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| mornfall | so, the tablet is supposed to arrive today... no word yet whether they want or don't want the 'customs insurance fee' | 08:54 |
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| mornfall | it'll be fun if they show up at my door demanding cash :P | 08:54 |
| phlixi | if you are sure that you really want the tablet, maybe you better be prepared to pay something :D | 08:55 |
| mornfall | I have about 4€ worth of cash on me... | 08:56 |
| mornfall | if I leave house to get more, they are bound to show up when I'm not here | 08:56 |
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| kimmoli | in spain, UPS collected VAT in cash during delivery | 09:27 |
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| mornfall | kimmoli: so for UPS deliveries, jolla didn't charge the VAT? | 10:05 |
| * mornfall already paypal'd VAT before the tablet was sent | 10:06 | |
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| kimmoli | mornfall: that was not Jolla delivery. afaiu not using UPS, just reporting (sorry for confuscation) | 10:08 |
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| mornfall | I see... yes, if you import and the sender is not paying VAT, you have to, one way or another | 10:08 |
| mornfall | some delivery companies at least have the decency to notify you ahead of time that they'll want cash upon delivery though | 10:09 |
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| mornfall | \o/ no extra fee... | 11:59 |
| mornfall | also, 'please sign with your finger' that has to be a first | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 11:59 |
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| kimmoli | mornfall ? stylus lost? | 12:01 |
| mornfall | kimmoli: dunno, didn't seem to be the case... it looked like an off the shelf smartphone | 12:03 |
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| mornfall | nifty | 12:17 |
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| jaywalk | mornfall: I've met some of those, even worse than the slowly updating stylus that creates random straight lines:)) | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | jaywalk: i still wonder how they can make out my name from the stylus signature | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:25 |
| kimmoli | does someone actually draw there something else than X ? | 12:25 |
| jaywalk | it really is all about "well we're required to have a signature" and not about even looking like a signature, much less being readable | 12:25 |
| jaywalk | kimmoli: I do my best but it doesn't look like anything I could recognize:) | 12:26 |
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| PaulePanter | phlixi_o: A late thank you for your response. That’s very sad, that security updates do not get published. | 12:56 |
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| phlixi_o | your welcome :-) | 13:05 |
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| pog | I'm wondring, wether there is a way to make an app "undeletable" by the normal jolla app handling. for example the console, I always close it by error. | 16:40 |
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| pog | are there native music instruments with touch input? | 16:52 |
| pog | would be interested in a mobile Piano when i'm practising singing. :-) | 16:54 |
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| pog | I'm also wondring, how to create a "hello World" native jolla app. Is there a place with tutorials? | 17:02 |
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| tadzik | try https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Application_Development :) | 17:04 |
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| sakustar | or coderus's github i heard | 17:16 |
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| kimmoli | pog: disable fast app closing by swipe? globally from settings. | 17:55 |
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| mornfall | hmm, is there also x86 openrepos? | 18:48 |
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| coderus | openrepos is for all | 18:56 |
| coderus | all depends on publishers itself | 18:56 |
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| pdanek | Guys, does anyone here have Pay as you go Three UK sim? | 20:38 |
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| phlixi | hi pdanek :-) | 20:42 |
| phlixi | i dont have one, but i remember a guy recommending one to me for the case i travel to uk | 20:42 |
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| phlixi | cheap data no strings attached | 20:42 |
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| phlixi | (contrary to situation in germany here, where mobile data is sick) | 20:43 |
| phlixi | but to answer your question: no | 20:43 |
| phlixi | :D | 20:43 |
| fferner | pdanek, yes, I've got one, why? | 20:44 |
| phlixi | there you go :-) | 20:44 |
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| pdanek | fferner: with pay as you go, the data plan doesn't work for tethering | 20:57 |
| pdanek | simply the built-in tethering on android won't work on it | 20:57 |
| pdanek | only pre-paid has tethering | 20:57 |
| pdanek | Does the tethering work for you with Sailfish? | 20:57 |
| pdanek | I wonder if they only locked it somehow for Android/iPhone and if it will work on Sailfish | 20:58 |
| pdanek | I'm currently without Sailfish phone until Intex, so I can't test | 20:58 |
| phlixi | i know for sure that for ios those "you are not allowed to tether" (stupid) things are realised via so called provider profiles, that is stuff you get via the network on to the sim (SMS) | 21:03 |
| pdanek | phlixi: btw my average mobile data usage (without tethering) is about 15GB monthly | 21:04 |
| fferner | pdanek: I never tried tethering. (and don't have any android env on my Jolla phone). | 21:04 |
| phlixi | i would be quite surprised if the jolla respects any such stuff | 21:04 |
| pdanek | fferner: you don't need android environment for tethering, it's built in in sailfish | 21:04 |
| pdanek | if you enable it, like tether with wifi, then you can connect to your phone's wifi with laptop/pc | 21:05 |
| phlixi | i already tried a lot of data sims in germany, never any problem with wlan hotspot nor blue tooth tethering (while i did the latter practically no more since jolla as wlan ap works pretty well) | 21:05 |
| pdanek | right | 21:05 |
| phlixi | ...while iphonies always complain about "i am not alowed to tether" | 21:05 |
| pdanek | good | 21:05 |
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| fferner | never tried it, though IIRC their T&C for PAYG mentions no tethering. | 21:05 |
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| phlixi | so, i am sorry, no defenite answer, just a strong guess, i expect the jolla to ignore any such constraints | 21:06 |
| pdanek | right | 21:06 |
| phlixi | as far as i understand it doesnt matter wether they allow it or not | 21:06 |
| fferner | when I'm out where I need 3G/4G, I tend to be without a laptop... | 21:06 |
| pdanek | phlixi: for pay as you go SIM with unlimited mobile data, how much would you pay monthly in Germany? | 21:06 |
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| pdanek | fferner: I carry laptop a lot.... but my back doesn't like me for that | 21:07 |
| phlixi | its a iphone thing. but no idea if android is doing that now in the meantime also, as if google had to buckle the network providers in the meantime | 21:07 |
| phlixi | there is no such thing as "unlimited data" in germany | 21:08 |
| pdanek | phlixi: I have android and tethering doesn't work for me on Three UK, so YES :) | 21:08 |
| pdanek | that's why I asked about Sailfish | 21:08 |
| fferner | ... especially as with TOHKB and terminal, most of my needs are covered. | 21:08 |
| pdanek | phlixi: whatttt | 21:08 |
| phlixi | i pay 12EUR for 1gig, and every other month 5eur for another 500mb. all calls and sms (which i both rarely use) 9c per minute/sms | 21:08 |
| pdanek | so how can you use HQ youtube all day long? | 21:08 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:08 |
| mornfall | 12€ a GB is pretty steep | 21:09 |
| phlixi | thta is quite cheap for t mobile, you get maybe for half the price contracts (or more likely same price but double the data) at "eplus but they have shitty net | 21:09 |
| pdanek | in Ireland with three IE | 21:09 |
| pdanek | I could simply to-up my credit by 20EUR and I got unlimited data for 30 days | 21:10 |
| phlixi | :-) | 21:10 |
| pdanek | but.... that's just free bonus, those 20 EUR I could still use for calls or whatever | 21:10 |
| pdanek | only because toping up minimum 20, unlimited data for free | 21:10 |
| mornfall | well it does mean you have to spend those 20€ a month :-) | 21:10 |
| pdanek | UK is more expensive, but still acceptable | 21:10 |
| pdanek | mornfall: yep | 21:11 |
| phlixi | ...btw, my plan has LTE excluted... there is no cheap data in germany :-) if you want LTE it gets much more expensive | 21:12 |
| pdanek | oh | 21:12 |
| pdanek | LTE is standard for me | 21:12 |
| pdanek | 3G is slow | 21:12 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:12 |
| pdanek | but it eats battery | 21:12 |
| phlixi | i dont care about speed | 21:12 |
| phlixi | 7mbit is more than enough for me | 21:12 |
| phlixi | rarely downloading a podcast, so it doesnt matter if that takes 30seconds or 2 minutes | 21:13 |
| phlixi | for surfing etc it makes no difference, and youtube is also not problem | 21:14 |
| pdanek | last month I tried to only buy 12GB + some shit load of SMS/calls in it (which I don't utilize much) | 21:14 |
| pdanek | and after 2.5 weeks I received message that my data is gone :D | 21:14 |
| phlixi | ^^ | 21:14 |
| pdanek | so I guess I just need unlimited on phone | 21:14 |
| pdanek | I commute a lot and listening/watching to youtube is couple hours per day | 21:15 |
| pdanek | + sometimes twitch.tv, + many Skype calls.... + I never really care to switch my phone to Wifi when updating apps etc... too much work | 21:15 |
| phlixi | lol, skype | 21:16 |
| pdanek | yeah, have to use Skype, unfortunately | 21:16 |
| phlixi | if you dont use a vpn, tmobile detects that and destroys your call after 2 seconds | 21:16 |
| pdanek | sometimes other things to call | 21:16 |
| pdanek | oh really | 21:16 |
| phlixi | voip not alowed and activly blocked here | 21:16 |
| phlixi | i guess you can "buy" that | 21:17 |
| pdanek | Germany is tough | 21:17 |
| phlixi | just like tethering options for iphone and what not | 21:17 |
| phlixi | but vpn fixes that | 21:17 |
| pdanek | yep | 21:17 |
| phlixi | i think its impudence, i pay for gigs and they want to double dip on voip, they shoulndt bother what i use my bytes for... | 21:18 |
| phlixi | same for tethering | 21:18 |
| phlixi | assholes.. | 21:19 |
| pdanek | what I don't like is that.... mobile operators are always as bad as the country's market is | 21:19 |
| pdanek | you can have brilliant T-Mobile plan in one country | 21:19 |
| pdanek | and horrible T-Mobile is another country | 21:20 |
| pdanek | in* | 21:20 |
| phlixi | if everyone would say "here have lots of gigabytes, costs 15eur each" i would pay that, insdtead of 10. but if they decide to mock me and let me pay for everything again, like voip another 5 and tethering another 5, then screw you, i take the cheap advertised for 10 and do the rest without asking for it | 21:20 |
| phlixi | i always laugh when i hear about the "uncarrier" stuff they do in us | 21:21 |
| pdanek | US is contract-heavy I guess | 21:22 |
| phlixi | yes, | 21:22 |
| pdanek | not worth to be pay-as-you-go there | 21:22 |
| phlixi | but there tmobile is the underdog | 21:22 |
| pdanek | I don't like contracts | 21:22 |
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| phlixi | neither do i | 22:38 |
| phlixi | (as long as i am the customer^^) | 22:38 |
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