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| tadzik | hmm, I wish the "remind me" calendar option was a bit more granulated | 08:14 |
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| tadzik | for a flight, "2 hours before" is too late, "1 day before" is too early | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: ah, i thought you wanted plug-in ability to wire up things like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXLzfAHl4-k | 08:15 |
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| tadzik | Stskeeps: oooh, is there an Other Half for that? :D | 08:34 |
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| Stskeeps | tadzik: i'm sure dirkvl could conjure one up | 08:35 |
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| tadzik | onto the SlapStarter! | 08:37 |
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| dirkvl | Stskeeps: you could just hire me to slap you in the face every morning | 08:55 |
| dirkvl | no problemo | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | dirkvl: hehe | 08:55 |
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| rigo | Hi everybody, I broke my N9 on Saturday. And now I wanted to buy a jolla. But they say "out of stock". Given jolla's notorious weaknesses in communications, does that mean they don't do phones anymore? | 10:54 |
| Jope | I can sell you another n9 if you like :-D | 10:56 |
| Raim | rigo: they have been out of stock before, but nobody knows if and when they will add Jolla phones to the store this time... | 10:56 |
| rigo | :(( | 10:57 |
| ln- | have they actually manufactured new phones during the past few years, or were they just selling a big stock they had? | 10:57 |
| tbr | what people mentioned in mfg dates, it looks like they had a lot of stock since early on | 10:58 |
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| rigo | hm, Raim any clue who to write to to get information about whether they will sell phones again? | 11:14 |
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| Yaniel | considering they split hw things off I find it unlikely | 11:15 |
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| Raim | rigo: sorry, no idea. I also only watching this from the outside... | 11:43 |
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| Venemo | hey | 12:43 |
| Venemo | I added a proposal to the community irc meething thing | 12:45 |
| Venemo | how do I know if it's gonna be accepted? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think i've ever heard of any that was rejected | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | but generally show up and the answer may be can't say | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:46 |
| Venemo | heheheh | 12:47 |
| Venemo | I wouldn't be surprised | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see a proposal? | 12:47 |
| M4rtinK | or it will be done soon (tm) - and never mentioned ever again anywhere ;-) | 12:48 |
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| tbr | Venemo: while Stskeeps is right, I've seen repeatedly that Jolla didn't give the least and there either was nobody who could respond or people were squirming because they had no answer they could share, etc. | 12:57 |
| tbr | in my book that's the passive aggressive version of rejecting a topic | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | (or if we had anybody who could actually answer, but that's veskuh and jaymzz's job to pull the right people for the topics) | 12:58 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: is here: https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/?sort=latest#sort-top | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i see | 12:58 |
| Venemo | tbr: sometimes the answers are quite meaningless indeed | 12:58 |
| tbr | I'm not saying they will fail at it now, after all a lot has changed recently. I think though, the community meetings will be a good measure if jolla cares and wants involvement.. | 13:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: looks like a veskuh or w00t topic | 13:00 |
| Venemo | tbr: what has changed recently? I haven't seen any changes. | 13:01 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: yep, sounds like they might be the ones | 13:01 |
| tbr | Venemo: 75% of staff were fired and after recovery some positions were shuffled and some new people showed up | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | well a large portion of people aren't with the company anymore, new community manager, company has money again compared to most of last quarter in december.. | 13:01 |
| Venemo | tbr: 75%? that is a LOT | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | fired/cancelled contracts/left | 13:02 |
| tbr | that's a guesstimate. probably somewhere in the range 60-80% | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | not an incorrect guesstimate | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | it was not pretty | 13:02 |
| tbr | yes, shorthand for "been told the company might not make it and disappeared one way or the other" | 13:02 |
| Venemo | I didn't know it was this bad | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | that said, the company is actually functioning at the moment and producing code | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | and doing releases (after difficulties with call functionality.. | 13:03 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, though it was "just" 50% | 13:03 |
| M4rtinK | not that it matters much in this case... | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | and hiring people | 13:03 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: "public releases or gtfo" ;-) | 13:04 |
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| M4rtinK | I think sometimes even a "we will never do it" or "not sooner than in a year or two" | 13:04 |
| M4rtinK | would be better than the non-answers | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: yeah.. | 13:05 |
| Venemo | what public releases? all I have here is some buggy stuff that was released months ago | 13:05 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: welcome to corporate reality, where people are so scared and need to cover their ass and might not be allowed to say anything this way or the other, etc | 13:05 |
| M4rtinK | at least you know you should rewrite it/do your own solution after all | 13:05 |
| M4rtinK | (or don't bother with the platform ;-) ) | 13:05 |
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| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: or 'you have no idea what you're doing next month' | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:06 |
| M4rtinK | tbr: by any measure Jolla has far too few people to use this excuse :) | 13:06 |
| Venemo | meh | 13:06 |
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| tbr | M4rtinK: [generalized statement] you'd be surprised! | 13:08 |
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| M4rtinK | it is not a glorious #unlike startup ? ;-) | 13:08 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: the #unlike thing was relegated to "PR language" shortly after the SbJ launch *IMHO* | 13:09 |
| M4rtinK | in any case I have actually seen some improvements on the meetings recently | 13:09 |
| mornfall | so something is going on? how about all those active exploits? | 13:10 |
| M4rtinK | eq. telling that the splitscreen feature is unlikely to be done this year | 13:10 |
| tbr | mornfall: we're all DOOOOOOOOMED! | 13:10 |
| mornfall | if jolla wasn't so obscure we would have been all pwned by now... | 13:10 |
| M4rtinK | or even with the paid apps situation - that no one is working on that currently (at least IIRC) | 13:10 |
| M4rtinK | it still kinda sucks if things like that qualify as improvements though ;-) | 13:11 |
| tbr | I honestly never understood the obsession of people with the "paid apps" topic | 13:11 |
| M4rtinK | tbr: well, they seem to care | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | people have already moved on to freemium? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:11 |
| tbr | If you really want to, then there are n+1 ways to do it, e.g. as IAP | 13:11 |
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| M4rtinK | I can kinda understand developers not wanting to maintain their own solutions | 13:12 |
| tbr | the only platform where paid apps seem to be a thing is iOS and that's a heavily walled and controlled garden | 13:12 |
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| M4rtinK | also users are much more likely to pay for something if it is easy | 13:13 |
| M4rtinK | eq. set it up once per device/pay from phone bill | 13:13 |
| tbr | how hard is a paypal button in the app? | 13:13 |
| M4rtinK | vs. setting up once per app | 13:13 |
| M4rtinK | same thing with donations | 13:13 |
| tbr | carrier invoicing is really hard and expensive, you need to be massive to do that | 13:14 |
| tbr | nokia was IIRC the most far reaching with that | 13:14 |
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| tbr | I don't think it's reasonable to demand such a massive thing as app payment from a walking wounded company | 13:15 |
| M4rtinK | sure, in the current situation | 13:16 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: the disappointing thing about the stuff is that all of those were promised for 2014 | 13:16 |
| M4rtinK | but it was not always that bad | 13:16 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo: exactly | 13:16 |
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| tbr | too bad we live now, not a year ago, where we could still have false hopes. SCNR | 13:16 |
| Venemo | I mean, that's OK that it wasn't implemented in a timely manner, but come on... 2 years late... | 13:17 |
| M4rtinK | all the feature requests (and bug reports!) dating back to 2013 are pretty depressing | 13:17 |
| M4rtinK | and I mean those with many votes | 13:17 |
| M4rtinK | not some random ones | 13:17 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: actually, I couldn't show you even one bug that I reported since 2014 that was fixed, even though most of them seem easyfixes and/or one-liners | 13:17 |
| tbr | Venemo: btw, at least it used to be that people added their topics to the question itself, not as an answer | 13:17 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo: I'm afraid is it pretty much same here | 13:18 |
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| M4rtinK | Venemo: and many of them would indeed be on liner - if the code was open & patches were accepted | 13:18 |
| Venemo | actually, many people made patches regardless, like coderus | 13:20 |
| Venemo | and nothing was accepted | 13:20 |
| * Stskeeps calls it a day, | 13:21 | |
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| * tbr hands Stskeeps some fresh homemade sima, cheers! | 13:21 | |
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| M4rtinK | Venemo: yeah - its really an unfortunate situation - so much lost potential... | 13:22 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo: and that's different than "we want you to code this ASAP" | 13:22 |
| Venemo | yeah, well | 13:22 |
| Venemo | we'll get bored of it eventually and move on to some other platform | 13:23 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo: if people are giving you patches that fix bugs and add features for free and you still fail to accept them then something is very wrong | 13:23 |
| M4rtinK | (sure, you need to review the contributions and can't accept everything but still) | 13:24 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK +1 | 13:24 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: maybe you should make your own proposal to that community meeting thing, about this question? | 13:24 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: I would, but people already hate me for always pointing out these things | 13:25 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo: what do you mean ? | 13:25 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: I'm the guy who always brings up these issues on various channels | 13:26 |
| M4rtinK | well, I already added a "how can people help?" topic during peak crisis time - only for it to be totally ignored :) | 13:26 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: maybe this is the time to try again :) | 13:26 |
| M4rtinK | http://www.merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-12-17-14.30.html | 13:27 |
| pog | hello, I just created accidentually a folder. I found in google the way to create a folder. | 13:28 |
| pog | How I can move out the icons from the folder? how I can delete the folder again? | 13:28 |
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| kimmoli | pog: open folder | 13:29 |
| kimmoli | pog: drag one icon to bottom of screen. when you have one left, folder is automatically removed | 13:29 |
| pog | if I open folder I see the icons | 13:29 |
| pog | ok thanks, I'll try that. | 13:30 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: point 9? | 13:32 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo: yep | 13:34 |
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| Venemo | M4rtinK: not many meaningful answers there | 13:35 |
| kimmoli | atleast the pootle is again progressing | 13:35 |
| M4rtinK | yeah - but that's about the only thing | 13:36 |
| M4rtinK | not to mention that's something that one would expect from the day one | 13:36 |
| M4rtinK | not 3 years later | 13:36 |
| M4rtinK | did the community keyboard contributions go anywhere ? | 13:37 |
| M4rtinK | haven't heard about that in a while | 13:37 |
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| kimmoli | ़ | 13:38 |
| phlixi_o | rigo: i have a black 64gb n9 and a blue 16gb n9. both currently used as clock :-) let me know if you want one | 13:39 |
| Venemo | awww | 13:42 |
| Venemo | I managed to screw up my N9 when I tried to fix its USB connector | 13:42 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: yeah... well, whatever | 13:44 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: still, the answer for eg. paid apps that nobody's working on it _now_ still doesn't answer why it wasn't released _in q3 2014_ when it was promised | 13:45 |
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| rigo | phlixi_o: thanks, I try to have the screen repaired. If that fails I'll come back to you. My preferred route is to get a jolla, if they still would sell me one | 14:15 |
| phlixi_o | :) | 14:15 |
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| phlixi_o | Venemo: that one? https://stellatech.com/nokia-n9-00-micro-usb-connector,a,en,811573.html ...its out of stock there, but maybe "Partnumber: 5400494" helps you find the part else where... | 14:20 |
| Venemo | phlixi_o: I fixed that. the problem is that I tore one of the ribbon cables when I tried to reassemble it | 14:21 |
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| phlixi_o | https://stellatech.com/nokia-n9-00-sensor-flex-cable,a,en,811566.html | 14:22 |
| Venemo | phlixi_o: thanks for the link | 14:23 |
| Venemo | to be honest, I decided not to spend further money / effort on the N9 | 14:23 |
| Venemo | I wouldn't use it really anymore anyway | 14:23 |
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| phlixi_o | its a nice clock :D | 14:27 |
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| phlixi_o | Venemo: thought experiment: asume you developed a mobile phone and sold lets say 50000 pieces. Now you create a market place for apps for that. Now you look at the competitors and see, the average user there paid for 0.4 apps an amount of 1.37 EUR. Now you think about implementing payment in your store. conclusion: this is WAY to expensive to implement... | 14:27 |
| phlixi_o | ...i asume(!) thats what might have had happened at jolla back then | 14:27 |
| phlixi_o | of course figures are wild guesses, but you get the idea | 14:28 |
| M4rtinK | well | 14:28 |
| Venemo | the main problem is unclear communication, and meaningless excuses | 14:28 |
| Venemo | they could've said that in 2014 that they changed their mind, that that would've been okay | 14:28 |
| M4rtinK | maybe you would have sold more if there was a marketplace, so that people could buy paid apps ? | 14:28 |
| M4rtinK | and commercial developers could sell them | 14:29 |
| Venemo | sweeping it under the rug and shutting up about it was not okay | 14:29 |
| M4rtinK | +1 | 14:29 |
| M4rtinK | I myself don't really care about that but I see many people caring deeply | 14:29 |
| phlixi_o | M4rtinK: the figures might be wild guesses, but if you dig into it, they are actually not SO WILD. you will see pretty fast, that you have to multiply sales of devices... | 14:29 |
| M4rtinK | that's why I'm raising the issue | 14:29 |
| M4rtinK | and yet again - something like "we will *never* support paid apps" would actually help here | 14:30 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO | 14:30 |
| M4rtinK | so that people know they have to cook their own (possibly shared) solution | 14:31 |
| phlixi_o | i also rmember the store for n900 and n9, i bet they made nearly no sales | 14:31 |
| M4rtinK | eq. the uncertainty is worse than refusal | 14:31 |
| M4rtinK | well | 14:31 |
| phlixi_o | that would scare potential customers away, wouldnt it? | 14:31 |
| M4rtinK | the N900 store maybe | 14:31 |
| Venemo | actually, puzzle master brought me a bit of money from the N9. not much, but it did | 14:31 |
| phlixi_o | i am not saying it is nice to do so | 14:31 |
| M4rtinK | N9 Ovi store had a lot of traffic | 14:31 |
| M4rtinK | I had around 30k downloads for Mieru (free) for example | 14:32 |
| phlixi_o | Venemo: you dont have to tell if you do not like, but was it multiple thousands of dollars? | 14:32 |
| M4rtinK | being a niche offline comics/manga reader | 14:32 |
| M4rtinK | its quite a big number | 14:32 |
| Venemo | phlixi_o: like I said, it wasn't much, so no it wasn't multiple thousands of dollars | 14:33 |
| phlixi_o | given that nokia only gets a small pice of that, it needs a lot of apps to pay for the developement of the store... | 14:33 |
| phlixi_o | got* | 14:33 |
| M4rtinK | well, you don't get money just from the store cut | 14:34 |
| phlixi_o | againh, i do not think its nice or correct to say "we are working on this" and actually implementing a flatterbutton (i think better than nothing) after a year or two and do nothing more, - but i think i understand why there is no paid apps support | 14:34 |
| M4rtinK | but also from people using your platform (and thus buying your or licensees device) | 14:34 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi_: even the flatter button could be done better | 14:35 |
| Venemo | like I said, I don't have a problem with missing paid apps support | 14:35 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi_: it basically opens flattr in browser | 14:35 |
| phlixi_o | international payment is pain in the a** and brings tons of problems | 14:35 |
| Venemo | I have a problem with bad communication | 14:35 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi_: it should work with an account in the account manager | 14:35 |
| Venemo | paid apps support is just one example of a miscommunicated feature | 14:35 |
| Venemo | one other example is BTLE | 14:35 |
| M4rtinK | that way it would not be just a novelty | 14:35 |
| Venemo | and I could go on | 14:35 |
| phlixi_o | so many problems, so few resources :D | 14:36 |
| M4rtinK | well | 14:36 |
| M4rtinK | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:votes-desc/page:1/ | 14:36 |
| M4rtinK | no need to name them all separately :) | 14:36 |
| Venemo | :P | 14:37 |
| Venemo | I'm talking about ones that were actually promised | 14:37 |
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| M4rtinK | doing it together & cocreation, eh ? :P | 14:39 |
| Venemo | eh! | 14:40 |
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| poacheR | hello, I'm the proud owner of a new Jolla phone, just getting to know the system ... I was wondering if there is a way to toggle covers on/off. | 15:57 |
| poacheR | As in, hide the cover of a running app. Kind of to simulate it running on the background. | 15:58 |
| poacheR | Or at the very least, run the instance without a cover | 15:58 |
| poacheR | together.jolla.com has a question on this but it is old and unanswered | 15:59 |
| poacheR | my specific issue is, I want to run the hangish up so that I get hangouts notifications, but I don't necessarily want it taking space on my home screen 24/7 | 16:00 |
| poacheR | (I've added a google account and enabled IM, but for some reason the messaging app doesn't give me notifications for the hangouts messages, so I'm relying on the Hangish app for those) | 16:00 |
| poacheR | but, in general, I would love to have the ability to toggle visible / hidden mode for a cover | 16:01 |
| poacheR | any ideas / anyone with the same issue? | 16:01 |
| raa700 | contact the program author and ask him why doesn't he use background service? | 16:02 |
| merlin1991 | The twitter feed refuses to load avatars lately, known problem? | 16:02 |
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| Lieke | avatars load fine for me | 16:03 |
| poacheR | raa700: I did think of that for the specific app, but I'm interest in this question in general ... it seems odd to me that this question hasn't been asked more! | 16:06 |
| poacheR | (let alone answered in the forums!) | 16:06 |
| poacheR | seems to me that would be one of the first things people would ask for! i.e. minimizing things out of view. | 16:06 |
| poacheR | covers are an amazing concept, but I find it weird that they're imposed on the user rather than offered as a choice. | 16:07 |
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| Venemo | poacheR: short answer: no. the cover is there to indicate to you that the app is running in the background. | 16:36 |
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| M4rtinK | still a potentially interesting idea | 16:55 |
| M4rtinK | I can imagine some sort of "running app drawer" or miniaturized covers/icons of running apps | 16:56 |
| M4rtinK | especially on devices with a lot of RAM | 16:56 |
| M4rtinK | or for many simple apps | 16:56 |
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| pdanek | Hmm, it seems Jolla still considers itself as a startup company. | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | still is :P | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Startup_company#/media/File:VentureTimeline.png | 17:04 |
| pdanek | oh, I thought Jolla isn't in the startup category anymore | 17:05 |
| pdanek | so I was wrong | 17:05 |
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| pdanek | I see Jolla is hiring now. | 17:09 |
| pdanek | Is the team actually growing again? | 17:09 |
| pdanek | Are they going to reach the development speed they had 1 year ago any time soon? | 17:09 |
| pdanek | If not, how can they keep up with the market? | 17:09 |
| coderus | poacheR: hangish should be rewritten to have daemon running without gui in background, not sailfishos itself | 17:09 |
| coderus | it's very easy to ddo for developer | 17:09 |
| pdanek | Because things seem to be dead now | 17:10 |
| pdanek | the roadmap is still with last update from September: https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ | 17:10 |
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| Venemo | pdanek: I don't think you can predict that, but at least hiring is a good sign | 17:13 |
| ggabriel | pdanek: maybe suggest updating roadmap at community meeting? that hasn't been updated for a while but nobody seems to be too concerned about that | 17:14 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: I am | 17:14 |
| Nicd- | that roadmap is sad :( | 17:15 |
| ggabriel | I don't remember it being brought up in meetings tbh | 17:15 |
| Nicd- | they should at least hide it | 17:15 |
| ggabriel | maybe the answer will be "we don't have time just yet" but it's worth a shot if people are interested | 17:15 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: +1 | 17:15 |
| Venemo | hehe | 17:15 |
| pdanek | I agree with Nicd, they should then at least hide it and not pretending they are "open community", when they are not so much. :) | 17:16 |
| pdanek | Updated roadmap would be step #1 for driving open community culture | 17:16 |
| ggabriel | I can guess what's going on, but it's just a guess... and it's that things are busy with intex | 17:16 |
| ggabriel | once the intex is out, there should be more bandwidth for other stuff | 17:17 |
| Nicd- | haha, we have been hoping for that for a year now | 17:17 |
| Nicd- | "once the intex comes out the money will come rolling in" | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | well, it isn't out yet, is it? | 17:17 |
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| ggabriel | oh, I'm not saying money will roll in | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | just focus can be elsewhere | 17:17 |
| * ggabriel gone | 17:18 | |
| pdanek | money rolling in? from 100 eur cheap Intex phones? | 17:20 |
| pdanek | or you mean "new investor" money? | 17:20 |
| Venemo | who knows | 17:21 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC roadmap has been discussed | 17:21 |
| M4rtinK | on one of the recent meetings | 17:22 |
| M4rtinK | not sure if "the whole roadmap is outdated" or some specific items though | 17:22 |
| coderus | afaik investors are pretty same, just things didnt started yet | 17:23 |
| nh1402 | I believe they said they are busy with actual implementation of software rather than writing a roadmap of what they're doing | 17:26 |
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| pdanek | nh1402: that roadmap update is probably 1 hour job for 1 person? | 17:29 |
| pdanek | I don't take that as an excuse | 17:29 |
| pdanek | I work on a lot of projects and I can't reply to my project manager: sorry, I can't give you an update of what I'm doing, because I'm busy with what I'm doing | 17:29 |
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| pdanek | their target should be customer | 17:29 |
| pdanek | they claim to be open community company | 17:30 |
| pdanek | so "being busy" and not having 1 free hour since September 2015, is... not an excuse | 17:30 |
| Venemo | nh1402: that's the most ridiculous excuse I've ever heard in my entire life | 17:32 |
| nh1402 | well it's lose lose, if they do a roadmap you'll complain about bugs, if they fix bugs you'll complain about not knowing what they're doing | 17:34 |
| pdanek | nh1402: how many bugs can they fix in the same time period as doing at least single update in their roadmap since last 7 months? | 17:35 |
| pdanek | 1/10 of a bug at max? :D | 17:36 |
| nh1402 | losing train of thought can cost you hours of work time | 17:36 |
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| pdanek | surely they all have one 7-month long uninterrupted train of thought lol | 17:37 |
| phlixi_ | i am convinced you highly underestimate the big number of "things that only take one hour" are to do... | 17:37 |
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| phlixi_ | (and a lot of things that look like "will only take 10 minutes" actually take 45 | 17:37 |
| pdanek | ok so at least someone can take 5 minutes of their time and get rid of that roadmap webpage :) | 17:38 |
| pdanek | then Sailfish will not look as project which died long ago | 17:38 |
| pdanek | but only as "closed door" project | 17:39 |
| pdanek | better closed than dead | 17:39 |
| M4rtinK | well, there have been quite a few "don't have a single hour for this in a year things" | 17:41 |
| M4rtinK | like the reference docs being offline for months | 17:42 |
| M4rtinK | without any reason being ever mentioned | 17:42 |
| M4rtinK | or typos/errors in docs reported years ago and never fixed | 17:42 |
| M4rtinK | not to mention stores always kinda looking like no one really worked on it since launch | 17:43 |
| M4rtinK | it might be just me but work prioritization kinda feels wrong/weird | 17:45 |
| Venemo | actually | 17:47 |
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| Venemo | I don't see any work done on any apps | 17:47 |
| Venemo | for instance, media app is same old crap as it was since day one | 17:48 |
| ro | anyone got any recommendations on tablet covers other than the lastu and mapgrabbag options that jolla suggests? | 17:48 |
| Venemo | ro: I got a golla pouch that fits well | 17:48 |
| phlixi_ | and, just to give you a differnt poiint of view pdanek, i do not consider the roadmap as important. for sure not "this is the most important thing if you are an open etc etc..." | 17:48 |
| ro | I was hoping for a flip case... to take advantage of the magnet on/off feature in the settings | 17:49 |
| pdanek | hm | 17:49 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo: and to make it worse the apps are closed source and patches are not accepted | 17:50 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo: yay! :P | 17:50 |
| phlixi_ | in the end i think they have VERY limited resourses, and it would cause frustration because half of the stuff "promised" would not be implemented in thime (as usual with roadmaps) | 17:51 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK +1 +1 | 17:51 |
| Nicd- | phlixi_: they should just hide it | 17:51 |
| Nicd- | that takes 15 minutes max | 17:52 |
| phlixi_ | thats by the way the same reason why i think media app, email client etc, wont see any improvements soon. they are basic apps that work, thats enough, there are 10000 more things to do | 17:52 |
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| phlixi_ | (and i would love to see some work on email app for example) | 17:52 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi_: think about gallery | 17:52 |
| phlixi_ | same thing, it displayes photos you take, very basic.. | 17:52 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi_: all pictures on device mixing with photos - yaay! | 17:53 |
| Venemo | that roadmap is just part of the (bad) communication that we talked about earlier | 17:53 |
| phlixi_ | exactly | 17:53 |
| Venemo | an communication is a very important part of how customers percieve a company | 17:53 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi_: gallery is pretty much unusable for me due to that | 17:53 |
| phlixi_ | and i learned to not bother about that anymore, they have to much things to do... | 17:53 |
| Venemo | let's hope the new community manager will do better | 17:53 |
| Venemo | much things, like what? | 17:54 |
| phlixi_ | M4rtinK then help your self and put some this-is-not-a-media-folder thingies in there? | 17:54 |
| phlixi_ | (i asume you could do such thing, i did this for audio, i dont care about pictures) | 17:54 |
| Venemo | anyway | 17:54 |
| M4rtinK | well, it is kinda off-topic but the term "community manager" is kinda unfortunate | 17:54 |
| M4rtinK | good lack managing a community... | 17:54 |
| Venemo | I get the feeling that eventually, we just need to "man up" with Nemo and do all of this ourselves the right way | 17:55 |
| M4rtinK | most project use community coordinator/liaison these days to avoid these connotations | 17:55 |
| phlixi_ | Venemo: i think currently to get the intex thing running, or beginning of the year mwc etc | 17:55 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: that's how this job is called in many places | 17:55 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi_: you men manually hunt down all image files on the device so that I can actually see my photos ? ;-) | 17:56 |
| nh1402 | i think the limited resources that they do have, have been working with Intex, Turing, and Mi-phone to create Sailfish images ready for those devices | 17:56 |
| Venemo | phlixi_: so why not write a blogpost talking about all that great and interesting stuff that is actually coming? instead, there have not been any relevant news in jolla land since last year | 17:56 |
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| M4rtinK | phlixi_: wouldn't a simple switch in the app between photos/all other images be a better choice ? ;) | 17:56 |
| phlixi_ | Venemo since last year they are barly surviving | 17:56 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: solution is simple: don't keep your porn on the device, then you don't need to be ashamed of using the gallery app | 17:56 |
| Venemo | phlixi_: I know | 17:56 |
| phlixi_ | M4rtinK someone would have to implement this... ^^ | 17:57 |
| Nicd- | personally I heard that they're still having trouble paying their employees, which is strange since they're also hiring new poepl | 17:57 |
| Nicd- | people* | 17:57 |
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| M4rtinK | phlixi_: I would be willing to do that if they let me :) | 17:57 |
| Venemo | "we're hiring" != "we're gonna pay you" | 17:57 |
| phlixi_ | plus, i do not know what you did there, but in my gallery app are just a fe pics i took with the phone | 17:57 |
| Lieke | my gallery is filled with album covers | 17:57 |
| Venemo | phlixi_: email attachments that you downloaded are there too, and you can't even delete those due to an age-old bug | 17:58 |
| M4rtinK | even with my limited C++ skills (would be probably mostly QML though) | 17:58 |
| Nicd- | phlixi_: it's the same problem as with music: my media app is full of ringtones | 17:58 |
| Nicd- | and I can't tell it not to show the ringtones | 17:58 |
| M4rtinK | tracker has all the data needed for filtering | 17:58 |
| pdanek | I think people who were inside the project know best where is the project leading to. | 17:58 |
| nh1402 | port VLC to Sailfish, and fix all your media playback related problems | 17:58 |
| phlixi_ | Nicd- have you tried to put that special file into your ringtone folder? | 17:58 |
| pdanek | And if the people think it still has big chances. | 17:58 |
| M4rtinK | its the gallery/media player that can't be bothered to make use of them | 17:58 |
| Nicd- | what file? | 17:58 |
| pdanek | Those people would come back to their old positions, wouldn't they? | 17:59 |
| Venemo | some of them are fed up with the situation and moved on, I would guess | 17:59 |
| phlixi_ | Nicd- i have a file ".nomedia" in my podcast download folder => podcasts are no longer in media app | 18:00 |
| phlixi_ | i guess that or something similar can also be done for the images (and of course for ringtones) | 18:00 |
| nh1402 | krnylng ported a media player which I can't remember the name of, mplayer perhaps. | 18:00 |
| Nicd- | phlixi_: and this is documented where? :D | 18:01 |
| phlixi_ | Nicd- the internet | 18:01 |
| phlixi_ | :D | 18:01 |
| phlixi_ | but i am sure you find it on tjc | 18:01 |
| coderus | Nicd-: in TJC i seen that trick | 18:01 |
| phlixi_ | and is probably actually documented at tracker | 18:02 |
| Nicd- | I shouldn't be required to. if I wasn't a nerd I would have probably never heard about TJC :P | 18:02 |
| coderus | Nicd-: then you never heard about file managers and files as well | 18:02 |
| phlixi_ | of course it shouldnt be required... but thats the world we live in. unfortunately it is not perfect... that sway i always mean if we debate about "how mature" sailfish is compared to android/ios (and then i am always told that an iphone can not send files via bluetooth -.- ) | 18:03 |
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| phlixi_ | that is what* not "way"... | 18:03 |
| M4rtinK | Jolla can send only some files over bluetooth :) | 18:03 |
| M4rtinK | so not much better | 18:03 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC images and documents | 18:04 |
| phlixi_ | all files i tried so far worked, thats not the point was trying to make^^ | 18:04 |
| M4rtinK | https://together.jolla.com/question/1302/bluetooth-file-transfer-for-all-file-types/ | 18:04 |
| phlixi_ | especially contacts works :-) | 18:04 |
| phlixi_ | Nicd- if you wherent a nerd, you probably never heard of jolla anyways :D | 18:05 |
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| Nicd- | phlixi_: a lot of people did in Finland. my mother wanted a Jolla too, but she never got one (and I'm glad she didn't) | 18:07 |
| phlixi_ | i can not estimate the visibility in finland, but everywhere else practically no one even knows something different than samsung and apple exists (ok, maybe a little bit exaggerating now) | 18:08 |
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| Nicd- | thing is, Jolla made it clear they are not just a nerd phone. but then the software never reflected that | 18:09 |
| phlixi_ | they wish... | 18:09 |
| Venemo | my own friends have been asking me about the jolla, but I couldn't with good conscience recommend it to them | 18:09 |
| phlixi_ | Venemo: and you are sure those are not nerds? | 18:11 |
| Venemo | some of them were, some not | 18:11 |
| phlixi_ | fin? | 18:11 |
| Venemo | pardon? | 18:11 |
| Venemo | fin what? | 18:11 |
| phlixi_ | finnish guys? | 18:12 |
| Venemo | sorry, I don't live in Finland | 18:12 |
| phlixi_ | and they came to you and asked you "about that jolla phone"? | 18:12 |
| phlixi_ | that would highly surprise me | 18:13 |
| phlixi_ | i wonder how they heard of it, even big tech gadged sites like the verge never covered them (others do, engadged etc), its not sold in a single store (outside finland) how did they ever heard of it... | 18:14 |
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| Venemo | phlixi_: they saw it in my hand, that's how they heard of it | 18:16 |
| phlixi_ | ok, that does not count^^ | 18:16 |
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| Venemo | just sayin | 18:16 |
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| Venemo | sorry, gotta rush off but I'll be online on the jolla | 18:17 |
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| phlixi_ | hf :-) | 18:17 |
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| Venemo_j | :) | 18:22 |
| Venemo_j | just had enough of the lab and now heading home | 18:22 |
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