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| HtheB | Anyone from Jolla here atm? | 11:25 |
|---|---|---|
| Stskeeps | <tumbleweed> | 11:26 |
| * tbr whistles a western tune | 11:28 | |
| * urs plays the harmonica | 11:28 | |
| HtheB | Attention to Jolla: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=97232 | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | contact care, not irc | 11:29 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: Maybe someone can get in touch with the care directly (I don't want to get some "default reply" from the care...) | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | HtheB: it ends up with the same person anyway | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | care is the right way | 11:31 |
| HtheB | ok | 11:32 |
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| HtheB | care@jolla.com ? | 11:33 |
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| tbr | that email is long defunct IIRC | 11:33 |
| tbr | there's this web thing | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | jolla.zendesk.com something | 11:33 |
| LarstiQ | jolla.com > Support > Help Center > Submit a request gives https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | LarstiQ: that path reminds me a bit of a part of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.. the leopard one | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:34 |
| FireFly | I don't remember that part | 11:35 |
| LarstiQ | Stskeeps: alternatively, mail care@ ;P | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | LarstiQ: i thought that one was rather /dev/null :P | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | “But the plans were on display…” | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.” | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | “That’s the display department.” | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | “With a flashlight.” | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.” | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | “So had the stairs.” | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | “But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?” | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.” | 11:36 |
| LarstiQ | Stskeeps: hmm, it at least partially works. | 11:36 |
| * LarstiQ would like to hear from anyone with recent experience if it doesn't | 11:37 | |
| Stskeeps | ah, used to be an autoresponder i think | 11:37 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: oh, that | 11:37 |
| FireFly | Hehe | 11:37 |
| LarstiQ | Stskeeps: during the summer while we were at 0.3 resources or so there was a "try again after vacation, or if urgent reopen" | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | LarstiQ: hmm, ok, there was one before that, but then again, i never had use for care :p | 11:38 |
| LarstiQ | Stskeeps: what, you don't want to know when you'll get your refund? :P | 11:39 |
| HtheB | ok sending it now | 11:39 |
| HtheB | ugh :( | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | LarstiQ: i never actually bought a jolla tablet.. it's a bit like raising a troublesome child, you never want to see it after it turns 18 | 11:39 |
| HtheB | offtopic: anyone played No Mans Sky? | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:39 |
| sharpneli | No Mans Buy | 11:39 |
| HtheB | sharpneli: pirate it :P | 11:40 |
| sharpneli | Naah. If it's worth to try it's worth to buy. | 11:40 |
| HtheB | I'm about to find out if it's worth it | 11:41 |
| r0kk3rz | a universe filled with mostly similar planets! whats not to like | 11:41 |
| sharpneli | Steam has 2h refund period. Haven't bothered as the reviews have been so scathing | 11:41 |
| HtheB | sharpneli: check pm | 11:42 |
| sharpneli | I haven't pirated since I graduated. 2h is enough after few patches to see if they manage to make it playable. | 11:42 |
| HtheB | [13:42] <sharpneli> I haven't pirated since I graduated. << was that last week? :P | 11:43 |
| Nicd- | as a software developer, please don't pirate :/ | 11:43 |
| HtheB | harr har | 11:44 |
| sharpneli | It's fine for people without money to pirate. It keeps them engaged and likely to keep on consuming when their financials improve. | 11:44 |
| HtheB | Nicd-: some software just begs to be pirated | 11:44 |
| sharpneli | Especially teenagers. | 11:44 |
| Nicd- | sharpneli: it's not like access to software and entertainment is a human right | 11:45 |
| HtheB | sharpneli: +1 | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: don't think i would have had my career given my family's financials if i didn't have 1) pirated software and 2) libraries for books | 11:45 |
| sharpneli | Nicd-: Sure. But if you think about consumption habits of a person who has gamed as teenager vs one that has not | 11:45 |
| HtheB | Nicd-: Don't worry, if it's worth it, I enventually buy it | 11:45 |
| sharpneli | Nicd-: Which one you think would be a better customer for you when they grow up? | 11:45 |
| sharpneli | It's already certain that as a teenagers they will not be customers. | 11:46 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Same here. | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | HtheB: sure you will, just like I have bought all the songs I pirated years ago. suuuuure | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: and 3) free university education | 11:46 |
| HtheB | Nicd-: I have spotify | 11:46 |
| sharpneli | I have 669 games on steam and few hundred on GoG. | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | HtheB: that wasn't the point | 11:46 |
| sharpneli | So yeah I kinda have bought about all the games I have pirated when I was a kid | 11:46 |
| sharpneli | Next. | 11:46 |
| HtheB | Nicd-: I even buy my Roms that I've used on emulators | 11:47 |
| HtheB | check it out: http://www.htheb.com/list/index.php?dir=images%2Fcollection%2Fnew%2F | 11:47 |
| sharpneli | There is a reason why Adobe keeps their copy protection kinda lax and almost gives the stuff for free for schools | 11:48 |
| entil | http://global3.memecdn.com/fag-buys-music_o_1247541.jpg | 11:48 |
| sharpneli | When a kid that knows photoshop enters workforce what program he/she want's the employer to purchase for them | 11:48 |
| HtheB | entil: lol | 11:49 |
| * entil buys music all the time, including everything I pirated that I listened to | 11:49 | |
| HtheB | entil: buy my music will ya? | 11:49 |
| HtheB | :P | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | sharpneli: so by extension all software devs must have the same kind of financial security that allows them to do that :P | 11:49 |
| entil | HtheB: if you have something nice in your record collection or from the band you play in I can consider it ;P | 11:49 |
| sharpneli | It's kinda shame. If I had lived as the rights holders want I'd be a boring adult who would not play games nor listen to music. They just don't want my money | 11:49 |
| sharpneli | Nicd-: So you manage to prevent the teenager from pirating. How does that make you money? | 11:50 |
| sharpneli | Nicd-: Remember that teenagers do not have money. | 11:50 |
| HtheB | entil: well, it's not a band :P | 11:50 |
| sharpneli | Nicd-: That market is already out from your grasp. | 11:50 |
| entil | it's a bit of a two-edged sword, because people do choose their hobbies based on financial situations if they're into, I dunno, ice hockey or whatever | 11:50 |
| HtheB | just look for HtheB in play store, appstore, amazon, spotify or whatever you use to get your music :P | 11:50 |
| Nicd- | sharpneli: as if they are the only people that pirate | 11:51 |
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| tadzik | tfw when I don't use any of these :o | 11:51 |
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| entil | immaterial stuff's just easier to pirate, but on the other hand, the losses to the producer are smaller than if you just stole your ice hockey stick | 11:51 |
| sharpneli | Nicd-: They are the vast majority. Another market is the developing countries where yet again there is no money. | 11:51 |
| entil | but people can get into music or games through libraries and buy them later or decide to put their money elsewhere and keep on using libraries and such, it's just that the library feels like an outdated concept now | 11:52 |
| sharpneli | Sure it's useful to keep piracy down. However it must never interfere with the legit customer. | 11:52 |
| entil | the fact companies distribute their stuff left and right for nearly free means they don't really care about sales income | 11:52 |
| sharpneli | Because when the pirated version works better than the legit there is only one to blame. For now Steam works better than piracy. | 11:52 |
| entil | like, they make enough to not be severely worried | 11:52 |
| sharpneli | And Spotify works better than napster ever did | 11:52 |
| entil | spotify sounds marginally better | 11:53 |
| M-schmittlauch | I refuse to pay for things with DRM. Both proprietary software and content. | 11:54 |
| entil | stuff-as-a-service is just horrible because whatever third party can shitlist you at will | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | sharpneli: but people still pirate stuff that is very easy to obtain and cheap. after seeing that I haven't believed in "well it's just a matter of access and price" that much anymore | 11:54 |
| entil | out of principle every steam customer should crack the games as soon as possible but who has the time or skill | 11:55 |
| sharpneli | Nicd-: Sure. But do you get those to be your customers by making the life of legit customers harder? | 11:55 |
| sharpneli | Nicd-: Because the only thing that works (for short period) is monstrous DRM that makes legit customers suffer. And likely wait until it can be cracked. | 11:55 |
| Nicd- | sharpneli: I'm not talking about what the company should do, I'm talking about what the customer should do. which is to not pirate. as a software developer I feel for my colleagues who put in time and effort, make their software easy to buy and reasonably priced and still end up having it be pirated | 11:56 |
| M-schmittlauch | I'd love to pay for content I like, but I've found no way to legally buy e.g. Doctor Who. Yeah, you can buy it on iTunes or Amazon - but all you get is an encrypted pile which can only be played with their software. | 11:56 |
| sharpneli | Personally I want my stuff to be pirated by teens | 11:56 |
| sharpneli | Because I want them to be customers when they grow up | 11:56 |
| Nicd- | it's not like the actions of a company make it justified to pirate stuff. maybe you can tell yourself that but access to it is not your right | 11:57 |
| entil | I want my stuff to be opensource because I enjoy people whining for free stuff | 11:57 |
| entil | and working for free | 11:57 |
| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: on the flip side, nobody is required to buy your product, and a pirated copy is not equal to a lost sale | 11:57 |
| M-schmittlauch | sharpneli: I'd want to make my stuff available in a way that it doesn't need to be pirated. This makes earning money a bit harder but hey, let me dream. | 11:58 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: not directly, but indirectly. that customer no longer has any incentive to buy your product, especially if there was no DRM so they can update easily | 11:58 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: and not saying it's 1:1 but it's not 0 either | 11:58 |
| r0kk3rz | id say its fairly close to zero. people just dont want to have to pay for stuff like software | 11:59 |
| sharpneli | For commercial stuff I prefer the current way by so many companies. Teens can get the stuff from piratebay or whatnot and others buy it. Naturally no customersupport etc | 11:59 |
| M-schmittlauch | Nicd, r0kk3rz: It depends on how many alternatives are there. And there piracy may even hinder development of good alternatives as people rather pirate the stuff instead of developing a (maybe free software) alternative or using and improving it. That's why Richard Stallman is against pirating proprietary software. | 12:00 |
| entil | there's $5 video editor software for windows that ships features not available on linux, the incentive for doing the hard stuff just isn't there | 12:02 |
| entil | (if anyone knows a UI for rotating and cropping a video stream, let me know :P) | 12:03 |
| entil | (winff does not count) | 12:03 |
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| M-schmittlauch | Does anyone here know what `android.process.acore` is good for? It's draining my battery. | 12:57 |
| M-schmittlauch | Posted a long message: http://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/pKaGgNqwolwwGwPmTzOJIoKW - 2016-08-15_13:01:44.txt | 13:01 |
| M-schmittlauch | It's stuck there, nevertheless it takes 57% CPU | 13:02 |
| r0kk3rz | M-schmittlauch: what android apps do you have installed? | 13:02 |
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| M-schmittlauch | r0kk3rz: Well, a lot. Currently LibreSignal and OSMand~ are running | 13:06 |
| M-schmittlauch | just killing the process didn't affect the apps. But I think the process is a core part of AlienDalvik | 13:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | some threads about it are talking about problems with contacts sync | 13:07 |
| M-schmittlauch | r0kk3rzYo mean contact sync from nemo to android? | 13:09 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 13:09 |
| r0kk3rz | i mean android contact sync | 13:09 |
| M-schmittlauch | r0kk3rz: I don't think I'm using that. I sync my contacts via CardDAV, but that's not Android | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | do you have google play services installed? | 13:12 |
| M-schmittlauch | nope | 13:18 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: I got a reply from care: | 14:10 |
| HtheB | Sorry to learn of this. | 14:11 |
| HtheB | According to our records VAT was paid. | 14:11 |
| HtheB | And, as this was a DDP = delivery duty paid shipment, which was clearly printed on the customs invoice, this request from them is simply wrong. | 14:11 |
| HtheB | We kindly advise that you advise them of the above, i.e., that it is a DDP shipment. Furthermore, they should contact the sender for any missing/additional cost issues. | 14:11 |
| HtheB | Sorry for the hassle. And, should you still require assistance in the matter, you may reopen the case by replying to this message. | 14:11 |
| HtheB | Sincerely, | 14:11 |
| HtheB | Jolla Customer Care | 14:11 |
| LarstiQ | HtheB: back to TNT then | 14:12 |
| HtheB | ugh | 14:13 |
| * HtheB calls TNT again before they close | 14:13 | |
| r0kk3rz | HtheB: this happened to lots of people... | 14:15 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: sorry... Mother fuckers | 14:16 |
| HtheB | they try to get cash from people | 14:16 |
| HtheB | im sure some of them might actually pay :/ | 14:16 |
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| HtheB | Jolla should sent out emails to every person who got the Jolla C from them | 14:17 |
| HtheB | telling that they should NOT pay for these mofos | 14:17 |
| HtheB | and IF they already paid, that they should ask it back | 14:17 |
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| HtheB | This is why I pirate Nicd-: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvAwB7ogkik | 15:25 |
| Jope | :-D | 15:27 |
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| Nicd- | HtheB: though funny, that's a pretty crappy excuse. you could wait a couple of days for reviews, but that would actually make sense | 15:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | ermagerd massive universe sized game made by indie developer has some quirks? | 15:50 |
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| HtheB | Nicd-: There are still no reliable reviews out there... | 17:11 |
| HtheB | But I've tried it out, and it's indeed a bit crap (: | 17:12 |
| HtheB | :( * | 17:12 |
| HtheB | it's worth something, but not worth €60, | 17:12 |
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