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| Stskeeps | rigo: how? store was open? | 09:52 |
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| rigo | I think even if jolla is not producing phones anymore, they could probably make a living out of selling sailfishOS devices | 09:52 |
| rigo | Stskeeps: got a very special email I had to follow up within seconds to get one | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 09:53 |
| pp_ | :) | 09:53 |
| rigo | it is not always all about money :) | 09:53 |
| rigo | you can buy an iPhone everywhere ... :-P | 09:53 |
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| Stskeeps | can somebody tell me some companies that have 'open core' business model and being succesful at it? | 09:54 |
| kimmoli | heh | 09:54 |
| rigo | ibm | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | okay, maybe i should have said startups.. | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, ibm and google naturally | 09:55 |
| rigo | you can do that only, if you're not selling tangible goods, but services | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 09:55 |
| rigo | having open core and selling things is suicide :) | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | qt is one example | 09:56 |
| rigo | UNLESS, you own the hardware platform #nokia | 09:56 |
| pp_ | some embedded stuff used to work like that IIRC | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | redhat, canonical | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | tesla (different kind of open) | 09:57 |
| rigo | pp_: this was the opera business model, but they only made money once they turned into an advertisement corp | 09:57 |
| pp_ | olimex? | 09:57 |
| rigo | is this olive oil? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | heh, no, they do ARM boards | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | beagleboard is also an example, open hw designs, get money from selling chips in larger amounts | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | strangely enough, microsoft... | 09:58 |
| rigo | and google, if you have an eco-system around that you want to fill and that generates money elsewhere | 09:59 |
| pp_ | olimex probably has such low volume & internal manufacturing costs that china isn't really competitive | 09:59 |
| rigo | pp_: depends on what you want to do. People don't trust hardware manufactured in certain regions anymore | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | pp_: that and its beneficial to have "the brand", like having a Raspberry Pi rather than a clone board | 10:00 |
| pp_ | they're in bulgaria, which is probably good enough | 10:00 |
| r0kk3rz | or an arduino rather than a clone | 10:00 |
| * rigo searches for olimex | 10:00 | |
| rigo | r0kk3rz: note that this is all backend. You need some trusted frontend to communicate in a networked environment. | 10:01 |
| rigo | I know this is not real security, but rather psychology | 10:02 |
| rigo | but there could be a niche | 10:02 |
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| rigo | oh, so ARM makes the money by licensing the chips to olimex | 10:03 |
| r0kk3rz | rigo: the lines betweeen frontend and backend are blurring with new technologies | 10:03 |
| rigo | r0kk3rz: you're telling that to whom? :-)) | 10:04 |
| r0kk3rz | just saying that worrying about 'trusted frontends' is old thinking | 10:04 |
| rigo | r0kk3rz: that was my assessment of the situation (together with Stephen and Hannes) https://www.w3.org/2014/strint/ | 10:05 |
| rigo | r0kk3rz: the problem is, it is NOT | 10:05 |
| rigo | but people will realise in 4 years | 10:06 |
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| entil | the turing phone is old news? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOsVRaknUwY | 12:20 |
| entil | love the fact they didn't change the ui | 12:20 |
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| pp_ | I love the fact at least one phone exists :-) | 12:23 |
| Yaniel | turing phone has been hyped since fall iirc | 12:24 |
| Yaniel | well, turing phone with sailfishos anyway | 12:24 |
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| entil | pre-order period has ended, the page says "Turing Æmæth UI", I haven't received updates though I signed up for them | 12:25 |
| entil | doesn't really say what it costs | 12:25 |
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| entil | so I'm ok with the fairphone2, it may not be as unbreakable but at least you can get it within a week for a known price and it has affordable spare parts and promised upgrades too ;) | 12:25 |
| phlixi_o | i would not be surprised, if the fp2 would be actually more sturdy than the turing phone | 12:27 |
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| pp_ | lol: https://www.facebook.com/turingroboticindustries/posts/10154275365016639 | 12:27 |
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| phlixi_o | Do you mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc1Qq5LZPCw ? | 12:31 |
| kimmoli | at least the prototype is real, running sfos. i have used it with my little-fingers. | 12:32 |
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| Yaniel | that | 12:33 |
| Yaniel | well that's something | 12:33 |
| pp_ | yup | 12:34 |
| Tofe | I hope the one they crushed in the video wasn't the only prototype built :) | 12:35 |
| kimmoli | it was on same day that yt video is uploaded :) | 12:36 |
| Tofe | kimmoli: ... and you have an excavator driving license, but it's just a coincidence, eh :) | 12:37 |
| kimmoli | i have access to an excavator | 12:38 |
| phlixi_o | are those delivered now? | 12:38 |
| phlixi_o | Turing Robotic Industries Yi-Rong Du You'll be receiving your Turing Phone before the end of June. Please stay tuned for more details and information coming soon here on our Facebook page. | 12:38 |
| Tofe | it's only 27th, there's plenty of time left | 12:39 |
| pp_ | you'll never get it on time if they used the finnish post office | 12:40 |
| phlixi_o | now i see, no year stated... | 12:41 |
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| ramsesHD- | Is the FP with Sailfish OS out already? | 21:47 |
| r0kk3rz | ramsesHD-: you have to make your own | 21:49 |
| ramsesHD- | r0kk3rz: I thought they would sell it with Sailfish preinstalled as well. That was the plan AFAIK. | 21:51 |
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| phlixi | the only thing they did was, not to deny that this will happen some time | 21:52 |
| phlixi | as with a lot in the sailfish universe, unfortunatly... | 21:52 |
| ramsesHD | great. | 21:52 |
| ramsesHD | This is such a great mobile phone OS. It could be a real challenge to Android and iOS. But not this way. :-( | 21:53 |
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| phlixi | and i understand that, they (fairphone as well as jolla) both have very very limited resources... | 21:55 |
| phlixi | and yes, i also would like to see more devices beeing shipped with sfos | 21:56 |
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| mal- | ramsesHD: the community port is quite good, although I might be slightly biased because I made it :) | 22:01 |
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| ramsesHD | mal-: :-) btw, what is the current version of sfos? | 22:03 |
| phlixi | how is apk support doing on fp? | 22:03 |
| mal- | the latest public release is 2.0.0.10 but I have a testing version of 2.0.1.11 quite ready, just going to do some small changes due to some small issues I noticed | 22:04 |
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| mal- | phlixi: not yet, there is work being done to port sfdroid to fp2 sailfish | 22:05 |
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| phlixi | great to hear, this will eliminate one of the major drawbacks of not beeing an official build (imho) | 22:06 |
| ramsesHD | mal-: on my Jolla, I already have 2.0.1.11. | 22:08 |
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| mal- | I just released 2.0.1.11 to my other 9 sailfish ports on sunday | 22:09 |
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| mal- | and next will be fp2, hopefully soon, I was quite satisfied already with the fp2 build but then noticed those small issues and then encountered some other problems which caused some delay | 22:11 |
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