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Milo-Just received a scam SMS saying something about winning 2 million dollars. The interesting thing about this message is that it never appeared in the "Messages" app.07:58
Milo-was only able to see it briefly in its notification popup, but it's not in the notifications feed or messages app.07:59
Milo-fun stuff :)07:59
tbrmight have been Type 008:00
Milo-definitely seems that way08:01
Milo-sailfish honours that? -_-08:02
mal-I also got a similar spam a while ago, it seemed to appear in a similar way as replies to USSD codes08:02
tbrit's in the GSM spec08:02
Milo-but who is forcing its implementation?08:03
Milo-it's just a flag in the xml header08:03
tbrXML? lol08:04
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ballockMilo-: you sound like you really want the 2 million-dollar spam message in the Messages app? Well, I wouldn't mind a $2bn either ;)08:05
tbrif you don't comply with GSMA requirements you might find that no operator will allow your device on their network08:05
Milo-ballock no, I don't :p08:05
Milo-tbr at least at some point you you threw some xml format to the service provider08:06
Milo-could have been just certain service provider's API though08:06
tbrwhile XML is very enterprisey, it is not used in the short message service08:06
Milo-it was a while ago :)08:06
tbrit is a rather terse binary protocol08:06
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tbrit's from a time where 4k8 baud was considered luxury08:07
Milo-none the less :)08:07
Milo-I was surprised to see a full screen message with full screen of text08:07
Milo-while I was only able to pick few words of it.08:07
Milo-Knew those things existed, in theory. hadn't actually witnessed a working implementation for them yet08:08
phlixi_i remember a girlfriend used to send me such "flash sms" (i think thats how those are called) via some web portal08:10
phlixi_maybe 15 years ago :D08:10
HelleReminds me, I wish it took two actions to hang up on dialing 112, because while it tells you "Don't hang up, unless the operator tells you to" it doesn't actually make it harder, I guess for pocket dialing it could make it harder to hang up after the initial 2 seconds08:29
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sakustarcant you just turn off the screen if you dont want to accidentally hang up?09:22
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Timbo_Hi! I'm trying to use recovery on Jolla phone which is stuck to Jolla logo at startup. Recovery says: segmentation fault.. Can it be fixed or is it dead09:55
Timbo_stuck on mounting mmcblk0p2809:57
coderusTimbo_: coderus.openrepos.net/jollarecovery/README.html coderus.openrepos.net/jollarecovery/jolla-factory.tar.xz09:58
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Timbo_coderus, thanks. will try now10:00
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rubdosI'm getting10:14
rubdos(jolla-mediaplayer:14343): Tracker-CRITICAL **: tracker_sparql_cursor_real_get_integer: assertion '_tmp1_ == TRACKER_SPARQL_VALUE_TYPE_INTEGER' failed10:14
rubdoswhen opening my mediaplayer10:14
rubdos90% of my songs are missing :(10:14
rubdosSomething wrong with parsing metadata?10:14
rubdos(I'm getting hundreds of that message by the way)10:15
r0kk3rznice10:15
r0kk3rzreindexing might help10:15
rubdosI just did a reindex, still having that message10:15
rubdosThe songs are not really missing, but the metadata isn't parsed, so they don't appear under Artists nor Albums, and have 0:00 length10:16
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rubdosI'll let it finish its reindex now...10:16
r0kk3rzoh, its not finished?10:17
coderusthere is a huge delay before media db reindex finishing10:19
rubdosnow its finished :)10:19
rubdos2779 songs10:19
rubdos81 albums10:19
rubdosthats ~34 songs an album, which makes cd's of DVD capacity :)10:20
rubdosthe non-indexed songs are played allright, although the metadata is not in the db.10:20
r0kk3rzgive it time to finish parsing them all10:22
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rubdosr0kk3rz, it stopped parsing10:23
rubdosit added them to the db with unknown artist, unknown album10:24
rubdoshave had this issue for a long time, just cleaned up my db now :)10:24
rubdosHad it before with .flac's, I now converted my music collection to opus for on my SSD based systems and on my phone, and it gives that issue on jolla :(10:24
kimmoliMilo-: i won also 2million € too :) but this was regular sms10:25
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* tbr never wins 2M€ :-/10:28
r0kk3rzrubdos: you can query the SPARQL database to see what its scaping, as well as get tracker diagnostics about how its parsing those files10:29
r0kk3rzmaybe a plugin is missing, or you're using some unsupported combination10:29
rubdosr0kk3rz, any guidance how I find those things?10:29
rubdosEg, where are the files? :P10:29
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r0kk3rzrubdos: tracker-sparql command allows you to query the internal database10:31
rubdosok10:32
r0kk3rztracker-extract also does a test run and prints to console10:34
rubdosI don't seem to have tracker-extract on my Jolla :O10:36
r0kk3rzive never used that one, so maybe its in a newer version than we have10:38
rubdosaha, it's in libexec :)10:40
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rubdos/usr/libexec/tracker-extract -v 3 -f [filename]10:45
rubdoswhere filename is a path to a file that's wrongly indexed10:45
rubdosgives correct results10:45
rubdos(it lists the right information wrt album/artist/song name)10:45
r0kk3rzthats a good start10:48
rubdos(on my laptop, tracker is v1.8, on jolla, it's 1.1.4... Perhaps someone should update a bit? :s)10:48
r0kk3rzquery the database for that file and see what you get10:48
r0kk3rzexample query http://sailfishwayfarer.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/qt5sparql-and-tracker.html10:49
rubdosCannot find the file I could index with tracker-extract10:51
rubdosCan find the files that are already in the database and those I can see in mediaplayer10:51
rubdos(eg, '^11 A' should give 11 Amour -- Rammstein, but it doesn't, and '^01 A' gives All I Need -- Within Temptation, as it should)10:51
Timbo_coderus, lol. i have only 16gb sd card and file does not fit there. :D10:52
rubdosBit weird that the track number is in the title, but okay.10:52
r0kk3rzrubdos: query the url10:52
rubdosI don't think I get what you mean by url10:53
rubdosthe filepath?10:53
coderusTimbo_: you can do it via netcat10:53
r0kk3rzrubdos: yeah10:54
rubdosThe example query doesn't even to print a url :s10:55
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r0kk3rzso change it? :P10:55
rubdosExample line:   01 What Have You Done (feat. Keith Caputo) (single version), Within Temptation, 239, What Have You Done10:55
Timbo_coderus: how10:55
r0kk3rzi meant it as an example after all, its written in SPARQL language10:55
rubdosr0kk3rz, it should print a url, if you look at the query10:56
rubdos        ?song nie:url ?url . is in the where clause, so it should print it, right?10:56
r0kk3rzno10:56
rubdosoh no10:56
rubdosit's in the where clause10:56
r0kk3rzneeds to be in the select as well10:56
rubdosI'm sorry :(10:56
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rubdosr0kk3rz, querying on the ?url gives no results for the Rammstein song I tried to tracker-extract, but it does give results on Serj Tankian10:58
rubdosso I'd suppose tracker-extract didn't write it?10:58
rubdos(I can also see the Serj Tankian songs in jolla-mediaplayer)10:58
r0kk3rzrubdos: if the rammstein song is in the mediaplayer, it *must* be in the tracker db11:00
rubdosr0kk3rz, no11:00
rubdosit's not11:00
rubdosRammstein is a problematic one11:00
rubdosSerj is not a problematic one11:00
r0kk3rzim not talking about metadata11:00
rubdos(although I only have 3 Serj songs, there should be a lot more)11:00
rubdosOk, I get what you say11:01
rubdoslet me check11:01
r0kk3rzbut i guess its hard to find songs when they're all 'unknown' in the app11:01
rubdosyeh, and they are legion :/11:01
coderusTimbo_: like this: https://www.ndchost.com/wiki/server-administration/netcat-over-ssh11:01
rubdosr0kk3rz, I can see it under "All songs" in mediaplayer11:01
coderuslast paragraph about netcat11:01
rubdosand it plays11:01
r0kk3rzrubdos: you will need to get rid of a lot of the stuff in the where clause11:01
r0kk3rzbecause they're binding11:01
rubdosr0kk3rz,11:02
rubdos"SELECT11:02
rubdos?url11:02
rubdosWHERE {11:02
rubdos        ?song nie:url ?url .11:02
rubdos    FILTER regex(?url, '74225824-5c30-4f7a-a04b-5027cbf201d2/Music/Ramm', 'i')11:02
rubdos}"11:02
rubdosgives all Rammstein songs11:02
rubdosCan I somehow ask for all info on the lines, like SELECT * in SQL?11:03
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r0kk3rzrubdos: sorry i'm being an idiot, tracker-info should print everything about a file11:06
r0kk3rzits been a while since ive done this11:07
rubdosr0kk3rz, it prints no metadata for Rammstein, it does print metadata for Within Temptation11:08
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rubdosthey both have the same mime-type, according to tracker-info11:09
rubdoswhich is correct11:09
r0kk3rzyeah its looking like a tracker bug of some sort, take a copy of the tracker-extract output and the tracker-info output and stick it in a TJC11:09
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Timbo_coderus: noob here... :D11:18
rubdosr0kk3rz, https://together.jolla.com/question/137609/songs-are-treated-differently-some-are-not-found-some-are/11:29
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r0kk3rzrubdos: i saw rammstein live a few weeks ago, so much pyro :D11:33
rubdosr0kk3rz, they are awesome11:33
rubdosI've seen them in 2012 I think11:33
rubdosin Sportpaleis Antwerpen11:33
rubdosThat's soooo incredible  :P11:33
rubdosr0kk3rz, may I ask, where you've seen them?11:33
ursrubdos: ah, I reported something similar (about ogg files) about 2 years ago.11:33
r0kk3rzrubdos: saw them at download festival in the uk11:34
ursThey have acknowledged the bug, but it never got fixed (and I never quite figured out the systematics of when it happens)11:34
rubdosurs, EDIT: I have had this exact same issue (without the debugging information :( ) with flac files before. Some indexed, some didn't.11:34
rubdosSo I suppose we have the same11:34
rubdosbecause .ogg == .opus :)11:34
ursrubdos: there's the additional level of some songs that are playable in the media app, but not selectable as ringtones.11:34
rubdosit's the same container11:34
r0kk3rzurs: i think updating tracker is on the plan soon, they dont tend to debug when things are out of date11:35
rubdosr0kk3rz, nice. I have to do download fest some time. Or Paris, or UK... :)11:35
rubdosr0kk3rz, urs, Let's hope that I triggered the update of tracker :)11:35
ursthat'd be fantastic. :)11:35
rubdosSad thing is: I'm going on vacation soon, and I'd like to have my music for on the road... :)11:35
r0kk3rzrubdos: i think there are other players that use their own metadata engine11:36
r0kk3rzin mine i at least print the file name if the metadata isnt available11:37
rubdosr0kk3rz, I know... I'm thinking about running mpd on my Jolla.11:37
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r0kk3rzhttps://git.merproject.org/mer-core/tracker/merge_requests/2#note_589811:46
r0kk3rzsomething is going on anyway11:47
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rubdosI did tracker-control -k=all, tracker restarted, and now I have 66 artists... --"11:57
rubdosincluding 7 hours and 28 minutes of Rammstein11:57
rubdos...11:57
rubdos97 artists... 100... 256 albums, ...11:58
rubdosunbelievable11:58
rubdosjust killed tracker and it worked11:58
LarstiQrubdos: it's like xml11:58
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rubdosLarstiQ, how so?11:59
LarstiQrubdos: like xml, if violence doesn't solve your problem you just need to apply more of it11:59
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rubdoslol12:00
rubdosAnd now it's continuing to extract cover arts. Awesome.12:00
YanielYou wouldn't be the first to run mpd on their Jolla and use smpc to control it12:01
YanielHmm, I've had problems with cover art in flac and m4a12:01
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rubdosVery well, it works. Let me see whether it found everything though12:02
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YanielI recommend QuasarMX over the default player, way more features12:05
YanielSome of which I actually use rather frequently12:05
Yaniel(Sleep timers and play queue, most notably)12:05
r0kk3rzYaniel: sleep timers?12:07
rubdosYaniel, QuasarMX seems not to be free software though?12:08
YanielNo12:08
rubdos:(12:08
rubdosI am quite pleased with the default player though. Especially now I can have my whole library in opus. That's 2MB per song, better quality than 320kbit mp3 (12MB/song)12:09
YanielImpressive12:12
r0kk3rzmaybe i need to update my music collection12:14
YanielI suspect that by the next time I have a SailfishOS device as my daily driver, my music collection won't fit into a 64GB card as flac so I've been eyeing opus for that12:16
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rubdosYaniel, I've always used flac whenever I could. The Jolla DAC is nearly not good to notice any difference. And I didn't notice any difference on my laptop as well. Should test it on my better DACs though, some day.12:25
rubdosAnd now, I'm reimporting my collection with beets, updating album art. Then resync with Jolla, and I'm ready for vacation :D12:25
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sistuxHello! I would like use my Jolla per bluetooth with mediaplayer in my car. I could not see the id3 tags. Should I make some special setup?12:56
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Timbo_come on coderus, losing my mind here for not getting it right..13:03
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tbrsistux: that needs AVRCP, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't13:20
sistuxtbr: AVRCP? sorry for dummy, could it be installed on my phone or ?...13:23
Yanielis that the thing that the lockscreen mediaplayer controls use?13:23
tbrno, AVRCP is a bluetooth profile13:24
tbrhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bluetooth_profiles#Audio.2FVideo_Remote_Control_Profile_.28AVRCP.2913:25
tbrI'm not sure which one the Jolla implements, but it's easy for two devices to misunderstand each other and ending up in a lower functionality level13:26
tbrhttps://together.jolla.com/question/1983/supported-avrcp-versions-for-bluetooth-audio/?answer=18819#post-id-1881913:27
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tbrso the question is if the music player ever got the update to talk to bluez and do the 1.3 profile things13:29
lainwir3dnope13:30
lainwir3dI can confirm that the stock media player doesn't support it13:30
lainwir3dthe easiest way would be for bluez / a daemon to check via dbus / MPRIS13:31
lainwir3dbut afaik it doesn't do anything like that13:31
tbrso someone™ would need to dig in and see how to feed the necessary information to bluez13:34
sistuxthanks13:34
r0kk3rzafaik newer bluez supports MPRIS13:36
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Timbo_so i have to buy 32gb sd card then13:39
tbrr0kk3rz: 4.x series or 5.x?13:39
r0kk3rztbr: 4.x13:40
tbrinteresting13:40
tbrwonder if certification prevents SbJ from upgrading to a newer bluez. *poke* Stskeeps13:41
Stskeepstbr: 'probably'13:41
Stskeepsbut i think there's more to it13:41
tbrif yes, then community can just build their on bluez and say "don't care"13:41
tbrs/on/own13:41
Stskeepsnod13:41
Stskeepsbut i think dbus apis changed toos13:41
Stskeepsso it's not as easy :/13:41
tbr:-/13:41
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Stskeeps(damned closed source.)13:44
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Milo-kimmoli darn. seems like everyone is getting 2 million euros13:44
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kimmoliyep, it was in news too13:44
Stskeepsis this like finnish basic income13:45
Stskeeps?13:45
Stskeeps:P13:45
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kimmolievery june you get 2M13:45
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tbrI'd be driving *very* carefully in the year following the one where I'd won such a sum...13:49
tbr(fines are based on the preceding year's taxable income)13:49
kimmolijust keep <15km and it is 140€13:50
r0kk3rztbr: yes its funny when you see 400k€ fines coming from finland13:51
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abr0kk3rz: to get 400kEUR fine you need to earn substantially more. I think biggest fine here was something to the tune of 116K (Anssi Vanjoki, a godfather of OSSO/Maemo development)13:58
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kimmoliyeah. example: net income 2500€, you catch too small fish, you get ~300 eur fine14:03
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kimmolispeeding 30-50 km/h over, ~800 eur14:06
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Yanielwait what did I miss the start of some discussion14:26
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mal-eventhough they claim that those fines based are meant to affect as much for poor and rich people it's still very far from that, the rich still have much more money to spend and it doesn't affect their lives pretty much at all but for poor even the small fine can mean that you don't have enough money for food14:33
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abmal-: I think Vanjoki's case was dragging for few years where his lawyers tried to show that he didn't earn those millions as part of normal job but cashed out Nokia success.14:37
mal-ab: in the end he had to pay about 5900 euros14:38
abyep, his lawyers were successful to get 95% discount14:39
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mal-usually if you get some exceptional income during one year you don't have to pay according to that the next year14:40
mal-wondering what has been the highest actually paid fine14:40
kimmoliafaik it is by net income now?14:41
mal-yes14:43
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abI think we had two contenders: Jussi Salonoja who eventually paid a bit more than 100K EUR out of 170K EUR fine14:44
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aband Andres Wiklo:f who paid 95K EUR fine14:44
kimmolithere was someone with 54k which went "facebook"14:45
Accefacebook, the last frontier of lawless wild west14:46
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kimmolijust the real word for "viral"14:48
ab54K was relatively recently -- last year? But it is far from those two gentlemen14:50
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mal-it's quite messed up that the only way to get some companies to admit they were wrong is to make the situation public enough, most companies don't like bad publicity14:52
LarstiQmal-: wrong channel?14:52
LarstiQor I somehow missed the connection to traffic fines14:52
mal-LarstiQ: there was talk about fine things going viral so it was related to that, not very directly though14:53
LarstiQaah14:53
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kimmolibad publicity is still publicity14:54
kimmolisometimes it might even be profitable in longer run14:55
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sakustarkimmoli: btw minimum fine is 200 this year18:32
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sakustartried it by not knowing the speed limit of the road i live on :-)18:32
kimmolii just tested 140 fine with 95 on 80 limit, first for 10 years18:38
kimmolihmm... almost 20 years18:43
tbrhmm, I think the fine that I got was lower. Something like 60€ or such, but that was a few years ago.18:56
tbrwith my current ride, it's not that easy to get a speeding ticket ;)18:56
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pp_in the good old days if you were poor it was cheaper to speed a lot (fixed rate for fines)18:58
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Timbo_still having problems with understanding how that netcat works19:05
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coderusTimbo_: still? :)19:06
coderusyou sending file on pc to the port19:06
coderusand from device you getting that data directly to dd19:06
Timbo_i understand how it should work but how to make it happen.. :D19:07
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Timbo_coderus: which command i need to use..19:42
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coderusTimbo_: that link i gave to you contains exact commands20:19
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coderusand of course you should have netcat on your pc20:19
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Timbo_can you send that link again please.20:23
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coderushttps://www.ndchost.com/wiki/server-administration/netcat-over-ssh20:33
coderusyou can exclude bzip thing20:33
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Timbo_should that file be extracted or leave it be packed?20:45
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coderuswhat file?20:51
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coderusbtw, does it really not fits in 16gb card? it's only 14gb size.20:53
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sakustarkimmoli: oh might be different for residrential areas or near schools then21:23
sakustardid 50-something in a 40 zone21:23
sakustaron the very day they raised the minimum fines :D21:24
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Nicd-sakustar: why did you do it? too much in a hurry to think about safety?21:49
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