything | 12:52 |
| temmi_hoo | well | 12:53 |
| temmi_hoo | in practice you have to trust some things but what's really important is to keep in mind that the whole trust issue is artificial and anything you trust can be broken | 12:53 |
| LarstiQ | sure | 12:54 |
| temmi_hoo | so you need to have measures against those cases as well or at least your risk analysis has to include such unlikely things as cpu containing malware or foreign spies using your hosts to their own purposes and the like and contain some ideas on how to deal with the situation should the worst happen | 12:58 |
| temmi_hoo | cpus can contain malware as well | 12:58 |
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| pa | hi | 13:06 |
| pa | i was wondering: is jolla still going with qtmozembed or are you guys planning to switch to qtwebengine? | 13:06 |
| r0kk3rz | pa: i expect they would continue with qtmozembed | 13:09 |
| pa | r0kk3rz, is it mainly developed by jolla? qtmozembed i mean | 13:10 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik its _only_ developed by jolla | 13:11 |
| r0kk3rz | pa: any reason you ask? | 13:12 |
| pa | r0kk3rz, well i was wondering if it wouldn't be a viable alternative to qtwebengine | 13:13 |
| pa | and something that would deserve to be more community developed (especially firefox community) | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | pa: there was a mozilla guy who showed some interest... but he never got back to me | 13:14 |
| pa | r0kk3rz, qt doesn't care at all? | 13:14 |
| r0kk3rz | but yes, its an alternative to qtwebengine for sure | 13:14 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea about qt | 13:14 |
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| chriadam | see e.g. https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-components-webview | 13:38 |
| chriadam | qtwebengine integration is something that might happen in future depending on when we can update to the next LTS release of Qt after 5.6 (I suspect 5.9 will be another LTS but I may be wrong) | 13:40 |
| chriadam | but for now, we're going with qtmozembed. | 13:40 |
| dunp | http://hackaday.com/2016/08/15/turn-your-motorola-android-phone-into-a-raspberry-pi | 13:41 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | thanks chriadam for sailfish-components-webview :) | 15:58 |
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| Venemo | pa: I believe nobody's got time for switching | 16:13 |
| Venemo | at least that has been the excuse so far | 16:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | Venemo: that and qtwebengine is still experimental | 16:36 |
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| Venemo | r0kk3rz: IIRC there was a guy at jolla who created a blink-based browser, don't remember who it was but I remember Stskeeps telling me about it | 16:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | tworaz's quicksilver, yeah thats experimental as well :) | 16:37 |
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| Venemo | so we now have like 4-5 experimental browsers | 16:51 |
| Venemo | and a default browser which is equally as crap | 16:52 |
| locusf | tworaz made a chromium browser | 16:52 |
| locusf | ah so thats the engine | 16:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | on jollac sailfish-browser works great | 17:26 |
| Venemo | r0kk3rz: you mean the default? | 17:27 |
| Venemo | it is equally crappy as on jolla1, just the better hardware hides away some of the crappiness | 17:27 |
| taaem | locusf: i think he isn't with Jolla anymore | 17:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | Venemo: make something thats better then :P | 17:30 |
| Venemo | r0kk3rz: lol | 17:30 |
| taaem | sailfish-browser is open source so... | 17:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | taaem: and webpirate, and webcat | 17:36 |
| r0kk3rz | for me sailfish-browser is good enough that i cant be bothered making my own or improving one of those | 17:36 |
| taaem | r0kk3rz: same goes for me | 17:37 |
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| Venemo | sailfish-browser is slow as hell | 17:44 |
| taaem | gecko and not chromium | 17:44 |
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| locusf | hmm | 17:51 |
| locusf | wonder if the rust engine would be portable | 17:51 |
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| temmi_hoo | making own browser is always of course the best answer to a browser being slow or bad | 18:16 |
| temmi_hoo | as opposed to patching the slow bad one to be good and fast | 18:16 |
| phlixi | not sure i agree with that | 18:17 |
| phlixi | builing a browser binds huge amounts of resources | 18:18 |
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| temmi_hoo | hey it's the linux way to fork projects like slicing bread so that everybody has their own personal project | 18:21 |
| temmi_hoo | just like when ifconfig is bad and crufty it's better to invent /sbin/ip instead of fixing ifconfig | 18:22 |
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| phlixi | plus, making your own browser, doesnt make it any better than existing engines | 18:30 |
| phlixi | you can aim for beeing better, but look at the budged of firefox... | 18:31 |
| phlixi | chromes and trinity is probably even a lot huigher, but i dont know if there are figures | 18:31 |
| phlixi | trident* | 18:32 |
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| temmi_hoo | :) | 18:39 |
| temmi_hoo | naturally i'm joking at the expense of everybody who forks a browser project instead of providing patches or pull requests to an existing project | 18:40 |
| temmi_hoo | for some decades now i've been astounded at the tendency of gnu fan people to either fork projects or start new projects instead of joining an existing one | 18:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | temmi_hoo: because the gnu fan is an antisocial nerd who doesnt want to bother people | 18:48 |
| temmi_hoo | possibly | 18:49 |
| temmi_hoo | "i'd rather install xdm instead of gdm - NATURALLY i'll fork the distribution instead of just installing the existing one like i wish" | 18:50 |
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| christoph_debian | android seems to be the only way to get a reasonable browser | 18:54 |
| christoph_debian | at leaswt android firefox is OK | 18:55 |
| christoph_debian | and has a still supported gecko | 18:55 |
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| temmi_hoo | i'm not sure android is reasonable in any way | 19:03 |
| christoph_debian | what's the alternative? | 19:05 |
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| evenfall | christoph_debian: amish | 19:09 |
| r0kk3rz | christoph_debian: gecko on sailfish is getting updated | 19:11 |
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| pa | r0kk3rz, btw now there's http://blog.qt.io/blog/2016/07/18/qt-webbrowser-1-0/ apparently | 21:20 |
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| pa | but i'm not sure how good that would be for a phone | 21:20 |
| pa | but ideally it would be cool to have a minimal browser with a decent ad blocker, a decent privacy-badger sort-of, and bookmark/pwd syncing possibly to an open source server :-) | 21:21 |
| pa | ah yeah, and session management too, but that's lo prio | 21:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | a minimal browser with loads of features :) | 21:25 |
| pa | well, 3 features :-) | 21:32 |
| pa | i mean i avoid chromium generally because to sync bookmarks and stuff i have to use google account, which sucks | 21:32 |
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| pa | but i'd like to use an open source chromium-based browser that syncs my passwords and bookmarks to say mozilla server, or even better to a self hosted server | 21:33 |
| pa | like mozilla used to be before they changed their sync | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds a bit like vivaldi to me | 21:34 |
| pa | i think vivaldi had some implication like data collection for making money | 21:34 |
| taaem | they're probably using their own servers for sync no? | 21:34 |
| pa | i read an interview to one of the creators some time ago | 21:34 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but at least its someone else rather than giving google more stuff | 21:35 |
| r0kk3rz | they already know too much | 21:35 |
| pa | i agree | 21:37 |
| pa | that's why i say that with a little effort the qt opensource chromium based browser could be something usable even on desktop | 21:38 |
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| pa | after all, who needs a mail client or an rss reader in the browser, like vivaldi does | 21:38 |
| r0kk3rz | people are starting to crank out browsers with webengine | 21:39 |
| pa | indeed | 21:40 |
| taaem | we don't have webengine on sailfish currently | 21:40 |
| pa | it would be good to have one reference browser instead of a zillion | 21:41 |
| pa | one that people can trust | 21:41 |
| pa | and that is not too minimal, so that can't be used, but that is also not a monster | 21:41 |
| pa | like it doesnt have to have features that helps the creator to make money | 21:42 |
| pa | since it wouldn't be its point | 21:42 |
| pa | and if this browser would be usable on desktop, it would be a huge win for say jolla too, because then you would have the same on the phone, with sync and stuff | 21:43 |
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| taaem | is firefox sync open source? | 21:47 |
| r0kk3rz | taaem: not yet, but with qt5.6 we will | 21:49 |
| taaem | oh yeah true | 21:49 |
| taaem | firefox sync is https://github.com/mozilla/fxa-auth-server/wiki/onepw-protocol well complicated | 21:50 |
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