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| sledges | good morning! https://together.jolla.com/question/136373/official-annoucement-starting-community-translation-round-for-then-next-sailfish-os-update/ | 05:52 |
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| stephg | oo | 06:12 |
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| Skooz | New batch of Jolla Cs out today :D | 07:16 |
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| phlixi_ | !seen pdanek | 07:30 |
| merbot | phlixi_: pdanek was last seen in #jollamobile 2 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <pdanek> Or large 100-man dev team? | 07:30 |
| phlixi_ | i guess he will miss this batch as ell :D | 07:31 |
| phlixi_ | well* | 07:31 |
| r0kk3rz | new JC batch? | 07:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | yaay new JC batch! | 07:37 |
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| speactra | seems to be only a few hundred so be quick :) | 07:47 |
| citylight2 | did anyone know when the jolla c be shipped? | 07:47 |
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| Hartzi | july | 07:48 |
| speactra | citylight2: first batch sometime in july | 07:48 |
| citylight2 | and the current sale at 1pm? | 07:49 |
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| phlixi_ | r0kk3rz it was announced on the mailing list | 07:52 |
| tadzik | wait where | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2016-June/007188.html | 07:53 |
| tadzik | The Program is currently sold out. | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | read the mail | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:53 |
| tadzik | ach | 07:53 |
| tadzik | I'll schedule a break in the class then at that time... | 07:54 |
| phlixi_ | tadzik in 126 minutes | 07:54 |
| phlixi_ | :) | 07:54 |
| tadzik | phlixi_: Thanks :) Relative time is so much better than dealing with timezones | 07:56 |
| phlixi_ | actually, if the timespan is larger, i usually hate it | 07:56 |
| phlixi_ | like twitter (or whatever) "this post is 4 months old" | 07:56 |
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| phlixi_ | "posted 2 years ago" .... you no longer see whether the other "2 years old" post was within a short timeframe (e. g. same day) | 07:57 |
| phlixi_ | absolute works much better^^ | 07:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | citylight2: some lucky folk get their Jolla Cs next weekend in Helsinki | 08:03 |
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| Armadillo | I really need my Jolla C fast, my Jolla 1's battery drains faster each day... | 08:05 |
| r0kk3rz | my jphone was acting strange last night after getting drenched at Download festival... | 08:06 |
| stephg | r0kk3rz: I tripped the moisture sensor on my first one but it carried on fine since | 08:06 |
| stephg | (riding home on a particularly epicly wet evening) | 08:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | stephg: yeah it seems ok now, and i dont think it got *that* wet | 08:08 |
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| the_mgt | what is a Jolla C? | 08:09 |
| r0kk3rz | new phone :) | 08:09 |
| phlixi_ | the_mgt: http://jolla.com/jollac | 08:09 |
| cehteh | unobtanium :D | 08:11 |
| the_mgt | I see | 08:11 |
| cehteh | is that a jolla branded intex, or did they really design a complete phone for just 1000 pcs? | 08:12 |
| the_mgt | bit of an asshole move not to ask anyone who failed to get a tablet if they were interested. communication is still not a skill over there | 08:12 |
| M-Yaniel | it's the intex aqua fish | 08:12 |
| M-Yaniel | just without the intex branding | 08:12 |
| tadzik | how much was that again, 179€? | 08:12 |
| cehteh | ah ok then it makes sense | 08:13 |
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| stephg | (and without support) | 08:13 |
| cehteh | well, no mag, no gyro .. and some other things are mission | 08:13 |
| cehteh | missing | 08:13 |
| cehteh | but its cheap | 08:13 |
| LarstiQ | the_mgt: different audience | 08:13 |
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| phlixi_ | specs are saying nothing about gorilla glass or similar, so i asume it gets cheap easy scratchable surface, i think its the biggest downside, but hey, 130 eur :D | 08:14 |
| LarstiQ | phlixi_: plus tax and such | 08:15 |
| phlixi_ | true | 08:15 |
| phlixi_ | i guess you have to make such things in order to sell cheap enough on indian market | 08:16 |
| urs | also, no tohkbd for it, so useless phone. | 08:16 |
| phlixi_ | i think thats debateable | 08:17 |
| stephg | it has 2GB ram, that makes it a plenty useful phone for me :P | 08:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | stephg: more pixels! more Ramz! should be awesome, if ultimately a cheap device | 08:28 |
| r0kk3rz | no btrfs \o/, stick a swap file on the emmc and never OOM ever again! | 08:29 |
| stephg | r0kk3rz: hehehe | 08:30 |
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| gabriel9 | Why can't i order in Germany | 10:00 |
| gabriel9 | ? | 10:00 |
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| citylight2 | YES | 10:02 |
| r0kk3rz | gabriel9: theres a location selector hiding down the bottom of the page | 10:02 |
| gabriel9 | ok | 10:05 |
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| rigo | OK, paypal did not work and now it is already out of stock. I think I missed it | 10:16 |
| rigo | :(( | 10:16 |
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| phlixi_o | Availability: Out of stock | 10:18 |
| phlixi_o | wow | 10:18 |
| phlixi_o | 10 minutes? | 10:18 |
| phlixi_o | :D | 10:18 |
| phlixi_o | i think jolla should really do this and say "limited to few hundreds" and then just tell intex how many orders they got.... | 10:19 |
| Hartzi | "well, that escalated quickly" | 10:19 |
| phlixi_o | actually i thought they did this with this seconds batch | 10:19 |
| phlixi_o | (well, maybe) | 10:19 |
| phlixi_o | obviously they didnt, if sold out after 10 minutes^^ | 10:19 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi_o: i wonder whether its not the number of phones thats the problem, its the 'community program' that goes along with it | 10:20 |
| phlixi_o | i have no prove, but i am convinced this soly for not having warranty etc... a trick to give us the chance to buy it | 10:21 |
| r0kk3rz | for sure its a legal hack, but they still need to follow through with the program | 10:22 |
| * lbt has no comment :) | 10:24 | |
| lbt | rigo has gone ... hmm | 10:25 |
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| Skooz | 'One simple trick they don't tell you that lets you sell tgousands of phones on a promise without a warranty or guaranree' | 10:26 |
| Skooz | Also works for tablets? :( | 10:27 |
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| phlixi_o | they should do, but: "Availability: Out of stock" | 10:35 |
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| till | too bad my jolla still works perfectly :( | 10:42 |
| jaywalk | Skooz: I dont understand, the tablet has its full warranty? | 10:42 |
| Skooz | yea, was an afterthought to my previous comment. It doesn't really work. | 10:43 |
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| phlixi_o | jaywalk: of course | 10:47 |
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| tadzik | till: that's what I thought last time Jolla C's were available, a week later my btrfs shat itself :P | 11:17 |
| tadzik | it was fixable, but hell it was annoying | 11:17 |
| tadzik | I missed the window today though anyway | 11:17 |
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| lainwir3d | batch ? | 11:29 |
| lainwir3d | batch of what ? | 11:29 |
| TMavica | How many pcs Jolla C this time? | 11:29 |
| TMavica | Seem faster than 1st branch | 11:29 |
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| rigo | was anyone able to get a community phone? | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | supposedly it was gone within 10-15 minutes | 11:56 |
| rigo | :(( | 11:56 |
| rigo | but jolla claims there is no business in selling hardware .... =:-o | 11:56 |
| lbt | it's a matter of scale | 11:57 |
| lbt | nb ... keep en eye on the store - a few may come back into stock as messed up orders are cancelled | 11:57 |
| rigo | lbt: IMHO it is not a matter of scale, but a matter of good commercial calculation | 11:58 |
| rigo | if jolla can buy some hardware for x, put sailfish on it and sell it for x+y there is no question of scale | 12:00 |
| * lbt slaps his forhead ... I *knew* there was something we were doing wrong :D | 12:00 | |
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| M-Yaniel | I suppose Jolla's upper management (and investors?) had other plans... | 12:01 |
| M-Yaniel | let's see how the russian partnership turns out | 12:01 |
| rigo | because for every n, y is supposed to cover the cost of putting sailfish plus some benefit for the company | 12:01 |
| entil | y is an aggregate of many variable things, you know? | 12:02 |
| entil | and x isn't really that constant either | 12:03 |
| rigo | then make an attempt to sell and if it is gone in 15 minutes, order more phones | 12:03 |
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| rigo | entil: y is supposed to be calculated to cover the variation | 12:05 |
| rigo | that may lead to an intex phone with jolla for 200€, but then see if this can be sold | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | or alternatively, put 1000 phones on the market and make people bid for them | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:06 |
| rigo | if the thing is gone in 15min, make it 220€ and continue | 12:06 |
| entil | that sounds an awful lot like this tablet campaign I heard of once | 12:06 |
| rigo | Stskeeps: Yay!!! | 12:06 |
| M-Yaniel | entil: the one without the tablets? | 12:07 |
| rigo | entil: the tablet campaign was very different as it let to the renovation of sailfishOS, thus repurposed the collected funds | 12:07 |
| rigo | which is fine, but unrelated to my suggestion :) | 12:07 |
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| entil | M-Yaniel: yeah, I think that's the one | 12:09 |
| entil | rigo: there have been very valid points that you can't just go "derp! imma install this!" | 12:09 |
| entil | rigo: you need to take care of drivers'n'shit | 12:10 |
| rigo | but you did that anyway for the intex phones that were sold in 15 minutes :) | 12:10 |
| entil | I'm not affiliated with jolla | 12:10 |
| rigo | oh, sorry, s/you/they/g | 12:11 |
| entil | there's also marketing and whatnot that offsets some of the y by intex | 12:11 |
| rigo | sure, it is really the question how big you can push y before you have only a few people left buying it | 12:11 |
| entil | and there were unanticipated hardware issues with the tablet, and one might criticise that, but the point is that y isn't that easily determined all of the time | 12:11 |
| rigo | thus you can't sustain the employees.... | 12:12 |
| rigo | entil: and I think they had two options. Reimbursement or asking the people wanting a tablet to add money to overcome the issues | 12:12 |
| rigo | jolla decided for one option :-/ I would have tried the other | 12:13 |
| rigo | anyway, I have to give a presentation now | 12:13 |
| rigo | cu | 12:13 |
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| entil | gl | 12:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | lol. thats exactly what they did for jolla phone, and they budgeted Y for selling 1 million phones | 12:24 |
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| the_mgt | hm, I just realized that they "owe" me exactly 179$ from the refound campaign. they could have offered such a C phone. :( | 12:26 |
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| LarstiQ | the_mgt: have you not been refunded? | 12:28 |
| the_mgt | only half | 12:35 |
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| citylight2 | I would have paied 330 euro for a jolla C, given it had wireless charging and 802.1AC and NFC | 12:51 |
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| TMavica | Can I get invitations if take plane to Helsinki at 17? Lol | 13:01 |
| phlixi_o | citylight2 it has none of these, right? | 13:03 |
| citylight2 | right | 13:04 |
| phlixi_o | why doesnt jolla go ahead and say "preorder between jun 15 and jun 22" or whatever, and then go to intex and say "we gathered x preorders"? why do they have to order batches first? seems silly to me | 13:04 |
| citylight2 | I agree, it seems they sell well even after the tablet fiasco and given the current spec which is lacking compared to other phones | 13:06 |
| Helle | citylight2: People have learned that SailfishOS will run like the clappers even on low-midrange HW | 13:08 |
| citylight2 | by the way, now that drop box connectivity is supported, how to download a file from dropbox to my jolla? | 13:08 |
| r0kk3rz | even if its lacking, its still the best specced sailfishos phone released to date | 13:09 |
| phlixi_o | jolla1 has better glass spec :D | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | phlixi_o: presumably because dates are unfortunately uncertain. | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | phlixi_o: It is concievable that this hardware was ordered some considerable time ago. | 13:11 |
| phlixi_o | i didnt mind when i was a "first one" | 13:11 |
| phlixi_o | i doubt this second batch had been ordered before the last batch | 13:11 |
| chem|st | dates uncertain, maybe there is a limit to "uncertified hardware" they may spread | 13:12 |
| chem|st | phlixi_o: the first batch needs to be around already as they will be handed out in 3 days | 13:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Also, it seems reasonable to me that devs who order and then get it in 3 weeks (say) may be more likely to do something with it compared to if they get it in 6 months | 13:12 |
| phlixi_o | chem|st: yes, sure, no doubt about that | 13:12 |
| phlixi_o | seems more like 6 weeks to me (and i expect it in august) | 13:13 |
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| Azog | what's the price for repairing the jolla-phone with a broken display at the moment? does someone know? | 13:23 |
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| citylight2 | why did the earphone hole chnage to the left side? used to be on the right in jolla? | 14:33 |
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| Stskeeps | citylight2: probably pcb differences | 14:42 |
| Tofe | or a successful conspiracy from the evil left-handed people | 14:42 |
| citylight2 | but why? oh why? | 14:42 |
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| zebbiz_pi | Anyone got the Jolla C? | 16:09 |
| coderus | jolla sailors :) | 16:10 |
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| zebbiz_pi | coderus: I meant anyone in here | 16:34 |
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| coderus | there are many jolla sailors :D | 16:35 |
| Raim | what do you mean exactly? already in their hands or just ordered? | 16:36 |
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| zebbiz_pi | I mean https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-community-device-program-jolla-c-second-batch/ | 16:39 |
| zebbiz_pi | https://jolla.com/jollac | 16:40 |
| Raim | certainly someone "got it", because it is sold out | 16:41 |
| zebbiz_pi | I'll refrase my question | 16:43 |
| zebbiz_pi | Did someone here, in this channel, get the Jolla C that they opened for order today? | 16:44 |
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| cehteh | looks jolla cant supply the demand :D, why dont they just sell the phone for profit in 100.000's | 18:32 |
| phlixi_ | pretty sure you got the figures wrong | 18:33 |
| phlixi_ | lets asume they now have 1.5k preorders | 18:33 |
| phlixi_ | maybe they would sell 2k, maybe 5, i dont know | 18:33 |
| phlixi_ | (sadly) for sure they wont sell 100k | 18:33 |
| phlixi_ | lets hope intex does^^ | 18:34 |
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| M4rtinK | lets hope the device actually ships this time ;-) | 18:34 |
| cehteh | not so sure, how many original phones got sold? | 18:34 |
| phlixi_ | i don tknow why, but i am pretty confident that i will get my jc latest in august | 18:35 |
| cehteh | there was the note in the news that they sold more than apple sold iphones in finland | 18:35 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla has never released figures, we can only guess | 18:35 |
| LarstiQ | M4rtinK: reasonably confident it will | 18:35 |
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| kimmoli | cehteh: during one month in the only retail chain jolla was available | 18:36 |
| phlixi_ | maybe jolla sold more jollas on the relase day, but i dont belive that (i can not think of a even more favoarble perversion of the figures) | 18:36 |
| r0kk3rz | .fi is nokia territory afterall | 18:37 |
| cehteh | anyway. i tihnk 100k is not that far fetched and if if its only 50k or only 10k ... they need market share, and bit profits would help them too | 18:38 |
| cehteh | 100k phones with $20 profits per phone, would add at least some money into the pool | 18:39 |
| phlixi_ | i think you are way to optimistic | 18:39 |
| r0kk3rz | cehteh: the Jolla C is being sold at cost, with no warranty | 18:39 |
| r0kk3rz | so, no profits | 18:40 |
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| M4rtinK | but you can still get some money from side effects of the bigger installation base! :) | 18:40 |
| M4rtinK | like cut from paid apps | 18:40 |
| M4rtinK | oh wait... ;-) | 18:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | even the big players are reducing their cut from paid apps these days | 18:41 |
| cehteh | r0kk3rz: i saiued "sell them in 100000's for profits" .. if they sell them for $30 more ($20 profit, $10 for warranty etc) i bet people would still buy them | 18:41 |
| phlixi_ | cehteh: still way to optimistic | 18:42 |
| cehteh | jolla should give up chasing behind the big players, they will be always last | 18:42 |
| phlixi_ | if it is "a real product" they have to care about warranty, certifications etc, support.... | 18:42 |
| cehteh | yes | 18:42 |
| phlixi_ | i have no idea, but i guess it would have to be 300 or more for identival hardware | 18:43 |
| r0kk3rz | cehteh: + costs for warehousing + order fulfillment + post sale support + warranty support vendors | 18:43 |
| cehteh | but certification must been done for the devel device already ... | 18:43 |
| phlixi_ | exactly r0kk3rz | 18:43 |
| cehteh | look at fairphones figures | 18:43 |
| phlixi_ | good idea.. fp2 costs what? 500? | 18:43 |
| r0kk3rz | fairphone is a hardware vendor, they dont really make software | 18:44 |
| cehteh | yes but jolla isnt fair | 18:44 |
| cehteh | anyway no need to discuss that here | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | they partner with a software company kwamecorp | 18:44 |
| cehteh | but how do they want to sell their OS/Software with devices where it runs are hard to come by? | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | to hardware vendors | 18:45 |
| cehteh | the only reason i see is maybe they dont want to compete with potential licensees | 18:45 |
| r0kk3rz | like intex, and turing, and fairphone, and that other african one | 18:45 |
| phlixi_ | then there would be no jolla c | 18:45 |
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| cehteh | but then currentl in 90% of the world you cant buy any Sailfish device | 18:45 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: mi-fone | 18:46 |
| cehteh | i meant official/finished/useable support | 18:46 |
| M4rtinK | I think Jolla C exists for 2 reasons | 18:46 |
| cehteh | not community ports | 18:46 |
| r0kk3rz | LarstiQ: yeah thats it :) | 18:46 |
| M4rtinK | 1) we have some prototypes/early hardware - lets sell it | 18:46 |
| cehteh | is SF on fairphone reasonable complete? android support? | 18:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | cehteh: yes, but they arent selling it yet | 18:47 |
| phlixi_ | cehteh: no one has android support, exchange etc... | 18:47 |
| M4rtinK | 2) to make "some" new hardware accessible - having no current & buyable hardware running your OS could be a death blow | 18:47 |
| mal- | just preparing the next release of sailfish for fairphone 2 | 18:47 |
| phlixi_ | cehteh: but i asume you could check #apkenv for the sfdroid status for fp2 | 18:50 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi_: we have seen alien-dalvik on a FP2 running, but its up to fp if they want to sell it or not | 18:51 |
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| M4rtinK | they could finally say something official about it | 18:52 |
| cehteh | my wife wants a new phone, i may convince her to get a fp2 | 18:52 |
| phlixi_ | r0kk3rz: yes, i know, but there is no license for that | 18:52 |
| M4rtinK | people have been pestering them about that nonstop for some time | 18:52 |
| cehteh | its a bit on the expensive side unfortunally .. | 18:52 |
| M-Yaniel | cehteh: well it's about the same as an iphone se | 18:54 |
| cehteh | iphone is never a comparsion | 18:54 |
| cehteh | esp comparing fp vs iphone .. huh :) | 18:54 |
| cehteh | completely different end of spectrum | 18:55 |
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| Lieke | well, jolla 1 was 400€ wasn't it? | 18:57 |
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| M4rtinK | I actually got it for that much back then | 18:57 |
| Lieke | i got it for 360 i think | 18:57 |
| cehteh | apropos, maybe wrong asking here, but in which countries/parts of the world does the FP2 work | 18:57 |
| phlixi_ | GSM/GPRS/EDGE | 18:58 |
| phlixi_ | Quad-band: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz | 18:58 |
| cehteh | i dont know all these freqs and where they are used | 18:58 |
| phlixi_ | thats, kind of everywhere (not sure about US) | 18:58 |
| cehteh | everywhere except us is ok :D | 18:59 |
| phlixi_ | probably also US, i dont know | 18:59 |
| * cehteh needs europe and south-america | 18:59 | |
| cehteh | https://fairphone.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205572745-Will-the-Fairphone-2-work-outside-of-Europe- | 18:59 |
| cehteh | okg | 18:59 |
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