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| Venemo_j | hi | 09:53 |
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| Venemo_j | is there a way to find out what the hell is the 'problem with sync'? | 09:54 |
| Yaniel | where? | 09:54 |
| Venemo_j | email app says this | 09:54 |
| Yaniel | journalctl should be able to tell you more | 09:55 |
| Venemo_j | from time ti time | 09:55 |
| Venemo_j | mhm | 09:55 |
| Venemo_j | okay | 09:55 |
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| phlixi_ | are we now allowed to talk about https://jolla.com/jollac | 10:09 |
| phlixi_ | ? | 10:09 |
| phlixi_ | :D | 10:09 |
| mornfall | phlixi_: no! :P | 10:11 |
| phlixi_ | ok,, then i wont | 10:11 |
| phlixi_ | :D | 10:11 |
| mornfall | TOHs won't fit, will they :( | 10:12 |
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| Yaniel | wtf is "Community Device" | 10:12 |
| phlixi_ | limited edition | 10:13 |
| Jope | not a proper consumer device in a way :-) | 10:13 |
| phlixi_ | i guess the intex on, maybe without the intex sticker on it? :D | 10:13 |
| ln- | "Jolla C device and any accompanying material are provided as is and without any warranties." | 10:13 |
| phlixi_ | nice | 10:14 |
| phlixi_ | ^^ | 10:14 |
| Jope | anyone wanna buy an n950? :-D | 10:14 |
| Jope | I'll probably just ebay it. :-P | 10:14 |
| ln- | Jope: you can't sell something you don't own. | 10:15 |
| Venemo_j | interesting question about who owns it now | 10:15 |
| phlixi_ | maybe you arent allowed to do so, but you certainly can | 10:15 |
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| tadzik | oh wow | 10:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i wonder why they cant just sell the intex phone in the EU on an ongoing basis | 10:26 |
| r0kk3rz | clearly aside from warranty, they would have to have gone through CE certifications | 10:26 |
| Jope | ln- how don't I own it | 10:27 |
| tadzik | do the specs match the intex device? | 10:27 |
| ln- | Jope: as far as i know, all the n950s were loaned to developers by nokia. | 10:27 |
| Jope | ln- not all, not all.. | 10:27 |
| Jope | this one has been paid for with money | 10:28 |
| ln- | paid to whom? | 10:28 |
| Jope | to nokia | 10:28 |
| ln- | in that case then... | 10:28 |
| Jope | and I have paid to the entity who purchased it :-) | 10:28 |
| r0kk3rz | tadzik: yep, looks like they match up | 10:29 |
| tadzik | a neat reskin :) | 10:30 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: well, CE certification is mostly a paper affair, it's not like the FCC | 10:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | i wonder if we'll get it the JollaC before intex releases the aqua fish | 10:31 |
| Yaniel | maybe, if this is the test batch for the aqua fish | 10:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | hmm i guess even with certifications, the whole device lifecycle is probably something jolla doesnt want to bother with anymore | 10:33 |
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| phlixi_ | what makes you think it is not (technically) exactly the same as the intex aqua fish? maybe without the sticker? | 10:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | phlixi_: as far as i can tell, it is the aqua fish | 10:40 |
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| phlixi_ | thats what i think too, but based on pure logic | 10:40 |
| phlixi_ | but no actual information | 10:40 |
| mornfall | phlixi_: is there a price tag? | 10:41 |
| r0kk3rz | it looks the same, the specs match | 10:41 |
| r0kk3rz | thats information enough for me | 10:41 |
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| phlixi_ | 136.29eur without tax | 10:43 |
| phlixi_ | mornfall | 10:43 |
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| mornfall | phlixi_: sounds fair enough | 10:45 |
| phlixi_ | this is what i call a tablet: https://cdn-blog.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Blog_assembly1.jpg | 10:47 |
| phlixi_ | :D | 10:47 |
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| phlixi_ | oh, its two tablets | 10:48 |
| FireFly | Not 10? | 10:48 |
| FireFly | oh wait | 10:48 |
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| FireFly | oh they're phones | 10:48 |
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| Tofe | Ok, so basically they found a way to sell some aquafish devices in Europe, without the hassle of the certifications :p | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | Tofe: s/certs/post-sale responsibilities | 11:01 |
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| Tofe | r0kk3rz: well, the whole chain: certs,QA,post-sale | 11:02 |
| Helle | and fun fact, unless they don't sell to consumers AT ALL, people can still demand the post-sale responsibilities, atleast if the money exchanged is in the order of what you'd pay for a regular phone | 11:02 |
| Helle | can't sign away those rights | 11:02 |
| Helle | atleast not unequally | 11:02 |
| Helle | (ie, you'd need to be getting a huge discount for that) | 11:03 |
| phlixi_ | basically as if "a friend brought you one from abroad"... if you dont care about that, then its nice :-) | 11:03 |
| r0kk3rz | i was going to try and get an intex phone anyway, and this way i dont have to bother with killing the partnerspace nonsense | 11:03 |
| Tofe | Helle: they don't sell to customer at all, that's the whole point | 11:03 |
| Helle | Tofe: ah, then it might stick | 11:04 |
| Tofe | It's like a beta program | 11:04 |
| Helle | Tofe: but still this is a hard sell to a court in Europe | 11:04 |
| phlixi_ | r0kk3rz: same here... :-) | 11:04 |
| Helle | and companies, rightfully so, have been burnt by it | 11:04 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: i think if push came to shove, jolla would refund | 11:05 |
| Tofe | It's a calculated risk anyway | 11:05 |
| Helle | yep | 11:05 |
| Tofe | But for big enthousiast, it's a great opportunity, if you don't trust any third-party abroad | 11:06 |
| M-schmittlauch | Well, I still love my Jolla with it's TOHKBD and I also think 5" are quite big. Nevertheless I just ordered one. | 11:07 |
| M-schmittlauch | If I don't use it or can't find the time to develop stuff I can still give it away to other people. | 11:08 |
| M-schmittlauch | I hope this wasn't a fault D: | 11:09 |
| M-schmittlauch | :D | 11:09 |
| Tofe | I already have a well-working Jolla as my main phone, I really don't see how I could use that other one | 11:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | bigger screen, more rams, more cores, whats not to like? | 11:10 |
| Tofe | But I hesitated for some long minutes -- I know they will sell pretty easily | 11:10 |
| M-schmittlauch | Although I still love my Jolla it recently began to feel old. The phone jack is broken, CPU and RAM are quite low. Nevertheless I'll keep on using it because of the great TOHKBD. | 11:11 |
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| Tofe | r0kk3rz: and what to do of my current one? Do you want to buy mine for 169€ ? :D | 11:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | Tofe: get yourself on the cbeta team and test the bleeding edge? | 11:15 |
| Tofe | I'm already in the early adopter's team, it's already quite bleeding edge | 11:16 |
| Tofe | It's quite 50/50 for me... and the UI is still closed. So, nope. | 11:17 |
| M-schmittlauch | Tofe: That's the reason I'm afraid I may regret it :\ | 11:18 |
| Tofe | M-schmittlauch: I think it's a good device anyway, it also really depends on how your current Jolla feels to you | 11:19 |
| M-schmittlauch | Tofe: I'm a heavy user of the TOHKBD and I didn't want to give Jolla Oy any more money befor they are realy open source |: Damn me! | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | M-schmittlauch: careful, you're starting to sound a big fanboyish :D | 11:23 |
| Tofe | hehe | 11:24 |
| M-schmittlauch | r0kk3rz: That's why I'm a bit afraid of myself (; | 11:24 |
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| taaem | I'm so unsure about the Jolla C what do you guys think? Worth or not? | 11:29 |
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| Tofe | The price tag is fair, so your decision has to be done on other aspects | 11:30 |
| Tofe | If you're an app developer and have only one Jolla, I think it's a good option | 11:32 |
| M4rtinK | well | 11:33 |
| M4rtinK | I got 170€ from Jolla today | 11:33 |
| M4rtinK | it costs 164€ here with the VAT | 11:33 |
| M4rtinK | so I'm still at +6€ :) | 11:33 |
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| Tofe | M4rtinK: if Jolla were good at timings, I'd say they did it on purpose :p | 11:34 |
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| M4rtinK | Tofe: it seemed like it - but yeah, it is probably just a coincidence ;-) | 11:35 |
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| Smar | looking from phrasing of the post, I’d guess they got someone new who knows basics of marketing ;) | 11:37 |
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| Kabouik | Hi there. Just read about the Jolla C announcement on a forum. Great news. | 11:38 |
| Kabouik | Am I right that it is not *limited* to devs? The shop page says "The program is open to both developers and enthusiastic community members who support Sailfish OS by developing or advocating the platform." | 11:38 |
| Kabouik | I do advocate the plateform! | 11:38 |
| Smar | just buy away before they run out :P | 11:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | run out? theres 1000 of them... | 11:39 |
| pp_ | but who in their right mind would prepay anything :P | 11:40 |
| r0kk3rz | pp_: this seems unlikely to go on general release though | 11:40 |
| Kabouik | Well, I never wanted the tablet but I read the news. Have to admit it could chill down some people for new pre-orders. :] Are these Jolla C built already? | 11:41 |
| taaem | Kabouik: look at the blog post there are images from the factory | 11:41 |
| Bysmyyr | pp_: this is order so you will get money bakc form creditcardcompany | 11:41 |
| Kabouik | Oh, I missed that | 11:41 |
| Smar | they said they are already in production | 11:41 |
| Smar | I’d also guess this is somehow related to the intex phone, so I’d guess there is some muscles on production side | 11:42 |
| Tofe | Very likely yes. I too don't think the deliveries will be a problem. | 11:42 |
| Bysmyyr | and if there is problem, moneyback is not | 11:42 |
| Kabouik | FAQ 11 covers this topic anyway | 11:43 |
| Kabouik | They say Jolla C and tablet are a completely different matter, which I expected | 11:43 |
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| lainwir3d | wait.... whut ?! | 11:44 |
| lainwir3d | new phone ? | 11:44 |
| Bysmyyr | different company phone and tablet | 11:44 |
| * lainwir3d opens blog.jolla.com | 11:44 | |
| Kabouik | Well, not so new | 11:44 |
| Bysmyyr | lainwir3d: open jolla.com/jollac | 11:45 |
| Hummer12007 | the jolla c is basically a rebranded aqua fish, right? | 11:45 |
| Kabouik | Maybe I'm missing something, but I only see dual-sim as a new feature (and the program invitations, and early updates) | 11:45 |
| Helle | it is rather tempting, just to deal with the fact my phone /will/ wear out | 11:45 |
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| Kabouik | Oh, so maybe I read too fast. It does not have the same characteristics of the regular Jolla | 11:45 |
| Wnt | Kabouik: there is also more pixels and more cores | 11:45 |
| Bysmyyr | and ram | 11:46 |
| Kabouik | Yeah, kind of forgot the hardware of my jolla. :D | 11:46 |
| Kabouik | But it's 5" too instead of 4.5, right? So yeah, basically an Aqua | 11:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | Kabouik: no basically about it, it *is* an aqua fish | 11:52 |
| Kabouik | Yeah, right. Except for the "community program" that's offered with it | 11:53 |
| Helle | Kabouik: also Android support ? | 11:53 |
| Kabouik | I don't actually know if the Aqua fish is a good phone, need to read a little more about it. | 11:53 |
| Kabouik | What do you mean Helle? No Android support on Aqua fish, or different version? | 11:54 |
| Helle | Kabouik: on anything thing else, this does have Android support | 11:54 |
| Helle | which imo is a selling point | 11:55 |
| Helle | but idk if I can afford to spend 180 euro or so right now randomly | 11:55 |
| Kabouik | You'd say that Jolla C > Jolla? The 4.5" and OHs of my Jolla are what make me hesitate. I haven't understood what you said above with "anything thing", sorry | 11:56 |
| Helle | Kabouik: if you'd get SailfishOS on anything unofficially, it won't have Android support | 11:56 |
| Kabouik | Yeah but this is official here, I guess it would be included just the same. Would like a newer Android version though, there are Android apps that I cannot run on my Jolla (bank app, mandatory for confirming transactions :/) | 11:58 |
| phlixi_ | first bullet point on the page, Operating system | 11:59 |
| phlixi_ | Pure Sailfish OS 2.0 compatible with Android™ apps | 11:59 |
| phlixi_ | change your bank if they dont have a website | 12:00 |
| phlixi_ | thats ridicoulous | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | i think the 'pure' is throwing people a bit | 12:00 |
| phlixi_ | i understood its meant like nexus "pure" | 12:01 |
| phlixi_ | without vendorcrap | 12:01 |
| lainwir3d | "Pure Sailfish OS 2.0 compatible with Android™ apps" | 12:01 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 12:01 |
| lainwir3d | well well well | 12:01 |
| lainwir3d | I'm buying it I guess | 12:01 |
| r0kk3rz | intex phones for everyone! | 12:01 |
| lainwir3d | yeah, bought too much OH too | 12:02 |
| Kabouik | It's off topic phlixi_, but they have a website, they just require phone confirmation. I opened an account because they charge 0 fees in other countries and in currency conversions, which is very rare. It's not my main bank. | 12:02 |
| lainwir3d | I won't do that ever again I guess hoping "the next phone" will have the same OH form factor | 12:02 |
| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: yeah its a bit of a shame that the other half idea has been canned | 12:03 |
| Kabouik | Yeah that is the problem here, OH past investment, keyboard, and big form factor :/ | 12:03 |
| tigeli | if I would have to guess.. implementing OH would cost more money and the partners do not want it | 12:04 |
| phlixi_ | Kabouik: i do not want to talk around the fact, that with time it seems to be a problem to only have like android 4.1 support (or 4.3, 4.4 or whatever it is)... i just think its redicoulous if a bank needs an app wich is only available for iphone/android in order to be "operated" really, thats nuts | 12:04 |
| Kabouik | The real selling point for me would be updated Alien, all along with the updated hardware that is already plenty enough | 12:04 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi_: theres a whole bunch of 'apps as banks' popping up, they arent normal banks | 12:05 |
| phlixi_ | r0kk3rz: well, then those will never have me as a client... | 12:05 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi_: as is your choice, but its not like HSBC coming up and saying you must have an ios/android phone | 12:05 |
| Kabouik | Sure phlixi_, I really annoys me too. I mean, if you close yourself to iOS and Android, at least try not to close yourself to older Android versions... But anyway, the bank itself is very good and the benefits of their card, I can't just give them up (especially as it is free). I guess they explain better their point on their website (https://number26.eu/). | 12:06 |
| phlixi_ | but hey, i am from germany, where you usually do not pay 20 cents with credidcard... and cash is quite usual | 12:06 |
| Kabouik | Sorry for off-topic | 12:06 |
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| phlixi_ | all banks i know offer full funtionality via web | 12:07 |
| phlixi_ | well, ok, except the bank i have my main account, where i can not do sepa to foreign countries without mtan (which i consider bad) thus i am limited to phone there... but they picup the phone even at 1 am :-) | 12:08 |
| Kabouik | This is purposedly advertised as a "phone bank", except not a "all phone bank". Anyway, this was not the selling point for me, just the card with no fees for different currencies/countries. And it's free (and comes from your country :p) | 12:08 |
| phlixi_ | ...and i dont do that regularly | 12:08 |
| lainwir3d | I really hope the Jolla C does have android support | 12:08 |
| Helle | lainwir3d: yes, it's mentioned | 12:09 |
| phlixi_ | lainwir3d: http://jolla.com/jollac first item: Operating system Pure Sailfish OS 2.0 compatible with Android™ apps | 12:09 |
| Kabouik | Maybe someone at Jolla could confirm it here if there is any doubt, I don't think they tried to keep this information, and rather that if it is unclear to some people, they will want to fix this. I think it does have Android though. | 12:09 |
| phlixi_ | KaIRC: first item on the page i mentioned in my last line Operating system Pure Sailfish OS 2.0 compatible with Android™ apps | 12:10 |
| phlixi_ | :D | 12:10 |
| phlixi_ | oops | 12:10 |
| phlixi_ | sory KaIRC i meant Kabouik | 12:10 |
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| Kabouik | Yeah I saw that, I agree, but some people seem to find the "pure" unclear | 12:10 |
| phlixi_ | silly tool, should know Kabouik was the last "K"-Guy i was talking to :D | 12:11 |
| lainwir3d | well, until I read it here I didn't even notice the "pure"... damn you guys | 12:11 |
| phlixi_ | pure = no vendor crap on it (as jolla dvertised, that vendors can customize sailfish) | 12:11 |
| Tofe | Kabouik: maybe opposed to "community edition", somehow | 12:11 |
| Tofe | phlixi_: ah yes, you must be right | 12:11 |
| Kabouik | Probably this yes | 12:12 |
| r0kk3rz | not to be confused with locusf's 'pure ports' with no hybris | 12:12 |
| Kabouik | I guess we got used to this with our N900/N9/Jolla and now don't even think about it. :] | 12:12 |
| Helle | for me the annoying thing is, my Jolla Phone is fine | 12:12 |
| phlixi_ | like "pure nandoird" on nexus, no samsung shit on it | 12:12 |
| Helle | so I'd buy the C for development and "well, some day my phone will break" reasons | 12:13 |
| Helle | because we have no idea when next we can buy one | 12:13 |
| phlixi_ | i ordered one to keep the boat alive... i hope they benefit from the sales a bit | 12:13 |
| phlixi_ | and also my cameralens is scratched :D | 12:13 |
| Helle | phlixi_: good reasons aswell | 12:13 |
| Helle | the corners of my phone indicate how often I dropped it | 12:13 |
| phlixi_ | ^^ | 12:14 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: +1 | 12:14 |
| Kabouik | Mine too. :< | 12:14 |
| Yaniel | Helle: I guess I'm glad my jolla is showing signs of breakage then? | 12:14 |
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| Tofe | Yaniel: "oops, and now look ! I walked on the screen..." | 12:15 |
| phlixi_ | lol | 12:15 |
| phlixi_ | you should wait a month | 12:15 |
| Helle | I guess my Jolla tablet money back is going back to Jolla, heh | 12:15 |
| Helle | oh well, the cycle of life | 12:15 |
| Yaniel | Tofe: more like "oh battery is almost empty, time to recharge... now if it would recognize the charger that would be great" | 12:17 |
| Kabouik | With the N900 supposed to come out at the end of this year, I guess this is not very smart of me, but I just ordered one Jolla C. D: | 12:17 |
| Kabouik | Neo900* | 12:17 |
| Helle | Kabouik: Neo900 is uuuuh, 1000 euro or so ? | 12:17 |
| Helle | yeah, I'd rather have the phone I actually dare use | 12:17 |
| Yaniel | Neo900 again? :D | 12:17 |
| Yaniel | how many times has it been "supposed to come out at the end of this year" now | 12:17 |
| Kabouik | Yeah it's going to be extremely expensive, let's consider the Jolla is about the price of a Neo900 coloured shell :D | 12:18 |
| lainwir3d | hmm... my jolla loudspeaker now works one time out of 5 | 12:18 |
| lainwir3d | that's pretty much a good reason ^_^ | 12:18 |
| lainwir3d | and I want to help keep the boat alive too | 12:19 |
| Yaniel | I've been eyeing the iphone se though | 12:19 |
| Helle | Apple's walled garden has me just cringing | 12:19 |
| Yaniel | mainly because during the next two years I'm sure I'll appreciate a phone that is actually supported everywhere | 12:20 |
| Kabouik | We will have to ban you from here, dear sir. | 12:21 |
| jaywalk | oh this channel is very active today! | 12:22 |
| r0kk3rz | jaywalk: new phone, thats why | 12:22 |
| jaywalk | r0kk3rz: I know, already entered the program:) | 12:22 |
| lainwir3d | What do you think is more advantageous for them ? "Finnish Online Banking (Paytrail)" or Paypal ? | 12:24 |
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| jaywalk | lainwir3d: probably paytrail, but no way to know for sure. shouldn't make a big difference really | 12:25 |
| lainwir3d | alright | 12:25 |
| Hummer12007 | btw, how do you transfer your files to/from Jolla on linux? via ssh/scp? | 12:25 |
| lainwir3d | thanks jaywalk :) | 12:25 |
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| Hummer12007 | mtp is sometimes unreliable | 12:26 |
| jaywalk | Hummer12007: I mostly use rsync, or scp for one-off transfers | 12:26 |
| M4rtinK | Hummer12007: ssh/scp | 12:26 |
| lainwir3d | Hummer12007: yeah, using KDE file manager (dolphin) ssh/scp is pretty much transparent | 12:26 |
| lainwir3d | mtp is too unreliable | 12:26 |
| Yaniel | scp and syncthing | 12:26 |
| Hummer12007 | thanks | 12:26 |
| M4rtinK | Hummer12007: mtp is broken by design (no seek (!!) and other issues) | 12:26 |
| Hummer12007 | too bad there isn't a reliable way to transfer stuff without a network or tethering | 12:27 |
| M4rtinK | well, I use USB networking | 12:28 |
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| M4rtinK | not much difference in that case | 12:28 |
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| lainwir3d | "Hi janlund. To your questions: yes Android support is included here." | 12:34 |
| lainwir3d | in blog post comment | 12:34 |
| phlixi_ | seems like i have to put this as a shortcut.... | 12:40 |
| phlixi_ | There is https://jolla.com/jollac and the first thing mentioned there on the spec sheet is: "Operating system Pure Sailfish OS 2.0 compatible with Android™ apps" I think this leaves no doubt, that "pure" means "no third party vendor crap preinstalled" | 12:40 |
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| lainwir3d | yeah, but it being confirmed in the comments is nice :P | 12:41 |
| lainwir3d | No mention of a Gorilla glass :-/ | 12:42 |
| phlixi_ | i need no confirmation for that, its on the spec sheet :D | 12:42 |
| lainwir3d | :D | 12:42 |
| lainwir3d | true | 12:42 |
| lainwir3d | but well... i admit being subject to a little bit of paranoïa | 12:42 |
| phlixi_ | :) | 12:43 |
| lainwir3d | doesn't seems to be a gorilla glass. I hope it won't be too bad | 12:43 |
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| lainwir3d | "MicroSD slot up to 32 GB" | 12:51 |
| lainwir3d | Same thing as the tablet ? Cannot say officially that it supports bigger sdcards than that ? | 12:52 |
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| pp_ | not without exfat :-) | 12:54 |
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| lainwir3d | alright :-) | 12:58 |
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| Lieke | does it have btrfs? | 13:00 |
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| M4rtinK | Lieke: I hope not ;-) | 13:05 |
| M4rtinK | Lieke: at least the tablet is LVM + EXT4 AFAIK | 13:05 |
| M4rtinK | Lieke: so hopefully all new devices also got rid of it | 13:06 |
| Lieke | yeah, hopefully :) | 13:07 |
| LarstiQ | Lieke: no btrfs | 13:07 |
| Lieke | great, thanks | 13:07 |
| LarstiQ | although if you insist I'm sure you can convert it ;) | 13:07 |
| taaem | probably no btrfs :D | 13:07 |
| Tofe | LarstiQ: if we insist we can probably get rid of btrfs too ;) | 13:08 |
| LarstiQ | Tofe: ah well, that's easy, no btrfs to start with :) | 13:09 |
| Tofe | LarstiQ: no, I meant on Jolla1 | 13:10 |
| LarstiQ | tad more work | 13:11 |
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| XwZ | hi, question about Jolla C, is it compatible with USA 4G ? | 13:16 |
| Wnt | XwZ: looks like it is not: "4G/LTE: 1/3/7/20" an none of those frequency bands are used in US | 13:17 |
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| XwZ | ok, that's sad, I will move to north america in 6month and I would like to have a Jolla phone :( | 13:18 |
| XwZ | but thank you for your fast reponse | 13:18 |
| Wnt | XwZ: there is a table of different carriers LTE bands on this page: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Cheat-sheet-which-4G-LTE-bands-do-AT-T-Verizon-T-Mobile-and-Sprint-use-in-the-USA_id77933 | 13:18 |
| XwZ | I will read this, thank you | 13:19 |
| Wnt | XwZ: but at least the WCDMA B5 (850MHz) is usable in the US | 13:19 |
| lainwir3d | "Jolla is not making any profit with this price." => https://sailfishos.org/community_program_FAQ | 13:19 |
| Bysmyyr | I think they cannot do any profit as it is test device | 13:20 |
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| jaywalk | anyone here know what the pebble support in jolla is like these days? I sold my pebble time last year but eyeing the pebble 2 kickstarter now | 14:11 |
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| Hummer12007 | jaywalk: there are some apps for that in the open repos, at the very least, take a look at them | 14:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | jaywalk: https://github.com/abranson/rockpool | 14:20 |
| jaywalk | I used what was available back then, but am looking for user experiences today. Then it was... ok. ish. :) | 14:24 |
| jaywalk | then there's of course the unknown of how pebble will change everything again with new versions, but I suspect it won't be too major this time. mostly seem to add fitness tracking and comsmetic updates | 14:25 |
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| sakustar | how much is the jollac | 14:42 |
| sakustar | the website doesnt work on mobile :D | 14:42 |
| phlixi_ | 13x something, in germany with 19% its 169eur | 14:42 |
| sakustar | oh | 14:42 |
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| sakustar | mm do i need a 6th smartphone to decorate the bookshelf | 14:43 |
| phlixi_ | yes of course! | 14:43 |
| sakustar | my favorite is lumia 620 (the design is awesome, you can spin anything on top of it) | 14:44 |
| sakustar | atleast 2 laptops and a surface pro :D | 14:44 |
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| M-schmittlauch | Just cancelled my Jolla C order hoping that my Jolla 1 will still work a while. | 14:47 |
| ln- | i wonder if they really can sell to consumers without warranty, just by saying 'no warranty' | 14:48 |
| r0kk3rz | you're buying into a program, not buying a device | 14:48 |
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| Acce | yeah.. I'm not sure if it's technically a pure device sale, or if the european 2 year terrible-product-responsibility applies if it comes from Jolla Hong Kong or something? | 15:17 |
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| jaywalk | ln-: what r0kk3rz said. but I think they should've been more restrictive, not letting anyone joining the program by pressing "buy now". A lot of people on together.jolla.com seem to handle it as a device sale... | 15:18 |
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| M4rtinK | it indeed really looks that way | 15:18 |
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| jaywalk | other developer programs with hardware (say, a dev card) usually have the same clause of no warranty. but maybe more obvious when the pcb is bare | 15:19 |
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| jaywalk | so my guess is, jolla is in the clear. they're doing it right. but people may be reading it wrong and still be disappointed? | 15:20 |
| r0kk3rz | Jolla has lawyers, im sure they got advice on it | 15:20 |
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| Acce | jaywalk: well, that has it has kinda happened before, and because of unclear communication | 15:21 |
| jaywalk | it'd also be a shame if lots of these phones are sold to consumers that just want a phone and have no interest in the development, leaving developers out of the developer program. but hopefully those with a development and community interest are swift to place their orders so this problem does not arise.:) | 15:21 |
| louisdk | My only concern about joining the dev program is no warranty for jolla c device. | 15:21 |
| jaywalk | Acce: sure. but this time it's quite clear. the link to purchase it is "join now" not "buy now" | 15:22 |
| Acce | well, the developer mailing list & and some Jolla fans were actually kinda given a "be ready" notice | 15:22 |
| Acce | but since it was not told it's going to cost money, not everyone wanting to join could I guess | 15:22 |
| r0kk3rz | did anyone get a warranty on their N950? | 15:22 |
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| Acce | not an easy decision to quickly put almost 200€ suddenly | 15:23 |
| jaywalk | Acce: aye. hopefully they open up a path to join without buying the device too. you can do plenty with just the sdk on hand if that's your game! | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: it wasn't technically your property | 15:25 |
| jaywalk | r0kk3rz: I'm betting it was about the same. "we'll help if we can" | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | in 99% of cases | 15:25 |
| Acce | yep, it feels more like they just wanted to hand some of the aquafish devices to Europe without all the consumer rights hassle ;) | 15:25 |
| adurol | just wanted to make sure: Jolla C is "just" a re-branded Intex Aqua Fish, right? | 15:26 |
| Acce | nobody knows, but it seems obvious | 15:27 |
| phlixi_ | anything else would be stupid | 15:27 |
| jaywalk | adurol: from what I can tell, yep! and "pure" as in no software installed by third-party vendors (don't know what the aquafish has installed?) | 15:27 |
| adurol | yes, was thinking to that the "partner space" would be absent with the Jolla C | 15:28 |
| adurol | the specs are the same as the Aqua Fish | 15:28 |
| phlixi_ | i dont know where, maybe some mwc or other stuff... jolla advertised the possibility to add stuff on swype left or such | 15:28 |
| phlixi_ | partnerspace sounds like that... | 15:28 |
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| adurol | not sure about the new name with SFOS2.0, but before is was called partner space (now it super something... not sure) | 15:29 |
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| Yaniel | super apps | 15:30 |
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| Acce | I would guess that without 3rd party content, we get to put whatever we want to put there | 15:31 |
| Acce | it's a dev device after all! | 15:31 |
| TMavica | It should be same as Aqua phone without any snapdeal content | 15:33 |
| M4rtinK | I think the only possible case where it is not Aquafish | 15:34 |
| M4rtinK | was some sort of pre-production batch | 15:34 |
| M4rtinK | that was meant for testing but ended OK enough for devs | 15:35 |
| Yaniel | ^ precisely what I suspect these are | 15:35 |
| M4rtinK | or having inventory but not software ready | 15:35 |
| M4rtinK | for consumers | 15:35 |
| M4rtinK | so why not sell some with discount to devs ? | 15:35 |
| M4rtinK | you might even boost native apps :) | 15:35 |
| M4rtinK | win-win :) | 15:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: these are being sold at cost, so yeah discount to devs | 15:40 |
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| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: any for devs helps | 15:45 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: it is not exactly easy to develop for Sailfish OS, especially when targeting Harbour with a non-trivial app | 15:46 |
| M4rtinK | if you also need to buy your own (consumer) device for development | 15:46 |
| M4rtinK | less people will bother | 15:46 |
| M4rtinK | so some sort of "Developer" program definitely helps - even if it is more or less a good-will gesture in this case | 15:47 |
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| tbr | btw, do people still cry for paid apps support? | 15:48 |
| r0kk3rz | tbr: some do, i dont really see why | 15:48 |
| tadzik | . o O ( "we'll double your flattr donations with device discounts" ) | 15:48 |
| tbr | r0kk3rz: yeah | 15:49 |
| tadzik | afaik yes | 15:49 |
| tadzik | except for those that just stopped giving a shit | 15:49 |
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| tbr | r0kk3rz: there would be a remote chance that I go and show them why they are being wussies, by creating e.g. a example based on in app payment or side-channel payment and verification code. | 15:50 |
| tbr | I mean the concept of activation codes is completly new and revolutionary, isn't it? ;) | 15:50 |
| r0kk3rz | obviously they need a store provider to gouge their 30% | 15:51 |
| tbr | (no, I wouldn't bother to make it hack proof) | 15:51 |
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| Yaniel | it's not like there aren't paid apps in harbour already anyway | 15:51 |
| tbr | impossibru! | 15:51 |
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| Yaniel | it *does* have the downside that one has to run their own activation infra | 15:51 |
| tbr | sure | 15:52 |
| urs | hmm, the jolla C. Does anybody know if it supports the other half like the original one did? | 15:52 |
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| phlixi_ | wont | 15:52 |
| r0kk3rz | urs: yeah nah | 15:52 |
| phlixi_ | no toh | 15:52 |
| Yaniel | it has different physical dimensions so probably not ;) | 15:52 |
| urs | ok, dangit. | 15:52 |
| tbr | urs: it looks like an rebadged aquafish, so nope | 15:53 |
| phlixi_ | not probably, confirmed on mailing list, no toh | 15:53 |
| urs | In that case, I don't want it. | 15:53 |
| tadzik | only tooh | 15:53 |
| tadzik | the other other half | 15:53 |
| phlixi_ | :) | 15:53 |
| phlixi_ | sure, but not THE oh | 15:53 |
| urs | or rather... I'll wait until someone builds a keyboard for it. | 15:53 |
| phlixi_ | ill bet there wont be one | 15:53 |
| r0kk3rz | urs: bad luck, you have to get it anyway to appease the jolla gods | 15:54 |
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| urs | r0kk3rz: the gods can roast in hell. :) | 15:54 |
| r0kk3rz | that they can :D | 15:54 |
| urs | All I care about is a phone with a keyboard. | 15:54 |
| r0kk3rz | then you need a time machine | 15:55 |
| * tbr is considering a GPD-win as keyboard device in addition to a keyboardless mobile phone | 15:55 | |
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| tbr | but that won't ship before autumn | 15:56 |
| tbr | can be preordered tho' | 15:56 |
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| attah | soo.. how are they not sold out yet?! :O | 15:57 |
| r0kk3rz | sold out? i wonder if they will sell them all | 15:58 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: why? | 15:58 |
| r0kk3rz | because theres 1000 of them | 15:58 |
| attah | isn't that how many tablets they sold within the first hour or two? | 16:00 |
| r0kk3rz | yes but this is post tablet fiasco | 16:00 |
| r0kk3rz | and its not a tablet, its a phone | 16:00 |
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| attah | yeah.. and i'd judge people's need for a tablet to be less than a replacement for J1 (if you look at J1 owners) | 16:01 |
| wmarone|tmp | and because it's a phone, distribution is even more limited | 16:01 |
| attah | ^point | 16:01 |
| r0kk3rz | attah: a number of jphone owners in here are saying "too big" "no toh" | 16:02 |
| wmarone|tmp | jolla jettisoned their hardware group, IIRC, so they are beholden to OEMs now | 16:02 |
| r0kk3rz | but regardless, we will see how it goes | 16:03 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: yeah.. and no keyboard :P | 16:03 |
| r0kk3rz | attah: thats an extension of no toh, since jphone didnt have a keyboard either | 16:03 |
| attah | ... and boy were people upset | 16:04 |
| attah | oh well.. maybe i'm just too much of a fanboy | 16:05 |
| wmarone|tmp | the problem is that people want Jolla to succeed, but it's not apparent how they intend to | 16:07 |
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| tadzik | I'm just discussing that with a friend | 16:08 |
| tadzik | we figure that, with all the shortcomings, it's still the platform/company that we want to succeed the most | 16:08 |
| tadzik | but since devphones are non-profit, no point in buying them from our pov | 16:08 |
| tadzik | other than the blatantly selfish "I want 2gb of ram". of course | 16:08 |
| attah | yup | 16:08 |
| phlixi_ | well, i hope its not a loss if someone buys | 16:09 |
| attah | i'd buy a commercial one too and/or turing phone if it ever shows up | 16:09 |
| Kabouik_ | As long as all devs who want to buy one get to buy one, I think it's fine. | 16:09 |
| wmarone|tmp | turing phone is interesting, but only if the security isn't inflexible | 16:10 |
| Yaniel | let's start with "actually exists" with the turing phone :P | 16:10 |
| Kabouik_ | Plus people in this chan are probably the Jolla owners that are the most likely to bother their friends and relatives with their Jolla, so they are better advocates than random Joe | 16:10 |
| wmarone|tmp | I'd love to be a jolla owner but they don't sell here, and the only opportunity I had went up in smoke in december | 16:11 |
| LarstiQ | tadzik: if you develop for Sailfish that helps too | 16:11 |
| Kabouik_ | (I don't have anything against random Joe, I just know that we are all very convinced of SF's benefits here) | 16:12 |
| tadzik | LarstiQ: right, I should actually release my half-baked shit before I make myself entitled to a dev device :P | 16:12 |
| tadzik | wmarone|tmp: where is "here"? | 16:12 |
| wmarone|tmp | california | 16:12 |
| tadzik | ah | 16:12 |
| LarstiQ | wmarone|tmp: Tampa? | 16:14 |
| LarstiQ | egh, too late with my guess | 16:15 |
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| Helle | tadzik: well, I am also seeing it as "can't quite buy any other jphone" and no near future chance aswell for it I fear | 16:38 |
| tadzik | right | 16:38 |
| tadzik | one argument for paid apps (though that discussion was on #sailfishos methinks) is also "it will give jolla money" | 16:38 |
| tadzik | something that flattr donations don't | 16:38 |
| phlixi_ | i bet its more costly to develope and keep alive and support the paid app support, than whatever it makes money for jolla | 16:42 |
| phlixi_ | well, if sailfish gathers traction, that might change | 16:43 |
| phlixi_ | right know i would be suprised if there is enough resources to spend them on stuff like that | 16:43 |
| Helle | but serious, for me the reason to buy it would be to make sure I keep having a Sailfish phone for the next 2-3 years | 16:43 |
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| tadzik | phlixi_: yeah, that might be right | 16:48 |
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| Helle | oh well, too late, it's sold out now | 17:04 |
| Helle | fuck | 17:04 |
| Helle | guess I am buying one at 50% markup in 4 months | 17:04 |
| Helle | because that is how my luck goes | 17:05 |
| M-schmittlauch | Helle: I just cancelled my order, maybe I can send another mail telling them I want to give it to you? | 17:05 |
| Helle | M-schmittlauch: try it, would be really nice if you do | 17:05 |
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| TMavica | Already out of stock | 17:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | you snooze you lose | 17:50 |
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| johas | this has probably been asked before today, but: does anyone know if the jollac is already completely sold-out? or has it only been available for a small group of developers so far and will be openly available for enthuasiasts later? | 18:09 |
| Jope | isn't it on the jolla website | 18:09 |
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| johas | it says "out of stock" | 18:10 |
| Yaniel | according to my backlog it is sold out | 18:10 |
| johas | :-( | 18:10 |
| speactra | yes it is | 18:10 |
| Yaniel | people rushed to order it quite soon after the news got out this morning | 18:10 |
| attah | It was available for *anyone*, until now | 18:10 |
| attah | It is however not necessarily the case that unpaid orders have expired and cancellations have been put back in stock | 18:11 |
| johas | oh my, why does facebook decide which news i get during work and which not? i would have ordered it instantly. | 18:11 |
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| speactra | don't trust fb in such serious manners ;) | 18:12 |
| johas | ;) | 18:12 |
| * attah ordered it before loading the email or the specs | 18:13 | |
| johas | still, i take it as a good sign that 1000 devices sell in less than a day. some jolla fanboys seem to have survived death valley. ;) | 18:13 |
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| pp_ | it's cheap | 18:22 |
| svuorela | I hurried to order it from my jolla phone while at work ... | 18:24 |
| Yaniel | and this is why you follow IRC from work :D | 18:25 |
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| M-schmittlauch | TLDR: Keylogger | 18:33 |
| M-schmittlauch | "Aber das Telefon war eingeschweißt!1!111!" | 18:33 |
| M-schmittlauch | sorry, wrong channel | 18:34 |
| Tofe | M-schmittlauch: well, it's still in the phone-world topic | 18:35 |
| M-schmittlauch | (: | 18:35 |
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| svuorela | could I have bought several ? | 18:45 |
| M-schmittlauch | FAQ says no | 18:45 |
| svuorela | ok. | 18:45 |
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| inte | Hi | 18:55 |
| inte | Just read about this Developer device but it appears to be sold out already:( | 18:56 |
| inte | When did this offer Start at all?? | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | this noon wasn't it? | 18:57 |
| inte | Don't know just back from work | 18:57 |
| inte | They sold 1000 already, or only the first 100 Batch? | 18:58 |
| fennekki | ohohoo | 18:58 |
| tadzik | . o O ( it's the tablet all over again /o\ ) | 18:59 |
| fennekki | the jolla c would've even been cheaper than this one | 18:59 |
| fennekki | shrugy, shrugy, I'd like one but it's not a huge deal | 18:59 |
| inte | I received my Tablet, everything is fine with that | 18:59 |
| inte | SCNR :) | 18:59 |
| Skooz | what'd I miss? people are talking abouy something fun, but I came in after mentioning what it was. | 19:00 |
| Skooz | I do know it's sold ouy though. | 19:00 |
| fennekki | it would've been interesting for devwork too with the dual sim etc. but whatever, I suppose | 19:00 |
| fennekki | like, seeing what you can do with that | 19:00 |
| johas | There will be ways to buy an Aqua Fish from India. Or we gotta wait for Fairphone to become cheaper and to run Sailfish ;) | 19:01 |
| fennekki | but dangit, 169 and free-of-charge shipping would've been hella neat | 19:01 |
| inte | Well 169€ is a pretty reasonable price | 19:01 |
| inte | Especially since my Jolla broke down recently, more or less | 19:01 |
| inte | It 2+ y old | 19:02 |
| fennekki | "leave your email here" and it just links to jolla.com | 19:02 |
| fennekki | hmmmm | 19:02 |
| inte | ID have even bought a normal Jolla phone again... | 19:02 |
| speactra | Skooz: check jolla.com and the community program announced today | 19:02 |
| johas | With the tablet, I got rid of all the hassles I am experiencing with my Jolla due to bad performance and memory. If this is what we can expect from Fairphone or Intex + Sailfish, then I am looking forward to it! | 19:02 |
| speactra | Skooz: sold out though | 19:03 |
| SQUelcher | inte: order #500013456 at 12:45, #500013723 at 14:36, i guess the 1000 are sold | 19:03 |
| inte | It's a bit odd to offer the phone only for that short period of time | 19:03 |
| inte | So people not on IRC frequently would have missed it for sure | 19:04 |
| inte | Or, people in a "real" Job... | 19:04 |
| speactra | 300 sold first 2 mins it seems | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | otoh this place is more active than ever | 19:05 |
| inte | Really sucks | 19:05 |
| johas | strange enough, i checked german IT news site and jolla.com frequently since yesterday because they had announced it. Just today, work left me kinda busy after 11 a.m. so i missed the right moment. :( | 19:05 |
| inte | I bought phone and Tablet and wasn't even noticed by Email about this offer | 19:05 |
| johas | don't get angry, inte. there will be successors. ;) | 19:06 |
| speactra | inte: developers got an mail this morning with a heads up | 19:06 |
| inte | Well I have no Jolla phone currently | 19:06 |
| speactra | i guess they are prio.. | 19:06 |
| inte | Speactra i only put some up on openrepos | 19:06 |
| inte | Im on Android mow, for the first time ever, after n900, n9 and Jolla and it really sucks | 19:07 |
| inte | But at least it's something people can eventually buy | 19:08 |
| Skooz | Oh well. I own a Nexus 5 on Sailfish because I missed Jolla phone by 6 hours (Waiting for payday back in April) | 19:08 |
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| inte | I was thinking about putting sfos on mine | 19:09 |
| inte | Skooz how is it going? | 19:09 |
| Skooz | (have since seen jolla phone on a community site ) | 19:09 |
| speactra | works very well on both nexus 4 and 5 | 19:09 |
| fennekki | speactra: by "developers" do you mean people who've already pushed apps onto the store | 19:09 |
| inte | Any Hack already to get the Android Apps? | 19:10 |
| johas | speactra: even call functionality, or are there issues worth mentioning? | 19:10 |
| Skooz | pretty well. sensors sometimes drain battery, but still lasts longer than the 2-3 days I had Android on it. | 19:10 |
| Skooz | not tried android apps - the older cm11 build has sfdroid support (which I run but havent added sfdroid) | 19:11 |
| inte | But isn't that only for game? | 19:11 |
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| Skooz | hm, not sure. havent looked into it :/ | 19:11 |
| speactra | johas: sfos works fine, not any problems worth mentioning. check sfdroid for amdroid support. no bt and sensors yet though | 19:12 |
| Skooz | I just wanted sfos :) | 19:12 |
| inte | If there is no Android Support anyways i might try kde as well | 19:12 |
| inte | Skooz i read the camera cannot do Videos? | 19:13 |
| inte | Record | 19:13 |
| inte | Speactra so does sfdroid Support every Kind of Apps, e.g. sth like ham radio Trainer? | 19:14 |
| inte | I'm currently preparing for my license Test... | 19:14 |
| speactra | inte: its cm 11 in a window so everything cm11 i guess | 19:15 |
| Skooz | on 2.0.0.10 on nexus 5, the video crashes when you stop recording. bluetooth mostly works (bit flaky, and crashed a Mac the other day) | 19:15 |
| inte | Well that really doesn't Sound like it's really useable | 19:16 |
| Skooz | also unable to access filesystem through usb so hard making a backup to update system to cm12.1 version. | 19:16 |
| speactra | inte: but sfdroid cant access the sensors yet, like gps | 19:16 |
| inte | I better wait for the next Dev device | 19:16 |
| Skooz | but I still use it all day every day :) | 19:16 |
| speactra | inte: or bt audio out | 19:17 |
| inte | Speactra i stay with androus | 19:17 |
| tadzik | crashing a mac sounds like a neat feature | 19:17 |
| inte | Android | 19:17 |
| speactra | inte: booring ;) | 19:17 |
| inte | I only need to learn how to uninstall all this Google crap | 19:17 |
| inte | I love my Jolla had it for more than 2y | 19:18 |
| inte | Even bought a new battery | 19:18 |
| Skooz | yea, tried to send a file via BT, it failed so i turned off bt on phone a d Mac said 'please force a reboot' | 19:18 |
| inte | But now the USB Port is broken | 19:18 |
| inte | Well, and the screen has a crack | 19:18 |
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| inte | I just wanted to by *any* new Jolla phone | 19:19 |
| Skooz | I'm sure someone was selling them on a commjnity site for cheapish. kne sec | 19:19 |
| Skooz | one* | 19:19 |
| speactra | i just bought a new jolla, unopened | 19:19 |
| speactra | found on tjc | 19:19 |
| inte | Where? | 19:20 |
| inte | Uh ok | 19:20 |
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| speactra | also check tmo | 19:20 |
| inte | I will maybe Post the story there | 19:20 |
| speactra | there is a guy right now selling new | 19:20 |
| inte | However, now when there is a new Dev device available ID rather go for that one | 19:21 |
| inte | Because of the specs | 19:21 |
| Skooz | boo, was talk.maemo - but ran out of new jollas yesterday. | 19:21 |
| inte | I'd bet it's somewhat faster | 19:21 |
| speactra | ah ok | 19:21 |
| inte | Ah ok | 19:21 |
| inte | Hehe | 19:21 |
| inte | Well anyways, Nokia will come up with new phones as well, and if Jolla doesn't want to sell me a device... | 19:22 |
| Skooz | Kinda like when I waited for pay day, checked stock the night beford and then jolla.com was out the next morning | 19:22 |
| Skooz | suckage. | 19:22 |
| inte | Yeah | 19:23 |
| Skooz | Nokia + sfos = a phone I'd buy without asking my conscience permission first. | 19:23 |
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| speactra | Skooz: +1 | 19:24 |
| louisdk | attah, it's sold out :P | 19:26 |
| attah | louisdk: yup, surprised it took so long | 19:27 |
| inte | Skooz true! | 19:27 |
| Skooz | Anyways, Nexus 5 with sfos does what I need for now. I'm sure 2.0.1.7/11 will add stuff. | 19:28 |
| Skooz | Kinda wish I could directly support Jolla to help make surd the company doesn't go under, but they don't have much to buy. | 19:29 |
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| Skooz | I'd take a couple of tshirts and a mousemat if they sold them. | 19:29 |
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| louisdk | attah, unlike Jolla C, the tablet was marked as a full supported consumer device with warranty and ready for everyday use. | 19:40 |
| inte | I barely Use mine | 19:41 |
| inte | It's a bit laggy | 19:41 |
| inte | But getting better | 19:41 |
| attah | mine is always out of battery when i want to use it.. but at least i do several times a week | 19:41 |
| inte | Hehe | 19:42 |
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| inte | Tablets are so oldschool anyways:) | 19:42 |
| jafar | Got in on the Jolla C. What's underneath? I am assuming they rebranded something existing? My Jolla starts to suffer from abuse so this comes at the right time for me | 19:44 |
| johas | I love my tablet. not because I use it alot, but because it shows the fantastic possibillities sailfish offers... | 19:44 |
| attah | Intex Aquafish? | 19:44 |
| inte | Jafar you catched one? | 19:44 |
| jafar | allright let's google | 19:44 |
| johas | jafar: confirmed to be Intex Aqua Fish by Jolla Oy. | 19:44 |
| inte | Does it have a toh? | 19:44 |
| attah | inte: "inte" xD | 19:45 |
| jafar | what's funny is that it's already sold out. Jolla has some hard core of undeniable fans | 19:45 |
| * inte thought the Aqua fish was not allowed for sale in EU? | 19:45 | |
| inte | Attah ok I understood that :) | 19:46 |
| attah | :) | 19:46 |
| johas | it is Aqua Fish hardware with Vanilla Sailfish | 19:46 |
| jafar | I love the no warranty stuff | 19:46 |
| jafar | wow wait it's dual sim? | 19:47 |
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| attah | jafar: it's standard in emerging markets | 19:47 |
| speactra | they dont sell the device. you get it if you join the community program. therefore no warranty | 19:48 |
| speactra | guess it doesnt have the required certifications for selling | 19:49 |
| inte | I want one without warranty | 19:49 |
| inte | Speactra that is exactly what I read elsewhere | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | if it doesn't have the right certifications i doubt you'd be even allowed to use it on a mobile network fwiw | 19:50 |
| speactra | its built for the indian market | 19:50 |
| speactra | Stskeeps: yea, doesnt know how that works.. | 19:50 |
| attah | although allowed vs actually actively discouraged is a whole other story | 19:51 |
| inte | Stskeeps well that would Ban Indian tourists travelling to the EU from Roaming here:) | 19:51 |
| speactra | true point | 19:51 |
| jafar | who cares. I've gone through the rabbit hole deep enough with Jolla so I just keep supporting them | 19:52 |
| jafar | glutton for punishment I believe is the saying? | 19:52 |
| attah | It seems meego/sailfish phones more or less halve in price for every time i get a new one | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | attah: next up, zero usd | 19:53 |
| Skooz | So something promised by another company in another country has been offered in Europe to check demand and vanishes within a few hours? | 19:54 |
| attah | Stskeeps: I'm not sure i'd like the way that could/would be realized | 19:54 |
| Skooz | probable that they'll get more at some point. | 19:54 |
| jafar | skooz : that seems a good description of what's going on | 19:55 |
| the_mgt | they sold intex devices? | 19:55 |
| jafar | yeah exactly 1000 of them | 19:56 |
| the_mgt | for what price? | 19:56 |
| jafar | now the bigger question, will they actually deliver them! | 19:56 |
| inte | 169 | 19:56 |
| the_mgt | fair | 19:56 |
| Skooz | hah, yea. | 19:56 |
| jafar | they should have charged 199 and made a profit at least on the thing | 19:56 |
| pp_ | if I didn't have two working phones, I might have got one :P | 19:56 |
| pp_ | AND a tablet | 19:56 |
| Skooz | heh, no such thing as too many phones... | 19:57 |
| inte | I have too few:( | 19:57 |
| pp_ | if there's no new software (eventually), both will be as useless eventually | 19:57 |
| pp_ | and if the boat flies again, there should be nice higher end models coming | 19:58 |
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| inte | I'm still anoyed they only sold them on that short notice!! | 20:02 |
| inte | Grr | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | meanwhile; GOOGLE'S USE OF THE DECLARING CODE AND SSO OF APIS IS FAIR USE | 20:06 |
| Yaniel- | the oracle case was solved? | 20:06 |
| nh1402 | they got away with it? | 20:06 |
| speactra | inte: check jolla.com, you can enter your email to get notified if they release more phones in the program | 20:06 |
| inte | Speactra that doesn't work | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | nh1402: just first instance | 20:09 |
| inte | Out of memory, probably:) | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | it'll probably be appealed | 20:09 |
| Armadillo | they're already sold out? | 20:09 |
| speactra | inte: hmm, i see. didnt click it at first | 20:09 |
| nh1402 | Oracle won't let it rest | 20:09 |
| speactra | Armadillo: yes | 20:09 |
| inte | Lol seems like the entire Channel is too late for the deal:) | 20:10 |
| speactra | i got one :) | 20:10 |
| M-schmittlauch | I cancelled my order :D | 20:10 |
| M-schmittlauch | Now throw stones at me | 20:11 |
| inte | Give it to me:) | 20:11 |
| Armadillo | inte I got one :P | 20:11 |
| M-schmittlauch | inte: Another person already asked me, I have to check how to do it there first | 20:12 |
| inte | Oh ok, Lucky you | 20:12 |
| M-schmittlauch | I just hope my Jolla1 will survive another year | 20:12 |
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| Armadillo | I'm sure my Jolla would ast another year, but I'm also sure that the battery won't | 20:13 |
| Armadillo | *last | 20:13 |
| inte | M-schmittlauch if really can transfer it just let me know, I'll take it | 20:14 |
| Yaniel- | I'm gonna keep my jolla as a media player on my desk :D | 20:14 |
| inte | My USB Port is eventually broken | 20:14 |
| speactra | Armadillo: you can buy a non official battery | 20:14 |
| inte | Second battery | 20:14 |
| Yaniel- | I just hope the usb port stays at least in good enough shape that wiggling the connector a bit gets it to charge | 20:15 |
| Armadillo | I could and maybe will | 20:15 |
| r0kk3rz | Yaniel-: rig something up to the internal charging pins? | 20:18 |
| Skooz | was there ever a Qi Toh? | 20:18 |
| r0kk3rz | Skooz: several, diy ones | 20:19 |
| Skooz | there shouldve been... | 20:19 |
| Skooz | i read that as dirty ones to begin with. | 20:19 |
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| Skooz | though some of the Qi hacks I've seen, both could apply | 20:20 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Skooz: use an sammy s4 and mount it backwards | 20:34 |
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