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| flux | hmm, I wonder why kswapd0 takes 99% cpu. nothing else does, nor do there seem to be any particular memory consumers either. | 08:42 |
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| Stskeeps | zram | 08:42 |
| flux | explains why my battery seems to drain to fast :) | 08:42 |
| flux | zram what? it compresses in the background? | 08:43 |
| * pp_ pats his even-more-than-jolla-tablet-limited edition lastu case | 08:43 | |
| flux | well, you were probably correct ;), I just killed everyhing (from the gui), among them a web browser, and kswapd stopped working so hard | 08:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | flux: zram is compressed ram drive as swap space | 09:02 |
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| flux | yes, I know that, but I would expect it to do work only when something else is doing it (ie. allocating memory).. | 09:08 |
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| flux | perhaps some of them were allocating, but their cpu load was dwarfed by kswapd (due to them being blocked while the swapper does its work) | 09:08 |
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| inte | hello | 11:28 |
| inte | long time ... :) | 11:28 |
| inte | my jolla recently broke down, more or less | 11:28 |
| inte | and the shop seems to be out of stock for a while | 11:29 |
| inte | is there any chance to grep a new jolla phone elsewhere? | 11:29 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC Amazon used to have them | 11:30 |
| inte | M4rtinK: out of stock as well | 11:30 |
| pp_ | probably used one, intex import or turing :( | 11:33 |
| pp_ | I have a < 5 min used replacement one, but probably keeping it as a spare :-) | 11:34 |
| inte | pp_: lucky you :) | 11:34 |
| inte | so, what about those intex or turing phones? | 11:34 |
| inte | are they for real? | 11:34 |
| pp_ | intex isn't shipping yet and not CE certified, apparently | 11:35 |
| pp_ | and it could be turing is a tablet 2.0 ;) | 11:35 |
| inte | hu :( | 11:35 |
| inte | well, I have a tablet :) | 11:35 |
| inte | still pretty few apps though | 11:35 |
| M4rtinK | also Fairphone 2 | 11:35 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC even the current community port works well | 11:36 |
| inte | M4rtinK: I hear fairphone was an unoffical port like on nexus | 11:36 |
| inte | no android app support | 11:36 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 11:37 |
| inte | i only wonder where Jolla got those 12Mil from. How are they going to pay it back if they are not even selling anything? | 11:37 |
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| Bysmyyr | license fees | 11:38 |
| inte | are they licensing anything? | 11:39 |
| * tadzik wonders what'd the cost of Android Support if you were to put it in Play Store | 11:39 | |
| tadzik | err | 11:39 |
| tadzik | Jolla Store | 11:39 |
| inte | tadzik: yeah that would be cool | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: bigger question is how much people would pay for it.. | 11:39 |
| inte | im on a nexus 5 since yesterday (my first android device ever) and it is really a pain | 11:40 |
| tadzik | right, I guess porting (?) it requires effort and money in the first place | 11:40 |
| inte | i think ill put sfos on it next week | 11:40 |
| tadzik | I assume that aliendalvik-the-company (?) just takes a fixed sum and allows you to use it on a certain device? | 11:41 |
| inte | Stskeeps: well i guess the company behind aliendalvik (forgot its name) wouldnt mind getting some extra cash | 11:41 |
| inte | and it shouldnt be too much of porting | 11:41 |
| tadzik | famous last words :P | 11:41 |
| inte | :) | 11:42 |
| inte | MYDRIAD! | 11:42 |
| inte | i guess | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | myriad | 11:42 |
| inte | or sth similar | 11:42 |
| inte | ah | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | inte: well, for various reasons i doubt they could do that :) | 11:43 |
| inte | ok, nevermind :) | 11:43 |
| LarstiQ | as long as it isn't the Dyad institute | 11:43 |
| tadzik | no, "mydriad" is what those evil wizards from Baldur's Gate said... | 11:43 |
| inte | hehe | 11:43 |
| tadzik | oh no, those were nymphs | 11:43 |
| inte | at least there appears to be a workaround to make some android games work | 11:44 |
| tadzik | there's also sfdroid | 11:45 |
| tadzik | not sure how well it works | 11:45 |
| r0kk3rz | sfdroid is more like running two operating systems at the same time | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | nowhere near as integrated as alien-dalvik | 11:49 |
| PeperJohnny | what about shashlik? anyone fiddling with it? | 11:50 |
| tadzik | I haven't heard about it before now,but it seems pretty tasty | 11:53 |
| tadzik | and apparently someone is fiddling with it: https://together.jolla.com/question/99660/using-shashlink-to-run-android-apps-on-sailfish/ | 11:54 |
| r0kk3rz | PeperJohnny: initial googling suggests its 64bit only at the moment | 11:54 |
| PeperJohnny | Oh ok | 11:54 |
| r0kk3rz | which makes things difficult, as sfos is 32bit only | 11:55 |
| sharpneli | Why is it 32bit only btw? | 11:55 |
| tadzik | oh, reminds me that I really want a good, ol' T9 keyboard.. | 11:55 |
| tadzik | would probably require messing somewhat with the prediction engine though | 11:56 |
| r0kk3rz | sharpneli: thats not entirely accurate, but aarch64 doesnt work right now | 11:56 |
| r0kk3rz | and i think even tablet userland is 32bit | 11:56 |
| sharpneli | Which is a weird choice in the end. | 11:57 |
| entil | is the kernel 64-bit? | 11:57 |
| entil | it is an heirloom kernel, after all | 11:57 |
| r0kk3rz | sharpneli: it probably has implications for dalvik or somesuch | 12:00 |
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| inte | i haven't heard any rumors, but is there a chance of jolla releasing a Jolla 2 phone some time soon? | 12:22 |
| ln- | there isn't | 12:22 |
| pp_ | there's some "device related news" coming, but I doubt it's that | 12:22 |
| inte | pp_: you got a source or something? | 12:23 |
| inte | i wonder if there is still a slight chance of Jolla collaborating with Nokia to release a new device | 12:23 |
| r0kk3rz | pp_: sledges mentioned a "mystery device", but who knows until something is actually announced | 12:25 |
| pp_ | Dr. Saarnio comments: “We are soon announcing the program officially, but what I can say | 12:25 |
| pp_ | already now is that it will include a special device related treat for our fans. I personally | 12:25 |
| pp_ | can’t wait to announce it! Our team is tweaking the offering now – look out for the | 12:25 |
| pp_ | announcement in a few weeks.” | 12:25 |
| pp_ | ok, there was the translation program | 12:25 |
| M4rtinK | "soon" has been used - it could take years for this to surface ;-) | 12:26 |
| inte | so, when was that announcement? | 12:26 |
| entil | :D | 12:27 |
| entil | jolla announcement quality guaranteed | 12:27 |
| pp_ | https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/NewFinancing_press_release_April2016_FINAL_68.pdf | 12:27 |
| entil | saarnio should hire a speechwriter | 12:27 |
| inte | well ok so thats about a month ago, nice | 12:28 |
| inte | there *could* be something in the makings | 12:28 |
| inte | maybe an officially supported fairphone | 12:29 |
| inte | jolla branded | 12:29 |
| inte | i dont think they have the capacity to develop an entire device from the scratch | 12:30 |
| inte | funny thing, by the way: I keep getting the emails prompting me to apply for the refund of my tablet order | 12:30 |
| inte | I received my tablet, though | 12:30 |
| inte | so, if I'd apply for the refound, will I eventually end up with a free tablet? :) | 12:31 |
| LarstiQ | inte: what do you mean, "keep getting"? | 12:31 |
| inte | the last was from last month i guess | 12:31 |
| inte | called "final notice" | 12:31 |
| LarstiQ | inte: I expect that to be last one :) | 12:32 |
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| LarstiQ | well, maybe till the second round of refunds | 12:32 |
| inte | i didnt apply for the refund but if i had... dont know what would have happend | 12:32 |
| LarstiQ | inte: you'd get 50% of (contributions - delivered) | 12:33 |
| Bysmyyr | inte: if you got tablet, then no money | 12:33 |
| inte | is it ment to be that way even though I recived the tablet? | 12:33 |
| inte | Bysmyyr: yes exactely so why do I get those invitations | 12:33 |
| Bysmyyr | I think they send them through indiegogo where they do not have info who is going to get it | 12:34 |
| r0kk3rz | inte: a number of tablet recipients got the emails too, dont worry | 12:34 |
| LarstiQ | inte: there also were people who got their tablets but had more contributions, they'd get the rest refunded | 12:35 |
| LarstiQ | inte: so as r0kk3rz said, you're in a normal situation | 12:35 |
| inte | ah so it is doublechecked anytime within the process :) | 12:35 |
| inte | I was just thinking - if Microsoft is eventually going to release cyanogen-mod-phones with pureview technologie, it would be really nice to have sfos running on top :) | 12:38 |
| inte | then, nokia-hw and nokia-sw are united again ;) | 12:38 |
| r0kk3rz | is it really nokia hw though? | 12:40 |
| inte | well I guess microsoft accquired the hardware branch, so somewhat it is :) | 12:41 |
| inte | even though they closed the finland factory recently, didn't they? | 12:42 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe thats enough of a tangent for nokia fans i guess, but i would still argue that the nokia of old doesnt really exist anymore | 12:43 |
| inte | true | 12:45 |
| inte | I really loved my n900 and my n9 | 12:45 |
| inte | and, sadely, never got a hand on a n950 :( | 12:45 |
| inte | btw, M$ is going to sell the Nokia featurephone branch to Foxconn | 12:46 |
| inte | LOL | 12:46 |
| pp_ | n950 would have been nice as a non-prototype, but it wasn't really for daily use the way it ended up | 12:46 |
| inte | those are the best phones M$ sells at present ;) | 12:46 |
| inte | pp_: yes if they would a brought it to market, together with the n9 and worldwide, it would have probably been a success | 12:47 |
| inte | reminds me of the Palm Foleo, which was the first netbook ever produced but never entered the market | 12:47 |
| inte | roughly 2y before the netbook boom started | 12:48 |
| r0kk3rz | inte: look at blackberry, im not sure even the n9/50 could have saved nokia | 12:52 |
| Bysmyyr | nokias problem was managers | 12:54 |
| leinir | Nokia's problem was plural | 12:55 |
| leinir | but that's difficult to fit into a tweet ;) | 12:55 |
| citylight2 | after upgrading to the new 2.0.1.11 connections to the new wifi hangs. did anyone else had this issue? | 12:56 |
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| inte | r0kk3rz: blackberry had their very special business modell, based on the blackberry services | 12:59 |
| Kabouik | Guys I'm trying to use RNDIS shared internet on a Windows computer, and it is properly installed, but all I guet is "Unidentified network", and the status says "No internet access" in both IPV4 and IPV6. What should I do? | 13:00 |
| inte | that were some kind of hidden sms that notified to the phones that new emails were available | 13:00 |
| inte | resulting in standby times of days | 13:00 |
| inte | if not weeks | 13:00 |
| inte | and, blackberry was a business phone | 13:00 |
| r0kk3rz | inte: agreed they are diffierent, but they still have an enviable market position, didnt do anything drastically wrong, and got their lunch eaten | 13:01 |
| inte | business people wanted the iphone, and there was no certain advantage in using bb10 devices any more, since the bb service was not available any longer | 13:01 |
| r0kk3rz | s/have/had | 13:02 |
| inte | well nokia was more for the people, they had an excellent position in the market and they were partnering with e.g. intel to release meego on a variaty of devices | 13:03 |
| inte | there even was a meego tablet by (i guess) toshiba in 2010 | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: set address manually maybe | 13:03 |
| inte | there was no windows | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: also, it won't have "internet" access | 13:03 |
| inte | and android wasnt really that big | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: as it's not set up to internet? | 13:03 |
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| Kabouik | What address should I pick Stskeeps? It's weird because it used to work, and I didn't change anything (except last SF upgrade) | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: are you doing tethering or which | 13:04 |
| Kabouik | That's what I'm trying to do yes | 13:04 |
| inte | i firmly believe that meego would have had the power to stay in the market and even to grep a share from the desktop market eventually | 13:04 |
| inte | since device are more cloud-based nowadays and windows compatibility is not necessary on the desktop | 13:05 |
| inte | thats why elop stepped in and destroyed nokia | 13:05 |
| inte | my opinion | 13:05 |
| inte | :) | 13:05 |
| inte | need to grep lunch | 13:05 |
| inte | laters | 13:05 |
| Kabouik | Is it possible that the connection was automatically set to "Public" in Windows crappy network manager? I didn't have the pop-up about Public/private network, which kinds of makes me wonder. | 13:07 |
| r0kk3rz | Kabouik: sometimes it gets stuck on 'identifying' | 13:08 |
| Kabouik | It hung for about 1 min, but then managed to pass this step | 13:08 |
| Kabouik | http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/71408-unidentified-networks-set-private-public.html I'll try this | 13:09 |
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| Kabouik | Still having the issue with RNDIS tethering. First, I changed it to private (which is a real pain in Seven... Seriously, I don't get the logic in this network manager), but still don't have internet access. | 13:33 |
| Kabouik | The problem might be the identification step, I can see that it hangs for a long time. What is it related to? | 13:34 |
| inte | re | 13:38 |
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| jaywalk | here we go, the jolla tablet back in my hand - repaired! \o/ | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | they can be repaired? | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:00 |
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| jaywalk | Stskeeps: apparently! i broke my screen after one week of use, and jolla unbroke it for me:) | 17:10 |
| jaywalk | (i payed them to do it, but still happy that they even could) | 17:11 |
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| sakustar | how muh | 18:37 |
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| nh1402 | yes | 18:41 |
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| pdanek | !seen TMavica | 18:53 |
| merbot | pdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 2 weeks, 4 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <TMavica> tomorrow | 18:53 |
| coderus | still looking for tmavica here? :D | 18:59 |
| coderus | why? | 18:59 |
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| attah | Umm.. so I think i had the auto-ignore bug today, and I'm on 2.0.1.11 Has anyone else seen it in this release? | 19:13 |
| kimmoli | nope | 19:15 |
| attah | Hmm, I guess I'll wait for it to happen again to report it | 19:15 |
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| attah | ...and while I'm at it, does anyone else have issues with the tablet WiFi not coming out of snail-paced sleepmode? | 19:17 |
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| kimmoli | even if you turn screen on? | 19:20 |
| attah | yup | 19:21 |
| attah | have to toggle wifi | 19:21 |
| attah | i was a total idiot and accepted this as answered https://together.jolla.com/question/114635/tablet-dropssuspends-wifi/ after reproducing both ssh and cutespot issues with the phone.. | 19:23 |
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| attah | however.. the tablet sticks in that mode if it has been of for a long-ish time, whereas the phone does not (i.e. it always works to turn the screen on) | 19:25 |
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| tux|dude | How many applications are available on the jolla store out of curiosity | 23:54 |
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