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| citylight2 | hi, When I connect my jolla to my laptop , I no longer see a new device | 09:52 |
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| citylight2 | I upgreded to ubuntu 16.04 | 09:52 |
| citylight2 | what service offers the jolla as device over usb? | 09:53 |
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| kjetilho | citylight2: it depends on what you select | 09:54 |
| citylight2 | I select PC connection | 09:55 |
| citylight2 | its my default | 09:55 |
| r0kk3rz | citylight2: MTP | 09:58 |
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| HtheB | guys, I can't upgrade my phone to the newest EA | 10:47 |
| HtheB | it keeps on saying optimize, even when it's done optimizing | 10:47 |
| HtheB | any idea what the problem might be? | 10:48 |
| r0kk3rz | HtheB: 'optimising' is code for 'btrfs balancing' is it not? | 10:54 |
| cehteh | how much space is used? | 10:55 |
| cehteh | maybe remove some big files which are not needed/backup them | 10:56 |
| cehteh | videos/jpegs | 10:56 |
| cehteh | then try again | 10:56 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: yeah | 10:57 |
| HtheB | cehteh: hmmm, I do have around 2GB left on my phone | 10:57 |
| HtheB | but the problem is: I dont get any error or what so ever | 10:57 |
| cehteh | thats btrfs for you | 10:58 |
| HtheB | what if a normal consumer has this problem | 10:58 |
| cehteh | yeah | 10:58 |
| r0kk3rz | HtheB: yeah it would be nice if it gave you something meaningful, but i guess the 'normal consumer' would have to take it to TJC | 11:00 |
| cehteh | btrfs is very good at swallowing errors :) .. a friend reported that he rsynced data to a backupserver with a hosed btrfs ... it happily copied over and over, but nothing got stored, no error reported | 11:00 |
| r0kk3rz | cehteh: this isnt a btrfs issue as such, this is a jolla tooling issue | 11:01 |
| cehteh | its just too imature | 11:01 |
| cehteh | r0kk3rz: nothing the tools can do when they dont receive any errors from the FS | 11:01 |
| r0kk3rz | cehteh: there is obviously something its watching, otherwise it would go 'ok balancing done, download update' | 11:02 |
| cehteh | i may agree this should show progress, logs, errors, even to a normal user thats better than silently fail | 11:02 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than ask to do balancing again | 11:02 |
| r0kk3rz | but as a failure mode, continuously balancing is better than a bootloop which we have had in the past | 11:02 |
| cehteh | thats the problem with btrfs .. you query if balancing is necessary... returns yes.. start balancing .. you can wait for it to finish .. | 11:03 |
| cehteh | but it doesnt report if it was successful | 11:03 |
| cehteh | in some cases this can be fixed by freeing some space | 11:03 |
| HtheB | ok | 11:03 |
| * HtheB is going to free up some space | 11:04 | |
| r0kk3rz | cehteh: sure, but jolla chose btrfs, warts and all, so its up to them to create a good experience | 11:04 |
| * cehteh tried to put as much data as possible on the sd card, lessen the load on the btrfs | 11:04 | |
| cehteh | wayland, systemd, btrfs .. *brrr* .. | 11:05 |
| r0kk3rz | although, i would be surprised if the aqua fish uses it, so it will probably be a lesson learned | 11:05 |
| cehteh | but btrfs was certainly the worst of those choices | 11:05 |
| cehteh | not that i am opposing btrfs, i'd really like to see it stable | 11:05 |
| cehteh | but its not there yet | 11:05 |
| cehteh | and the jolla kernel isnt really the newest one or? | 11:06 |
| cehteh | the tablet uses ext4 | 11:06 |
| cehteh | i'd liketo see f2fs .. and maybe overlayfs on squashfs for the stable image | 11:07 |
| r0kk3rz | cehteh: systemd is a good choice for a phone, and i dont think they had a choice with wayland as such | 11:07 |
| cehteh | i don like systemd, but i agree its ok on a phone, same for wayland | 11:07 |
| cehteh | that choices are ok and dont make real problems except that i am systemd-legasthenic.. but that fault is mine not systemd | 11:08 |
| cehteh | (still i dont like systemd) | 11:08 |
| cehteh | anyway .. its ok | 11:08 |
| r0kk3rz | actually, systemd was a requirement as well really | 11:08 |
| cehteh | but btfs is really a doubtful decision | 11:09 |
| r0kk3rz | they needed to ondemand services it provides | 11:09 |
| cehteh | yes ok there | 11:09 |
| cehteh | btrfs is the big probelm | 11:09 |
| r0kk3rz | you can hack udev to do something like that, but better to use systemd | 11:09 |
| cehteh | i would really ship factory images in a squashfs partition, then overlay a f2fs for updates and /home | 11:11 |
| cehteh | maybe even stage 2 squashfs over each other .. bottom the rescure/default image, inbetween OS updates, on top ongoing stuff | 11:13 |
| HtheB | balancing again\ | 11:14 |
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| aard_ | cehteh: the overlay approach is a bit more tricky with the way apps work, and the ability to pull in dependencies from core os from apps, combined with that you'd still want to be able to update the base image | 11:16 |
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| cehteh | aard_: should be not, it only adds a rescue layer which allows a complete reset | 11:17 |
| aard_ | cehteh: in your description you'd use that image and put an overlay on top of that. that'd blow up if you'd just replace the rescue image | 11:19 |
| cehteh | the bottom rescue image should never be replaced | 11:20 |
| cehteh | if using a intermediate 'updates' image, then one needs some cleaner for that yes | 11:20 |
| aard_ | you don't want to drop people into an ancient image on recovery (that's exactly one of the things which never got integrated on jolla/btrfs. most of the code is there, but then stuff happened) | 11:21 |
| cehteh | jolla currently does that ... when HtheB cant fix this he has to do a factory reset which drops him into some ancient image | 11:21 |
| r0kk3rz | aard_: not to mention all the problems that happened with the store once you got thrown back to prehistory | 11:22 |
| cehteh | but i tihnk thats still better than a bricked device | 11:22 |
| aard_ | cehteh: read the stuff between parentheses | 11:22 |
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| cehteh | thats why i suggested a intermediate image, instead a full factory reset to ancient one can reset to some 'last known good' state .. of course getting a vanilla install from that, loosing all installed apps and configurations (but hopefully not userdata) | 11:23 |
| aard_ | cehteh: we planned to provide a UI to do btrfs snapshots in addition to backups for exactly that, but again, wasn't seen as priority until it started hurting, and then stuff happened | 11:25 |
| cehteh | thats futile as long btrfs is not stable enough | 11:25 |
| cehteh | better using other facilites for that | 11:26 |
| cehteh | so i am happy that this didnt happend, btrfs feature list is great, one could do everything i saied with btrfs, seed device for rescue image, snapshots and so on | 11:27 |
| cehteh | but what does it help when btrfs is not stable | 11:27 |
| cehteh | i really *wish* btrfs would work .. for servers, hook in raid disks at runtime, mixed capacity, choose different raid levels for data/metadata, even per subvolume | 11:29 |
| cehteh | thats all awesome .. but still, if the filesystem damages over time or silently looses data or doesnt report errors, its not useable | 11:29 |
| r0kk3rz | cehteh: hindsight is 20/20 | 11:32 |
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| citylight2 | hm.. I can not play H264 MPEG-4-AVC on my jolla, yet it does appear in https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202015443-Which-kinds-of-media-music-video-files-does-Jolla-support- | 11:51 |
| tbr | citylight2: that may depend on which profile that file is encoded in | 11:54 |
| citylight2 | I see profile 10, which profile should I transcode to? | 11:57 |
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| HtheB | still no luck :( | 12:35 |
| HtheB | i just cant update :(:( | 12:35 |
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| niccs | Anyone received refunds yet? | 15:16 |
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| Yaniel | "Your refund is currently being processed and informations here can not be changed at the moment." | 15:17 |
| Yaniel | that's new | 15:18 |
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| Lieke | James Noorion April 29, 2016 at 5:28 pm: The refunds are being made starting today :) | 15:25 |
| Lieke | in latest blog comments | 15:26 |
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| MikeHG_ | Hi. Are there any working call apps / methods to block calls from a specific number? | 18:35 |
| coderus | MikeHG_: there is a ScumStopper app | 18:36 |
| MikeHG_ | I've found scumstopper, but it looks abandoned | 18:36 |
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| MikeHG_ | OK, found 'Phonehook' which has more recent activity and reports of success, I'll give that a go. | 18:55 |
| MikeHG_ | Thanks anyway coderus. | 18:56 |
| coderus | MikeHG_: abaddoned? some software just works without any updates because it built solid. | 19:01 |
| MikeHG_ | Sure, but there are reports (seemingly acknowledged by the author) that it had stopped working... | 19:02 |
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